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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 11:17:24  
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I've rarely questioned your knowledge, just your assertion that because you're on the up-and-up, everyone else is too in the business world.
I cannot say for certain that there aren't unethical people in business. But I can say for certain that there aren't many unethical people in business.

You cannot believe how easy it is to find bad business practices, just by reviewing their annual reports. And because of SOX Act, those annual reports have to be as accurate as humanly possible, with no material errors, and if there is any, not only is the company liable, but the CPA firm who attests on the financials and the officers themselves can be held liable and very possibly can have criminal charges brought to them.

Expect you haven't really heard of any corporate fraud (Knight Investments was the last known case of corporate fraud, and that was back in 2008) in recent years.

I'm never going to deny humans being humans, but I trust businesses a whole lot more than government in terms of ethical behavior and moral standards. Mostly because of the legal ramifications associated with it.
Fraudulent (or unlawful) behavior is not the only type of unethical behavior. The GM ignition switch and lack of recall for such an extended time is a good example, off the top of my head.
Can intent to not recall be proven, or would that be conjecture?

I have also shown a governmental agency's willingness to harm customer support because of a budget cut that they received for other unethical behaviors, and the source material, to some people, is considered "propaganda" (mainly because it goes against their mindset). But you cannot deny these actions as being unethical.

The difference is, the governmental agency doesn't get harmed by it, and can/will continue to do such behavior, while the private company can face legal and criminal repercussions for such behavior.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-14 11:17:38  
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if the FCC is involved, then that should take care of that, hopefully.

Ugh the FCC.

I mean, props to them for trying to help consumers, but I feel like they're going to *** it up no matter what.

Also, there's still the whole "censorship" thing, and how television and radio are not subject to the first amendment's protections based just on the FCC's say-so...
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-14 11:18:40  
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Can intent to not recall be proven, or would that be conjecture?

Protection based on the technicality of a law is of dubious quality at best.

I mean, look at OJ.

It gets to be shakier still when "valued customers" start dying.
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By Jetackuu 2015-05-14 11:19:23  
So biased reports from politicians with an agenda = proof now?

Well ***.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-14 11:19:36  
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Large organizations, as a rule, are not necessarily efficient. Regardless if they are public or private.
I highly doubt you would wait an hour to an hour and a half at any call center for any company.

Companies are, as a survival technique, required to be efficient. The more successful ones are more efficient than the least successful ones.
Comcast? <insert your cable or telephone company here>
Go to another one?

(Incoming "there's only one provider of internet in my area because I either set very specific guidelines, like 1 TB/sec speeds or greater, or I just don't want to look at anyone beyond the top offering" excuses)
Or you live in an apartment complex which has exclusive contracts.
Which means that you wouldn't need to simply find another company to use as a service provider, but a new residence as well.

In any event, Comcast's existence isn't particularly meaningful for me anymore. Although I can say I've had to contact my ISP here... once? in the past seven years.
Can you point the state charter that allows a contractual monopoly like this?
I can point to this article regarding the activities surrounding the change in FCC policies on the matter:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/05/federal-court-upholds-fcc-ban-on-exclusive-cable-deals/
Should have been in effect a long time ago, but I guess better late than never.

To be honest, I didn't know that this practice was going on. I figured that there were state charters preventing this practice, but if the FCC is involved, then that should take care of that, hopefully.

Now, is that practice still going on? What happened in the past doesn't matter if the present is different.
Some states did prevent the practice, but it was by no means universal.

I can't attest as to whether or not that particular practice still exists. I believe a variant mandating that the service is part of the rent; while you are no longer prevented from engaging another company, you are still paying for the original service. That appears to be legal in Georgia, at least, as of 2012 (pdf).
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-14 11:20:13  
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The difference is, the governmental agency doesn't get harmed by it

Just wait a while. I don't think we're going to go through the rest of this century without some major upheaval.
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By Jetackuu 2015-05-14 11:20:49  
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
if the FCC is involved, then that should take care of that, hopefully.

Ugh the FCC.

I mean, props to them for trying to help consumers, but I feel like they're going to *** it up no matter what.

