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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-15 13:14:33  
It remains to be seen if his sexual orientation is relevant to the story.

You're declaration that it doesn't is nothing more than a reflection of your ideology, not reality.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-15 13:15:11  
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Texas bill to hinder gay marriage dies in statehouse

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Republican-backed legislation to put new blockades on same-sex marriage in Texas died in the statehouse on Friday after failing to win approval by a midnight deadline amid stalling tactics by the Democratic minority.

The bill, called the "Preservation of Sovereignty and Marriage Act," would block clerk's offices in the state's 254 counties from using tax money to issue licenses for same-sex weddings in the most-populous Republican-controlled U.S. state.

Socially conservative backers have said the measure allows the state to exert its rights regarding marriage. The bill's demise comes as the U.S. Supreme Court is expected to decide next month whether same-sex marriage will be legal nationwide.

Its sponsor, Republican Cecil Bell, told reporters he was angry at the way it was defeated and will still push for the rights of Texas to block same-sex marriage.

"I don’t believe that standing up for sovereignty is a partisan issue," he was quoted as saying by the Dallas Morning News.

Critics applauded the move that halted what they said was a deplorable and divisive bill.

"Bad actors will continue to push their discrimination legislation, including as amendments to other bills, until the final gavel. So we’re not letting our guard down now," said Kathy Miller, president, of the left-leaning advocacy group Texas Freedom Network.

About a decade ago, Texas voters approved a state constitutional amendment that only allows marriage between a man and a woman. Current Republican leaders have said they will fight to enforce the ban on same-sex marriage.

The bi-annual Texas legislative session ends in about two weeks. All bills, except the budget, that did not pass in the Texas House of Representatives before Friday are not allowed to proceed.

Before gay marriage became legal in the liberal northeastern state of Massachusetts in 2004, it was not permitted in any state. Now it is legal in 37 states and Washington.

So, yay Texas?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-15 13:16:36  
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Taking AMTRAK is risky behavior?

Next up: Germanwings co-pilots great grandfather might have been 23.3% gay. It didn't contributed to his descendants crippling depression leading to a mass suicide into a mountainside but *** you, i felt like saying it anyway.

I took an Amtrack once, for the equivalent of a 3 hour drive. It only took us 11 hours :D
Never once took a train in the US. The public transportation systems here suck worse than Lewinsky at Bill's lodge.

Until they actually implement a working system (aka Japanese public transportation system), I don't think I will ever use PTS here.
Ya America's infrastructure sucks in more than one department unfortunately. Have you ever been on Italies train system? Fastest way between cities. It's harder here though, the US has a ton of land and isn't densely populated nearly as much so it's hard to justify the costs of a huge public transportation system going over mostly corn fields etc.
Never been to Italy before in my life, but I have traveled around Europe in their train system before. It isn't bad, and it's cheaper than flying.

But yeah, because flying is so much faster and doesn't cost that much more, why would anyone use the train anyway? Unless it's to move a lot of items around that is, and even then, 18 wheeler are better for that too.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-15 13:16:38  
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It remains to be seen if his sexual orientation is relevant to the story.

You're declaration that it doesn't is nothing more than a reflection of your ideology, not reality.
So, you are doubling down on the "He crashed a train because he was gay" concept?
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-15 13:16:43  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
So, yay Texas?

Well, it's a start.

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amid stalling tactics by the Democratic minority.

It didn't necessarily "fail", it was just cockblocked, ne?

But still.

I just don't see who the *** cares at this point or why. Get your nose out of other people's personal lives.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-05-15 13:16:47  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Verda said: »
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Taking AMTRAK is risky behavior?

Next up: Germanwings co-pilots great grandfather might have been 23.3% gay. It didn't contributed to his descendants crippling depression leading to a mass suicide into a mountainside but *** you, i felt like saying it anyway.

I took an Amtrack once, for the equivalent of a 3 hour drive. It only took us 11 hours :D
Never once took a train in the US. The public transportation systems here suck worse than Lewinsky at Bill's lodge.

Until they actually implement a working system (aka Japanese public transportation system), I don't think I will ever use PTS here.

