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Random Politics & Religion #00
Asura.Kingnobody said: » 27.88% of the votes in an electoral college system are allocated based on the number of states, vs. 0% in a population voting system. That is a huge swing and also weakens the voting power of states like Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, Hawaii, and pretty much the entire Central, Midwest, and South sections of the USA, except Texas. Except that it's not a state election. It's a national election. It should be counted nationally, not by state. Really none of this *** matters because the electoral college is never going away because it would take 1) a good number of lawmakers to agree its the right thing to do and 2) would take bipartisan cooperation.
Neither is ever going to happen, so don't worry. Your money is safe (which is what this all comes down to, really). Starbucks is trying to end racism the electoral college can wait !
Seraph.Ramyrez said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » 27.88% of the votes in an electoral college system are allocated based on the number of states, vs. 0% in a population voting system. That is a huge swing and also weakens the voting power of states like Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, Hawaii, and pretty much the entire Central, Midwest, and South sections of the USA, except Texas. Except that it's not a state election. It's a national election. It should be counted nationally, not by state. It is being counted nationally. But the % of voting power is not skewed towards higher density areas like a population vote would be. It gives residents of low density areas a chance to actually have a voice. And I think that's what scares you the most. This is a representative democratic republic, not a populist regime.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: » It gives residents of low density areas a chance to actually have a voice. NO it doesn't! Why is this so hard for you to see? Getting rid of the electoral college makes one vote equal ONE VOTE. The electoral college makes a vote for the minority opinion in a state mean nothing. The electoral college is what upholds population centers as powerhouses and marginalizes indviduals in rural communities and the like. Asura.Kingnobody said: » representative democratic republic, How can it be representative if someone who fewer people voted for is representing the majority who didn't vote for them? But if it's your way, it's a "republic", if it's the way you don't like, it's a "regime". Ugh! How can it be ? Simple it is America and it does what it pleases !
Asura.Kingnobody said: » .... This is a representative The problem is who is being represented.
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We need a Huff Post article for accurate representation.
Garuda.Chanti said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » .... This is a representative The problem is who is being represented. KN won't just admit he likes his money and his current position and he will do everything he can to ensure no one threatens it. That's an okay mindset to have, but don't try to skew facts to defend it. It's not a position that needs defending. It's just self-interest, which we all have to varying degrees. Seraph.Ramyrez said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » It gives residents of low density areas a chance to actually have a voice. NO it doesn't! Why is this so hard for you to see? Getting rid of the electoral college makes one vote equal ONE VOTE. The electoral college makes a vote for the minority opinion in a state mean nothing. Even if only 20% of the population votes, it would take every single citizen in Wyoming to have the same level of voting power to vote than one section of New York City. And you think that's fair? Seraph.Ramyrez said: » Garuda.Chanti said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » .... This is a representative The problem is who is being represented. KN won't just admit he likes his money and his current position and he will do everything he can to ensure no one threatens it. That's an okay mindset to have, but don't try to skew facts to defend it. It's not a position that needs defending. It's just self-interest, which we all have to varying degrees. Tell me, is the Federal Reserve oppressing you?
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Kids write your Congressmen we can fix this !
Asura.Kingnobody said: » Even if only 20% of the population votes, it would take every single citizen in Wyoming to have the same level of voting power to vote than one section of New York City. And you think that's fair? ...you're asking me if I think it's fair that people who neglect to vote lose out on representation? Of course that's fair. That's the very point of voting. Expressing your will. If you don't vote in a 1:1 system, that's your own damn fault. If you don't vote in an electoral college system, who can blame you, because your vote doesn't matter in most states where the electoral votes are nearly assuredly going to go against you anyhow. Seraph.Ramyrez said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Even if only 20% of the population votes, it would take every single citizen in Wyoming to have the same level of voting power to vote than one section of New York City. And you think that's fair? ...you're asking me if I think it's fair that people who neglect to vote lose out on representation? Of course that's fair. That's the very point of voting. Expressing your will. If you don't vote in a 1:1 system, that's your own damn fault. If you don't vote in an electoral college system, who can blame you, because your vote doesn't matter in most states where the electoral votes are nearly assuredly going to go against you anyhow.