Also, there's still the whole "censorship" thing, and how television and radio are not subject to the first amendment's protections based just on the FCC's say-so...
Really my only severe issue with the FCC, it's also just one side of it. Are you familiar with part 15 of the FCC's rules?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 11:21:59  
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Employee treatment, relations, and compensation is my biggest gripe. Many of those are readily fixable if our country would adopt the employment compensation (benefits, that is) standards of some other civilized countries.
You mean the standards set by a unionized/socialistic society, like France?

Sorry, I don't want the government dictating how I should run my life.

As for employee treatment, I keep asking you for evidence of such hardships associated with employees and how they are prevented from ever leaving the job itself because of such "hardships".

The same question can go for employee relations.

As for compensation, I'm still wondering if you want people to be paid a CEO wage or something. I know we have had discussions about this, but let me ask you right out: What is wrong, in your own words, with the compensation system we have in place now, and what do you propose to fix this without affecting prices and customer relations?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 11:23:40  
Jetackuu said: »
So biased reports from politicians with an agenda = proof now?

Well ***.
If you read pass the partisan rhetoric, and look at the facts itself, you will see what is really happening....

But reading pass the partisan rhetoric means looking at it with an open mind, which I find you are incapable of doing.
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By Ramyrez 2015-05-14 11:27:04  
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What is wrong, in your own words, with the compensation system we have in place now, and what do you propose to fix this without affecting prices and customer relations?

Monetary compensation -- in my opinion -- is largely fine as it is, at least from an "ideals" standpoint. On the side of "raising the minimum wage" I understand why people want it done but I don't think it's the way to fix the problem. Their anger and frustration are justified, their method of changing things is not (again, imo).

Scheduling, time off, sick leave, etc. is all in a very bad place though.

We are the only country that dictates zero paid holidays off and/or compensation for worked holidays (I know the latter exists to some extent, but not universally as far as I know).

And when it comes to scheduling, look no further than anyone who has been forced to work a double shift -- from waiters all the way up to surgeons -- and tell me we don't have problems with scheduling practices in the interest of saving the employers money.

Do you want a surgeon working at the end of a double taking your apendix out? This is how sponges get left inside patients. :p
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By fonewear 2015-05-14 11:27:08  
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Employee treatment, relations, and compensation is my biggest gripe. Many of those are readily fixable if our country would adopt the employment compensation (benefits, that is) standards of some other civilized countries.
You mean the standards set by a unionized/socialistic society, like France?

Sorry, I don't want the government dictating how I should run my life.

As for employee treatment, I keep asking you for evidence of such hardships associated with employees and how they are prevented from ever leaving the job itself because of such "hardships".

The same question can go for employee relations.

As for compensation, I'm still wondering if you want people to be paid a CEO wage or something. I know we have had discussions about this, but let me ask you right out: What is wrong, in your own words, with the compensation system we have in place now, and what do you propose to fix this without affecting prices and customer relations?

So you are telling me an entry level job doesn't make millions of dollars ! Those greedy CEOs !
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By Jetackuu 2015-05-14 11:27:33  
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Jetackuu said: »
So biased reports from politicians with an agenda = proof now?

Well ***.
If you read pass the partisan rhetoric, and look at the facts itself, you will see what is really happening....

But reading pass the partisan rhetoric means looking at it with an open mind, which I find you are incapable of doing.



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By fonewear 2015-05-14 11:28:02  
Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
What is wrong, in your own words, with the compensation system we have in place now, and what do you propose to fix this without affecting prices and customer relations?

Monetary compensation -- in my opinion -- is largely fine as it is, at least from an "ideals" standpoint.

Scheduling, time off, sick leave, etc. is all in a very bad place though.

We are the only country that dictates zero paid holidays off and/or compensation for worked holidays (I know the latter exists to some extent, but not universally as far as I know).

And when it comes to scheduling, look no further than anyone who has been forced to work a double shift -- from waiters all the way up to surgeons -- and tell me we don't have problems with scheduling practices in the interest of saving the employers money.