High speed rail is an American pipe dream. At least as a means of getting around vast stretches of the country. Japan is tiny compared to the US, our driving culture is deeply entrenched and for any extended distance, why aren't you flying.

America is *** huuuuuuuuuuuuuge people.

AMTRAK already costs as much as a commuter flight. It's also pretty terrible. I do like trains though, they have a charm to them when you aren't derailing at 100mph.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-15 13:17:58  
Trains are fun.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-15 13:18:24  
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Verda said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Verda said: »
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Taking AMTRAK is risky behavior?

Next up: Germanwings co-pilots great grandfather might have been 23.3% gay. It didn't contributed to his descendants crippling depression leading to a mass suicide into a mountainside but *** you, i felt like saying it anyway.

I took an Amtrack once, for the equivalent of a 3 hour drive. It only took us 11 hours :D
Never once took a train in the US. The public transportation systems here suck worse than Lewinsky at Bill's lodge.

Until they actually implement a working system (aka Japanese public transportation system), I don't think I will ever use PTS here.
Ya America's infrastructure sucks in more than one department unfortunately. Have you ever been on Italies train system? Fastest way between cities. It's harder here though, the US has a ton of land and isn't densely populated nearly as much so it's hard to justify the costs of a huge public transportation system going over mostly corn fields etc.
Never been to Italy before in my life, but I have traveled around Europe in their train system before. It isn't bad, and it's cheaper than flying.

But yeah, because flying is so much faster and doesn't cost that much more, why would anyone use the train anyway? Unless it's to move a lot of items around that is, and even then, 18 wheeler are better for that too.
Phobias? Health?
At least at the last time I checked train prices in the US, it was roughly 2x the price as flying, for some absurd multiple of the duration.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-15 13:19:05  
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
So, yay Texas?

Well, it's a start.

Asura.Kingnobody said: »
amid stalling tactics by the Democratic minority.

It didn't necessarily "fail", it was just cockblocked, ne?

But still.

I just don't see who the *** cares at this point or why. Get your nose out of other people's personal lives.
I just don't like how the religious portion of the right have to toss these bills around like nothing.

Fine, I get that you don't want to be married to a man. That doesn't mean Steve and Scott shouldn't because you don't want to do it.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-15 13:19:33  
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It remains to be seen if his sexual orientation is relevant to the story.

You're declaration that it doesn't is nothing more than a reflection of your ideology, not reality.
So, you are doubling down on the "He crashed a train because he was gay" concept?

You're just not understanding my point. You're either willfully ignorant, or just plain old stupid.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-15 13:20:15  
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America is *** huuuuuuuuuuuuuge people.
No ***!

At least it's fun to drive around the US.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-15 13:20:51  
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Trains are fun.
I love it when it takes 10 hours to go someplace I can drive to in 6.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-15 13:23:12  
House defies Obama veto threat, approves $612B defense bill

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Defying a veto threat from President Obama, the House on Friday passed a $612 billion defense bill in a 269-151 vote.

All but eight Republicans voted in favor, along with 41 Democrats who went against Obama's veto threat and their party leaders, who whipped against it.

Obama has threatened to veto the bill over its circumvention of spending caps.

The bill keeps ceilings on defense spending in place under the 2011 budget deal that introduced sequestration spending limits, but would increase funding to the Pentagon's war fund.
The legislation authorizes roughly $523 billion in base Defense Department spending. Another $90 billion is included in the war fund, formally known as the Overseas Contingency Operations fund.

It includes $38 billion more for the war fund than had been requested by the White House. The extra spending is not offset by spending cuts or tax hikes.

The White House also opposes language in the bill meant to prevent the closing of Guantanamo Bay.

Rep. Adam Smith (Wash.), the top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, warned the budget problems present in the defense bill could lead to a government shutdown.

“All I am saying is we should start now instead of risking another government shutdown, risking another continuing resolution, and get a true budget agreement that actually addresses the Budget Control Act in its entirety, doesn't just find a sort of awkward workaround through the overseas contingency operations just to take care of defense,” Smith said.

He voted against the annual defense bill for the first time in his career.

Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) blasted Democrats for opposing the measure.

"They did so without listing a single serious policy concern, letting politics come before national security," he said. "With all the threats our troops face and the sacrifices they make, Democrats’ opposition to this defense bill is in fact indefensible.”