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I don't even want the right to vote. Please make my decision for me !
Asura.Kingnobody said: » Seraph.Ramyrez said: » Garuda.Chanti said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » .... This is a representative The problem is who is being represented. KN won't just admit he likes his money and his current position and he will do everything he can to ensure no one threatens it. That's an okay mindset to have, but don't try to skew facts to defend it. It's not a position that needs defending. It's just self-interest, which we all have to varying degrees. Tell me, is the Federal Reserve oppressing you? Dude, I don't get it. Why can't you just be honest about stuff like this? This is as much an issue as any facts we're discussing. People protect their positions. I, for instance, am a unionized employee. I am going to defend a system that ensures collective bargaining and helps me maintain checks and balances versus employers who are out to get as much out of me for as little as possible. You have a position and money and investments that are better-served by a conservative government, and you want them to stay in power. And the current system allows you a better chance of this. Yes the populist voting concept "favors" me more, but that's not really my point. My point is the electoral college marginalizes voters. Asura.Kingnobody said: » Seraph.Ramyrez said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Even if only 20% of the population votes, it would take every single citizen in Wyoming to have the same level of voting power to vote than one section of New York City. And you think that's fair? ...you're asking me if I think it's fair that people who neglect to vote lose out on representation? Of course that's fair. That's the very point of voting. Expressing your will. If you don't vote in a 1:1 system, that's your own damn fault. If you don't vote in an electoral college system, who can blame you, because your vote doesn't matter in most states where the electoral votes are nearly assuredly going to go against you anyhow. You're simply not making sense at this point. What you're saying is flat-out wrong. One vote equals one vote. If you don't vote and aren't represented, that's your fault. Where did I advocate a complete population based system? All I said is that the electoral college essentially takes most states off the map of competitive play because they're 'in the tank' so to speak.
So pols will continue to woo the same handful of states that are in play, the usual Red or Blue states will vote their usual way and if you're in a red or blue powerhouse state and vote opposite you're wasting your time 90% of the time. The same thing happens in local elections but at least turnout is typically so dismal that your vote could tip the election. Unless you live in a swing state, your POTUS vote is pretty much made already.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: » Seraph.Ramyrez said: » Asura.Kingnobody said: » Even if only 20% of the population votes, it would take every single citizen in Wyoming to have the same level of voting power to vote than one section of New York City. And you think that's fair? ...you're asking me if I think it's fair that people who neglect to vote lose out on representation? Of course that's fair. That's the very point of voting. Expressing your will. If you don't vote in a 1:1 system, that's your own damn fault. If you don't vote in an electoral college system, who can blame you, because your vote doesn't matter in most states where the electoral votes are nearly assuredly going to go against you anyhow. Those states already get weighted higher because of their greater number of electoral votes. CA has 18 times more voting power than Nevada in the electoral system. Is that fair? If your concern is each state be equally represented why not just give each state one electoral vote? With the electoral college the way votes have more to do with focusing elections on swing states and winning over and all the rest just vote the way they always do. In any case I personally think the only thing that would change are the venues that presidential campaigns would focus on.
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Yeah. I don't know why I get so passionate about this or anything else, really, when it comes to politics as not a damn thing I do or say is going to actually make a difference.
But hey, what can I say. I have too many feels. Leviathan.Chaosx said: »  This is what happens when you don't treat your employees fairly. We'll start a union then we'll go too far !
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Much as I'd love to dive right into electoral college there is new anti racism cups at Starbucks !
I'll start my own FFXIAH website with more liberal views just you wait !
I'll call it FFXIAH (Return of the Progressive) That isn't copyrighted is it ? fonewear said: » Much as I'd love to dive right into electoral college there is new anti racism cups at Starbucks ! Forget the cups, why go to Starbucks at all? Overpriced bean juice anyhow! Because Ramyrez for once in my life I want to be part of the solution not the problem !
fonewear said: » Because Ramyrez for once in my life I want to be part of the solution not the problem gawl ! So just don't buy coffee there! Yea but you see it isn't about ending racism it is about spreading awareness.
Step 1 awareness Step 2 ??? Step 3 racial harmony !
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