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By fonewear 2015-03-13 14:51:06  
Plus how porn objectifies men !

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/13/porn-women-study_n_6831402.html?utm_hp_ref=women&ir=Women

TLDR Men are terrible !

It's easy to dismiss the porn industry as a feminist wasteland where degrading depictions of women thrive and empowering images are few and far between. But a recent study suggests that perhaps mainstream porn doesn't differ too much in its portrayal of the sexes.

Researchers from the University of Amsterdam analyzed 400 of the most popular global Internet porn videos from February 2013 on Pornhub, RedTube, YouPorn, and xHamster. (That's 107 hours and 48 minutes of explicit material, in case you were wondering.) Most of the videos depicted sex between a man and a woman, but about 17 percent featured group sex, 5 percent lesbian sex and 3 percent masturbation. The researchers found that men and women were both objectified in mainstream porn, just differently:

Women were more often seen as instruments of men's sexual pleasure, since most of the scenarios only depicted men's orgasms.
But men were more frequently dehumanized, because their faces were rarely shown.
Overall, men and women had equal amounts of power in terms of their social and professional status.
Men and women were about equally as likely to initiate a sexual encounter.

The researchers claim that this work contrasts with the ideas of the anti-pornography movement that started in the '70s and '80s. As part of the movement, activists like Andrea Dworkin claim that porn objectified women and glorified sexual violence in a way that would incite male hostility. Journalist Susan Brownmiller even called pornography the "undiluted essence of anti-female propaganda."

But in the sample of popular videos the study looked at, explicit sexual violence wasn't a prevailing theme at all -- only 3.8 percent of them featured violent acts other than spanking (which occurred in 27 percent) and gagging (19 percent), and the response of women to these acts was largely positive or neutral. There were no scenes showing kicking or punching, and nonconsensual sex appeared in only 6 percent of the videos.

Plus, both genders tended to be equally as powerful professionally and socially. Power was measured by who had a higher hierarchical position and who had the lower position in the storyline -- boss versus secretary, teacher versus student, etc.

The study did note that things have changed since the early days of the anti-pornography movement, writing, "It remains unclear whether our finding represents a genuine empowerment of women in pornography or merely reflects broader societal trends in Western(ized) countries."

Despite these findings, portrayals of women in pornography are still fraught, and porn remains a divisive subject.

"[Porn] is not unusual," Alice Rutkowski, Associate Professor of English who teaches a course on the history and implications of pornography at SUNY Geneseo, told The Huffington Post. "It just replicates the dynamics that are present in other parts of our culture."

Rutkowski, who's not connected to the study, said that porn has plenty to improve upon, but its gendered norms aren't unique to sexually graphic content. Of course, she also said that consent is a key component. While many of the scenarios that play out in porn may not seem pleasurable to everyone, if consent is expressed, it may just be a "different strokes for different folks" kind of situation.

"Sex is so personal," Rutkowski said. "It's so easy for us to look at something and say, 'That's horrible -- how could that person like that?'"

It's also important to understand that porn isn't perfect, nor is it a representation of reality. In the study, men were more likely to orgasm or be manually or orally stimulated than women were. Close-up shots of women's body parts were shown significantly more often than those of men's. And even though violent acts and manipulation into sex were rare, when either of these things did happen, the researchers found that they generally happened to women. Not to mention, women were more likely to be dominated by men.

However you interpret these findings, this study gives us a bit more insight into how popular mainstream pornography portrays men and women. And since 25 percent of American men admit to watching Internet porn, more context and dialogue on the topic can only be good things.
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By Ramyrez 2015-03-13 14:52:06  
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
I thought they were referencing the mid 90s supernatural drama about a lady and her older mentor helping people interpret messages from God!



Damn that dove is fascinating. Yes I watched this show. No I don't feel like less of a man for it.

My mom watched it. I just remember the one time the angel girl proposed a toast, and the guy was all like "ahhhh! You've got to drink what you toasted with!" and she was holding a bottle of hot sauce.

...that's the limit of my recollection, as I was ever more eyeball-rolly about religion then than now.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-03-13 14:52:41  
fonewear said: »
I feel empowered by Huff Post. Plus they give me all these clues about what men want !