The Senate is working on its own version of the Defense bill. It is unclear when the upper chamber will take up the $612 billion Senate bill, which is largely similar to the House legislation.
Armed Services Committee Chairman Mac Thornberry (R-Texas) said the defense bill shouldn't be held up due to a budgetary dispute.

“It is a very hard argument to make that we are going to oppose the bill that takes care of our men and women in the military because we want to try to pressure Congress and the president to reach an agreement on spending on other stuff,” Thornberry said.

The massive policy blueprint also encountered opposition from conservative Republicans over a provision that could have paved the way for children of illegal immigrants to one day serve in the armed forces.

The contested language would have established a "sense of" Congress appealing to the Pentagon to review allowing young illegal immigrants possessing work permits through the president’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program to serve in the military.

But immigration hard-liners had threatened to vote against and scuttle the bill over what they described as a slippery slope toward letting illegal immigrants enlist.

The chamber approved an amendment by Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) to eliminate the "sense of" Congress language in a 221-202 vote.

The National Defense Authorization Act of 2016 maintains the current ban against transferring Guantanamo Bay detainees to the U.S. It also prohibits building facilities to house detainees held at Guantanamo on American soil.

Members rejected an amendment filed by Smith that would have provided a framework for closing the prison by the end of 2017 in a 174-249 vote. Thirteen Democrats joined with all but five Republicans to oppose the amendment.

The House did adopt a provision by Rep. Frank Lucas (R-Okla.) that would stop the re-listing of the lesser prairie chicken on the endangered species list until 2021, unless the Interior Department determines that a conservation plan is not working. It passed 229-190.

Lawmakers also adopted a provision by Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-Colo.) to stop funding for the implementation of the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty between the U.S. and Russia because of Moscow’s annexation of Crimea. Lamborn’s amendment passed 235-182.

Get ready for another government shutdown championed by your local Tea Party representatives liberal faction of the government, but blamed on the Tea Party anyway.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-15 13:23:16  
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Ramyrez said: »
Trains are fun.
I love it when it takes 10 hours to go someplace I can drive to in 6.

Trains are fun to me.

Better?

You don't buy a motorcycle to get somewhere; you buy a motorcycle to ride a motorcycle.

Same goes for trains.

They're just fun sometimes.

Also, nostalgic to some of us.

Edit: ***.

Sorry, I forgot who I was talking to. "Happiness", "pleasure", "contentment", and "appreciation" are all "feels", therefore you are immune to them as they don't have an appreciable effect upon the bottom line.

My mistake.

As you were.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-05-15 13:24:10  
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
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It remains to be seen if his sexual orientation is relevant to the story.

You're declaration that it doesn't is nothing more than a reflection of your ideology, not reality.
So, you are doubling down on the "He crashed a train because he was gay" concept?

You're just not understanding my point. You're either willfully ignorant, or just plain old stupid.

What point? That a journalist should include irrelevant information in an article because... reasons?
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-15 13:25:01  
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
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It remains to be seen if his sexual orientation is relevant to the story.

You're declaration that it doesn't is nothing more than a reflection of your ideology, not reality.
So, you are doubling down on the "He crashed a train because he was gay" concept?

You're just not understanding my point. You're either willfully ignorant, or just plain old stupid.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-05-15 13:25:22  
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At least at the last time I checked train prices in the US, it was roughly 2x the price as flying, for some absurd multiple of the duration.
Depends really. Dont get a sleeping car though unless you really want to pay a lot of money lol...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-15 13:25:53  
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Trains are fun.
I love it when it takes 10 hours to go someplace I can drive to in 6.

Trains are fun to me.

Better?

You don't buy a motorcycle to get somewhere; you buy a motorcycle to ride a motorcycle.

Same goes for trains.

They're just fun sometimes.

Also, nostalgic to some of us.
I only ride trains for fun, not for actually going from point A to point B.

Every year I ride the old style train between Palestine and Rusk. It's a 4 hour affair that usually takes 30 minutes to travel between the two towns. But I do it because it's fun.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-15 13:26:36  
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Get ready for another government shutdown championed by your local Tea Party representatives liberal faction of the government, but blamed on the Tea Party anyway.

