Random Politics & Religion #00

Which, if we distract our reptillian brain for long enough, is a pretty good lesson to learn with or without a Holy Book.

Perhaps I'm out of touch with my religious teachings since I haven't been to a church since when I was in Sunday School. It's always been my understanding that there are some people who are forgiving with things, which is not a bad thing, forgiveness can help someones healing process.

Then there are those who are strictly by the "book" persay, and will hold anything and everything against a person. (Westboro Baptist Church for example) I guess it really depends on that individual on whether or not they want to be forgiving of certain things.

The wishy washy attitudes of some religions are part of the reason I tend not to associate with a religion, I like to think I'm a spiritual person who believes in a little bit of everything from a few different religions.

Not so much a "church" as a "cult of hate and lucrative lawsuits".

American Biblical literalism is pretty well derided worldwide by everyone who isn't an American Bible literalist.

Good point. Bad example lol.

I'll just stick to the church for ex porn stars/porn addicts.

http://xxxchurch.com/

And gay-bashing preachers who work the night shift on Grindr, apparently.

I think that analogy is horrible for the girls involved here. Or any child victims.

I'm more concerned that the counselling focused on the super important aspect that it wasn't her fault versus encouraging forgivness or not.

Frankly, counselling is about how the victim feels and not the person who hurt and abused them.

Most counselling (for all types of abuse) encourages some type of forgiveness or "letting go" in later stages in order to create a healthy lifestyle for the victim.

Well what better place to find vulnerable young women then a recovering porn star/addict ?

Hypocrisy is definitely present in a lot of religions, but it is by no means held as a monopoly by them. Still, no person should ever be ridiculed for forgiving someone, regardless of the offense. Forgiveness and justification are not the same thing.

I agree that you should not encourage to hang on to hatred or focus on the negatvie but to move on as best she can and live her life to the fullest. On the same hand though you shouldn't really pressure anyone in a situation like that to forgive either.

People need to find their own way to cope with traumatic events whether its to forgive or not that's up to them. Other than counseling from professionals to help someone cope we should really have no say in it either way.

However, what you need to understand is that certain things click in peoples heads as unforgivable. People hear child molester and its hard to imagine how you can forgive someone that dons that moniker

I don't see what my analogy has to do with what you said. It was focused more on Terraka's post that suggested that she was wrong to forgive. Forgiveness is a huge part of "letting go".

well it's something I don't think we're truly capabale of determining... on the mortal coil its all based on our faith in other people. Do we put our trust in you again?

God has that omnipotence thing going for him.

Who here is "ridiculing" these girls because they forgave him?

We still don't know if that forgiveness was sincere or simply duty-bound, given their religion.

I refuse to forgive Hillary...score one for the child predators !

just reminded me of this

Yeah...I get why people are upset with her, it's just that their anger is misplaced, really. Consider that for a second, if any of you here are angry at her.

You're being angry at her for letting go of a negative event and moving on with her life, and not letting it trouble her.

Again, I understand the anger, because we as observors do not want to just let a terrible thing be forgotten or see it go unpunished. But that's not really what she's doing or advocating. She's saying that what's past is past, that her brother has -- in her eyes, at least -- paid whatever debt was due, and that it's something they both need to put behind them.

To be fair... I don't think the person who said that they don't know how she could forgive the one who wronged her was ridiculing her as much as they're more just astounded by that type of reaction or anyone being able to forgive someone for that.

Fair enough. If she was forced, then it's not sincere. If it's not sincere, it's not forgiveness. At that point the fault would lie with her parents/church/whoever for using her as a PR tool.


If that's the case, then I misunderstood.

Whether it's sincere or duty bound we have to accept it at face value. Putting someone through more stress because we don't fully accept the reasoning behind it isn't doing them any favors.

Or if they were raised in such a way that the forgiveness was given with sincerity because they were raised to truly believe that what their religion has bound them to is what is right.

Again, I get the cynicism here. And obviously I'm no fan of their particular faith and its treatment of...well, anything, really. Men, women, whatever.

I dunno. I've seen anger directed at her though. Not necessarily here, but just in the handful of articles I've read on the subject, and that seems really unfair to a victim, to feel angry with them for moving on. For whatever reason. It's...victimizing someone who was already a victim, really, because they don't feel how you think they should. How *** up is that?

Going with what Ramyrez said previously, though, shoving cameras and microphones in the face of people who are trying to move on isn't helping anyone. As messed up as the whole situation is, the fact must be acknowledged that the only reason we're even talking about it is because it happened to a reality TV family. There are far worse things going on in our own towns on a much more regular basis.

Yeah. Like, if I may be perfectly blunt...

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...so many *** people watching reality television.

(I didn't even know who these *** people were until this little fiasco came to light. I knew of the show, but had no idea about the specifics until this.)

A sad, sad truth.

Reality TV isn't so bad ever heard of a show called 2 Broke Girls...

Since there are mods here, can I officially request that any mention of that show be against forum rules?

What's really strange is trying to put yourself in the parents' shoes with this entire debacle. I'm sure we can all admit, that has to be a mindfuck of a situation. Then again, I'll wager a bet that most of us wouldn't actively seclude our kids, which may be the catalyst for all of this.

Show of hands, suburban-bred, come-home-when-the-street-lights-are-on, public school kids. LOL!

From what I read, which could be a bunch of internet hooey, they discipline their boys for jackin' it. What do you do in that kind of environment?

Kinsey would like a word with these folks.

Everyone complains about reality TV yet there are some actually entertaining "reality TV shows". I know it is hard to believe but it is true !

There are far too many terrible comedy and dramas on TV for me to list.

It definitely adds gasoline to the fire that they are public figures and it's also because they are publicly outspoken on controversial topics. You'll hear a lot of people question how they can preach to others if inside their own family they have this going on. While that holds some merit it doesn't naturally discredit everything they do.

Idk... child molestation is up there at the top of the ranks for heinous things going on in our neighborhoods. anything involving kids is a pretty big deal. even criminals take specific offense in the prison system to be unkind to child abusers....

If some guy is molesting little kids in the neighborhood should we just say oh well there are worse crimes being committed leave that guy alone? I'm not saying we should specifically focus on this case anymore but making the argument that there is something worse going on over there so we shouldn't give this one that much attention is just a crappy argument.

The big issue is not further victimizing the victims. The perpetrator though was not a victim. The kids names should never have been brought into this but the duggar kid who did it is another thing in itself.

All that show is is a bunch of one liners... and there's a horse and that mom from American Pie.