Psh, Huff Po, that rag.
I get all my latest information on everything worth knowing from Cosmopolitan. I bet you didn't know these 35 awkward as ***, not remotely practical ways to have sex.

Did I mention sex? And mind-blowing sex. Not that offbrand stuff.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-13 14:53:02  
fonewear said: »
Plus how porn objectifies men !

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/13/porn-women-study_n_6831402.html?utm_hp_ref=women&ir=Women


But men were more frequently dehumanized, because their faces were rarely shown.
That's done on purpose. What guy wants to see another guy when fapping?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-13 14:54:10  
Also... wrong thread Fone, lol.
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By fonewear 2015-03-13 14:54:45  
I know I can fix it I have the power !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-13 14:56:05  
fonewear said: »
I know I can fix it I have the power !
Empowerment, yo!
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By fonewear 2015-03-13 14:56:23  
I would say there is one way to please your woman buy her ***she doesn't need !
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By Lye 2015-03-13 14:57:23  
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Also... wrong thread Fone, lol.
Yeah! Weddershins that stuff outta here!
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By fonewear 2015-03-13 14:58:36  
Oh no shocking news Barney Frank is gay who would of thunk it !

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/03/barney-frank-life-as-gay-congressman-116027.html?hp=t1_r

I'll summarize took me 32 years to tell you what you knew for 32 years...
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By Lye 2015-03-13 14:59:24  
Not enough stereotypes.
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By Ramyrez 2015-03-13 15:00:10  
fonewear said: »
I would say there is one way to please your woman buy her ***she doesn't need !

In your case, the way to please your woman is by leaving her.

Edit: bah. I couldn't find a good gif of a burning match quick enough. Lame.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-13 15:00:24  
fonewear said: »
Barney Frank is gay
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By fonewear 2015-03-13 15:02:26  
I heard Ellen is gay too but those are only rumors !
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By Lye 2015-03-13 15:03:56  
fonewear said: »
I heard Ellen is gay too but those are only rumors !

Doesn't meet stereotype quota.
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By fonewear 2015-03-13 15:04:35  
I heard Elizabeth Warren is gay but turns out she is a Native American.

Would be a double whammy if first gay Indian chief that isn't in the village people to serve Congress !
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By Ramyrez 2015-03-13 15:07:24  
fonewear said: »
I heard Elizabeth Warren is gay but turns out she is a Native American.

Would be a double whammy if first gay Indian chief that isn't in the village people to serve Congress !
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By fonewear 2015-03-13 15:08:01  
Would you rather go back to copyright laws ?

I mean I find that very fascinating as well !
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By fonewear 2015-03-13 15:10:44  
I like stereotypes it beats actually getting to know someone !
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By Siren.Mosin 2015-03-13 15:19:55  
Verda said: »
Onorgul has to characterize people. It's very important.

Verda said: »
Sentiment of most posters here.

yeah! better to just lump masses of people in as one & judge their worth.
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By fonewear 2015-03-13 15:20:37  
Siren.Mosin said: »
Verda said: »
Onorgul has to characterize people. It's very important.

Verda said: »
Sentiment of most posters here.

yeah! better to just lump masses of people in as one & judge their worth.

Judge not lest ye P and R !
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-03-13 15:20:51  
Verda, you seem to constantly complain for the behaviour of people that you show yourself as well.

This isn't the first time.
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By Lye 2015-03-13 15:20:52  
Siren.Mosin said: »
Verda said: »
Onorgul has to characterize people. It's very important.

Verda said: »
Sentiment of most posters here.

yeah! better to just lump masses of people in as one & judge their worth.

Seriously. Palpable the irony is!

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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-13 15:21:51  
fonewear said: »
Siren.Mosin said: »
Verda said: »
Onorgul has to characterize people. It's very important.

Verda said: »
Sentiment of most posters here.

yeah! better to just lump masses of people in as one & judge their worth.

Judge not lest ye P and R !
Preach on!
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By fonewear 2015-03-13 15:21:57  
I smell semantics let's investigate further !
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By fonewear 2015-03-13 15:23:19  
It's been a long time since we argued semantics I reckon three or four pages !
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