Unclear as to why the Tea Party wants to increase spending.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-05-15 13:27:58  
My home town was littered with active train tracks. Sure there's some nostalgia for trains, but mostly it's this feeling of dread that I'm about to be 30+ minutes late to something because one of them decided to park on the tracks at the worst time of the day.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-15 13:29:45  
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
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It remains to be seen if his sexual orientation is relevant to the story.

You're declaration that it doesn't is nothing more than a reflection of your ideology, not reality.
So, you are doubling down on the "He crashed a train because he was gay" concept?

You're just not understanding my point. You're either willfully ignorant, or just plain old stupid.

What point? That a journalist should include irrelevant information in an article because... reasons?

Sorry Sparthosx I can only bang my head against the wall in vain for three people per topic per day. You need to seek out either Pleebo, Milamber or Ramyrez for this topic. I think I might have an opening in the MGTOW topic though.

You should try edging out Ramyrez, he's a pretty big fanboy.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-15 13:32:21  
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My home town was littered with active train tracks. Sure there's some nostalgia for trains, but mostly it's this feeling of dread that I'm about to be 30+ minutes late to something because one of them decided to park on the tracks at the worst time of the day.

I had active trains in my hometown when I was growing up. They're all gone now. Most of the tracks are torn up too and sold to a dealer in scrap metal that, coincidentally, essentially owns the town I went to college in.

My grandpa worked on the railroads. Damn Irish railworkers, anyhow!

But yeah. My grandmother's house, where I lived for many years, was scant yards from train tracks. We used to ride our bikes on the paths along the tracks because they cut through town better than the streets did.

*shrug*

Like I said. Mostly nostalgia on my part.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-15 13:32:25  
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Get ready for another government shutdown championed by your local Tea Party representatives liberal faction of the government, but blamed on the Tea Party anyway.

Unclear as to why the Tea Party wants to increase spending.
Ceiling cap on the defense department is still there, they just want to put $90B in the war fund.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-15 13:33:22  
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It remains to be seen if his sexual orientation is relevant to the story.

You're declaration that it doesn't is nothing more than a reflection of your ideology, not reality.
So, you are doubling down on the "He crashed a train because he was gay" concept?

You're just not understanding my point. You're either willfully ignorant, or just plain old stupid.

What point? That a journalist should include irrelevant information in an article because... reasons?

Sorry Sparthosx I can only bang my head against the wall in vain for three people per topic per day. You need to seek out either Pleebo, Milamber or Ramyrez for this topic. I think I might have an opening in the MGTOW topic though.

You should try edging out Ramyrez, he's a pretty big fanboy.

Your reasons given are only relevant to you; the rest of us see them for the flailing justifications they are.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-05-15 13:34:23  
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Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Get ready for another government shutdown championed by your local Tea Party representatives liberal faction of the government, but blamed on the Tea Party anyway.

Unclear as to why the Tea Party wants to increase spending.
Ceiling cap on the defense department is still there, they just want to put $90B in the war fund.

Think of all the train accidents that would have been prevented if the republicans just wanted to save lives instead of taking them.

#liberalproblems
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-15 13:34:37  
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Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Get ready for another government shutdown championed by your local Tea Party representatives liberal faction of the government, but blamed on the Tea Party anyway.

Unclear as to why the Tea Party wants to increase spending.
Ceiling cap on the defense department is still there, they just want to put $90B in the war fund.

Until they cut spending across the board in every category I'm not even going to think about buying into their rhetoric of smaller government and less spending. As it stands, all I see smaller government and less spending where it's convenient for them and their major financial backers.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-15 13:35:30  
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Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Get ready for another government shutdown championed by your local Tea Party representatives liberal faction of the government, but blamed on the Tea Party anyway.

Unclear as to why the Tea Party wants to increase spending.
Ceiling cap on the defense department is still there, they just want to put $90B in the war fund.
This part is somewhat strange:
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It includes $38 billion more for the war fund than had been requested by the White House. The extra spending is not offset by spending cuts or tax hikes.
Not a big fan of this at all (preventing closure of Gitmo):
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The White House also opposes language in the bill meant to prevent the closing of Guantanamo Bay.
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