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 Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-03-04 14:39:52  
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
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Dodge? You were just wrong I thought that was made clear.

How do you know that prison sex is either consensual or rape? Personally I've based my comments on the rape thing off of don't drop the soap or television. Do you have some kind of report on how many prisoners engage in consensual or non sonsensual sex in prison or how many identified as gay before they went in and straight now?

None of what you have said addresses the actual issue which is that you seem to agree with this guy that says prison turns people gay so therefore gay is a choice.

Hell, for arugment's sake, even if that were true... Why would it matter? If its a choice and you don't want to be gay then you don't partake right? I don't understand why people are so afraid of gay people or why they want to restrict them.

How do I know if it's consensual? Are you really going to assert that it isn't? I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that some prison sex is consensual. I also don't think it's unreasonable to assume that of all those in the "consensual sex pile" there are some in there who weren't gay before they went to prison. I mean I guess you could just refuse to engage by saying something akin to "if we don't have any stats we can't have a conversation" but that makes you pretty stupid.
You don't think it's unreasonable to assume that based on what?

You can have a conversation about it for sure. Knowing that it's exchanging personal opinions is one thing but a guy who considers himself a presidential candidate speaking out about gay marriage and how being gay is a choice based on nothing more than what seems to be his own personal idea some go in straight and some come out gay with no actual proof on any level is quite frankly ludicrous.

I wouldn't say wanting to be informed on a topic before you discuss it makes anyone "pretty stupid". I'm not saying it should stop anyone from having a discussion but it definitely doesn't make anyone stupid.

The statistics do not matter in this particular case. The existence of ONE person who was strait before they went to prison who willfully engages in gay sex while he's there, validates his point. Are you really going to argue that it doesn't?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-04 14:43:08  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
The existence of ONE person who was strait


Couldn't help it.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-03-04 14:44:22  
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The existence of ONE person who was strait before they went to prison who willfully engages in gay sex while he's there,

I have never given it any thought...

/swirls his hand around
just let that percolate in your brain for a couple minutes buddy
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By fonewear 2015-03-04 14:45:51  
We talking about prison sex I thought that was a perk of being in prison !

Long as you are married on the outside before hand.
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2015-03-04 14:46:36  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
The existence of ONE person who was strait


Couldn't help it.

Not even my favourite strait.

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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-03-04 14:47:07  
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We talking about prison sex I thought that was a perk of being in prison !

I thought what happened in vegas prison stayed in vegas prison

You forgot the first rule of fight club nausi!!!
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By fonewear 2015-03-04 14:48:01  
What about the booty warriors !


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By Ramyrez 2015-03-04 14:51:05  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
The statistics do not matter in this particular case. The existence of ONE person who was strait before they went to prison who willfully engages in gay sex while he's there, validates his point. Are you really going to argue that it doesn't?

Ignoring all the other nuanced problems with what's being said here, what's his point? That we shouldn't send people to prison because it makes them gay?

He doesn't have a point. He's just right-wing "moral crusader" Christian bigot trying to drum up votes with small-minded rednecks by whipping them up about social causes.

The gays are coming to kill your wife and make you gay too, vote for me!
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By fonewear 2015-03-04 14:52:44  
I like booty !
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By Ramyrez 2015-03-04 14:53:33  
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I like booty !

"It is our civic duty to bang the booty."

--Fear of a Black Hat.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-03-04 14:53:46  
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The statistics do not matter in this particular case. The existence of ONE person who was strait before they went to prison who willfully engages in gay sex while he's there, validates his point. Are you really going to argue that it doesn't?
Institutional homosexuality is not homosexuality. It is, however, a very well-documented and well-understood phenomenon.

Some of it is traditional fagging: you become subordinate to someone who'll show you the ropes and/or keep you safe. In this and other ways, prison and traditional English boarding schools (to say nothing of American Ivy League universities a century ago) are similar.

Some institutional homosexuality is just because there are no women around. Whether it's what you'd want in other circumstances, a wet hole is better than nothing.

Sometimes it's even just the price-of-admission to get some desperately needed human contact. Camaraderie in prisons is difficult and potentially dangerous, but all humans need some kind of contact. It's the whole reason why solitary confinement is basically the only mandated torture left on the books: it's torturous, but just barely mild enough.

What doesn't happen is institutional homosexuality turning into actual homosexuality.

Moreover, the notion of consent in most of those cases is very dubious. If my choice is between having all my teeth knocked out and my limbs and ribs regularly broken or bending over so that Bubba will protect me, is that really a choice and is that really consent? Probably not.

Engaging in homosexual acts doesn't make one homosexual. It doesn't even make one bisexual. I know more than a few homosexual men and women who have biological children the old-fashioned way: via heterosexual intercourse. That they could force themselves to do that, for whatever reason, doesn't alter the fact that, in a social vacuum with freedom of choice, they never pursue opposite sex people.