Do you want a surgeon working at the end of a double taking your apendix out? This is how sponges get left inside patients. :p

If you didn't want to work long hours why are you a surgeon ? People in the medical field work long hours because they have to. It isn't some crazy boss saying you have to work overtime "just because". It is just part of the job.
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By Jetackuu 2015-05-14 11:30:32  
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Scheduling
not to mention how many entry level positions have unstable schedules, or call-as-needed and must be able to come in, which is severely impractical, not to mention several other *** up factors about it.

Let's not even get into the food service industry, as that's *** all to hell.
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By fonewear 2015-05-14 11:31:19  
There is a solution to all this "don't work at a shitty fast food job"
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-05-14 11:31:43  
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So you are telling me an entry level job doesn't make millions of dollars ! Those greedy CEOs !

next thing they will tell us is that our art history degrees aren't the treasure trove of good fortune our college councilor told us they would be!
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By fonewear 2015-05-14 11:33:05  
These same fast food employees are the ones demanding 15 dollars an hour which if I"m not mistaken is double the min. wage.
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By Jetackuu 2015-05-14 11:33:46  
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There is a solution to all this "don't work at a shitty fast food job"
who said anything about fast food specifically?
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By fonewear 2015-05-14 11:34:35  
I don't know who said anything I wasn't paying attention I'm new here !
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By Jetackuu 2015-05-14 11:35:12  
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I don't know who said anything I wasn't paying attention I'm new here !
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By fonewear 2015-05-14 11:37:32  
This mystical land where people get paid time off and have a perfect work schedule... can you let me know where it exists...cause it isn't reality.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-05-14 11:53:35  
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I've rarely questioned your knowledge, just your assertion that because you're on the up-and-up, everyone else is too in the business world.
I cannot say for certain that there aren't unethical people in business. But I can say for certain that there aren't many unethical people in business.

You cannot believe how easy it is to find bad business practices, just by reviewing their annual reports. And because of SOX Act, those annual reports have to be as accurate as humanly possible, with no material errors, and if there is any, not only is the company liable, but the CPA firm who attests on the financials and the officers themselves can be held liable and very possibly can have criminal charges brought to them.

Expect you haven't really heard of any corporate fraud (Knight Investments was the last known case of corporate fraud, and that was back in 2008) in recent years.

I'm never going to deny humans being humans, but I trust businesses a whole lot more than government in terms of ethical behavior and moral standards. Mostly because of the legal ramifications associated with it.
Fraudulent (or unlawful) behavior is not the only type of unethical behavior. The GM ignition switch and lack of recall for such an extended time is a good example, off the top of my head.
Can intent to not recall be proven, or would that be conjecture?
Yes, if correspondence is available. It can also be conjecture, but sustainable conjecture if inappropriate time period elapses between discovery/confirmation/reporting/recall.
Manufacturers are required to disclose safety-related faults or failures to the NHTSA when the information is available.

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I have also shown a governmental agency's willingness to harm customer support because of a budget cut that they received for other unethical behaviors, and the source material, to some people, is considered "propaganda" (mainly because it goes against their mindset). But you cannot deny these actions as being unethical.


The difference is, the governmental agency doesn't get harmed by it, and can/will continue to do such behavior, while the private company can face legal and criminal repercussions for such behavior.
Like everything else, companies and governments (or subdivisions of both) are not created equal. Both can be subject to damages and repercussions at personal and organizational levels.
You can find stellar instances in each, but trying to compare the general categories is trying to determine which is the shiniest of two turds.
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By fonewear 2015-05-14 12:08:41  
Those evil Republicans are at it again:

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By fonewear 2015-05-14 12:09:26  
Black ish is supposed to be funny but since I'm white ish I don't get the humor !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 12:14:28  
Ramyrez said: »
Scheduling, time off, sick leave, etc. is all in a very bad place though.
For what positions? Part-time/full-time hourly or salary? Can you elaborate further on this please?

Ramyrez said: »
And when it comes to scheduling, look no further than anyone who has been forced to work a double shift -- from waiters all the way up to surgeons -- and tell me we don't have problems with scheduling practices in the interest of saving the employers money.
That could be a sign of lack of qualified people in the workforce. At least, for the professional side of the argument.

You don't have to be qualified to be in all minimum wage professions, but if a doctor has to work double shifts, wouldn't that signify a lack of people entering the field?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 12:15:27  
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So biased reports from politicians with an agenda = proof now?

Well ***.
If you read pass the partisan rhetoric, and look at the facts itself, you will see what is really happening....

But reading pass the partisan rhetoric means looking at it with an open mind, which I find you are incapable of doing.
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Yeah, it's funny when it comes to be about you. Maybe you will realize that you are basically laughing at yourself more than anyone else here...
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By Jetackuu 2015-05-14 12:17:23  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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So biased reports from politicians with an agenda = proof now?

Well ***.
If you read pass the partisan rhetoric, and look at the facts itself, you will see what is really happening....

But reading pass the partisan rhetoric means looking at it with an open mind, which I find you are incapable of doing.
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Yeah, it's funny when it comes to be about you. Maybe you will realize that you are basically laughing at yourself more than anyone else here...
Ha!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 12:18:33  
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Yes, if correspondence is available. It can also be conjecture, but sustainable conjecture if inappropriate time period elapses between discovery/confirmation/reporting/recall.
Manufacturers are required to disclose safety-related faults or failures to the NHTSA when the information is available.
Which is the rub. If the ignition issues were caused by consumer inattentiveness, should there be a recall issued because of stupid people?

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Like everything else, companies and governments (or subdivisions of both) are not created equal. Both can be subject to damages and repercussions at personal and organizational levels.
You can find stellar instances in each, but trying to compare the general categories is trying to determine which is the shiniest of two turds.
I'm talking about the culture difference between the two. You cannot say that governments are subject to the same ethical standards as everyone else when they are the ones creating the most unethical behavior in all groups!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-05-14 12:19:29  
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Jetackuu said: »
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Jetackuu said: »
So biased reports from politicians with an agenda = proof now?

Well ***.
If you read pass the partisan rhetoric, and look at the facts itself, you will see what is really happening....

But reading pass the partisan rhetoric means looking at it with an open mind, which I find you are incapable of doing.
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Yeah, it's funny when it comes to be about you. Maybe you will realize that you are basically laughing at yourself more than anyone else here...
Ha!
It's ok Jet, when you finally grow up and go past your puberty stage, you might realize the mistakes you are making today.
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By fonewear 2015-05-14 12:20:38  
You guys there is gay cake news (brace yourself) a reference to Wal Mart also.

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Two Nevada teens -- one gay and one straight -- have become Internet sensations in the wake of their viral promposal, but a new wrinkle in what had been a heartwarming story has emerged.

Jennifer Sandoval, the aunt of one of the teens, told local Fox affiliate KVVU-TV that employees at a Las Vegas Walmart refused to include the word "gay" on a surprise cake she bought for the duo. Sandoval's nephew is Anthony Martinez, who attended the Desert Oasis High School junior prom with his straight best friend, Jacob Lescenski, on May 2.

In a Teen Vogue video profile of Lescenski and Martinez, which can be seen below, Sandoval revealed the original inscription she'd hoped to have written on the icing: "You're gay, he's straight, you're going to prom, you couldn't have had a better date."

After the Walmart associates refused to print the word "gay," she opted for, "You matter, prom kings."

"One word -- 'gay' -- which is the meaning of happy, isn't going to harm putting that on a cake," Sandoval said in the KVVU-TV interview. "I don't understand. It's one word. It's 'gay.'"

When the news station contacted the Walmart, a spokesperson said store policy doesn't prohibit the word "gay," and management wasn't alerted when Sandoval made the request. The spokesperson said a store manager would contact Sandoval.

Sandoval said she was "disappointed" by the incident. The word "wasn't hurtful," she said. "It was to make my nephew happy, to see a smile on his face."

No word on Lescenski and Martinez's reaction to the cake news, but from the look of the Teen Vogue video below, the guys couldn't have been happier with their prom night.

When further questioned about the story a Wal Mart employee say yea "this is pretty gay" (but I accept gay people marriage and wedding cakes)
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