The notion that one mere act of homosexuality immediately (or ever) alters someone is nonsense. Any man who has ever watched porn and suddenly experienced a more intense erection when the male actor pulls out his ridiculously large penis could be credibly accused under such an arbitrary and absolutist doctrine. And most men will have that reaction from time to time, same as women getting turned on by other women from time to time. Most hormonal middle schoolers can get turned on by reading the word "sex" in the dictionary, but that hardly makes them bibliophiliac fetishists.
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By fonewear 2015-03-04 14:55:17  
Obama be like:

Lord have mercy look at that booty!


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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-03-04 14:55:19  
Ramyrez said: »
That we shouldn't send people to prison because it makes them gay?
If that's what it takes to stop us using the prison system, I will happily campaign that prison turns all men into dress-wearing, limp-wristed poofters suitable only to wait tables, make catty comments on A&E reality shows, and serve in the US Congress.
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By fonewear 2015-03-04 15:01:29  
Booty was more important than water !
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By fonewear 2015-03-04 15:03:51  
Self actualization is a lie. Don't believe the pyramid !
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2015-03-04 15:14:41  
OMG I need my self-esteem more than I need air!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-04 15:16:55  
Sex is so important it's in there twice!
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2015-03-04 15:21:53  
Fenrir.Atheryn said: »
OMG I need my self-esteem more than I need air!
I just... what.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-03-04 15:36:32  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
The statistics do not matter in this particular case.

Statistics... DO NOT MATTER?!? Sir, statistics always matter. There is a curve for everything!

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-04 15:54:07  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
The statistics do not matter in this particular case.

Statistics... DO NOT MATTER?!? Sir, statistics always matter. There is a curve for everything!

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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-03-04 16:00:00  
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Lol because I hate you Trebek




Alex Trebek: Okay, Burt Reynolds.
Burt Reynolds: That's not my name.
Alex Trebek: Okay, "Turd Ferguson".
Burt Reynolds: Yeah, what do you want?
Alex Trebek: You buzzed in!
Burt Reynolds: No, I didn't.
Alex Trebek: Yes, you did.
Burt Reynolds: Yeah, well, that's your opinion.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2015-03-04 16:03:58  
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If we're going to throw homosexual allegations, homophobia, sexual harassment, and allegations of satanic worship around, I can start just booting people out of this thread. Such things are unbecoming of a future president.

who sets the rules of who is unbecoming of a future president ? you, the world ? It is a matter of opinion my dear, your entitled to one as is a natural born constitutional citizen who has a right to be future president who is charged to defend the constitution this nation was founded on. Is there selective memory of who is attacking who here? I have not been using the report button but when i did i was told to have thick skin. politics and religion get heated no matter what it is about.

one of my favorite lines from a red blooded american band called weezer with there hit song Pork and beans is

" i don't give a hoot about what you think "
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2015-03-04 16:12:55  
Jeb Bush Booed At CPAC 2015

this is a good start, finally people realize the bush family is nazi sympathizers.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-04 16:13:52  
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who sets the rules of who is unbecoming of a future president ? you, the world ?
Actually, it's the voters.
I'm sure that the voters are all excited
about a homophobic isolationist zealot like yourself.

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my dear
I hate to break it to you, but Anna (otherwise known as Kojo, his friends call him "girlboy," but since you are neither, you may refer him as the moderator) is a guy. I know, it breaks your heart, but them's the breaks.

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your entitled to one as is a natural born constitutional citizen who has a right to be future president who is charged to defend the constitution this nation was founded on.
So, according to you, only Americans are allowed an opinion....

Yeah, that's real presidential material there....

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I have not been using the report button but when i did i was told to have thick skin.
I think we all know who you used the report feature on.....

Yeah, it isn't against the rules to have an opinion, but it should be against the rules to have an opinion and not back it up.

Good thing for you that I don't make the rules around here, huh?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-03-04 16:14:56  
I wonder how long it will take before Lorgrim realizes that nobody watches the videos that he posts?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-04 16:18:22  
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I wonder how long it will take before Lorgrim realizes that nobody watches the videos that he posts?
Probably never.

He will just come back by quoting himself and saying "What an interview!"
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-03-04 16:19:57  
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I wonder how long it will take before Lorgrim realizes that nobody watches the videos that he posts?

You can apply this thought to pretty much everyone that makes a habit of posting YT videos.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-03-04 16:20:33  
Siren.Lordgrim said: »
my dear
Sexist, patronizing, and condescending, following a series of homophobic screeds, all coupled with unsourced and insupportable data produced by other people, wrapped in a barely literate form of English.

Yes, the Republican Party has found their champion. Wait, you think you're a liberal? Don't worry, the Republicans think they're conservative, so you'll be fine.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-04 16:27:38  
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Siren.Lordgrim said: »
my dear
Sexist, patronizing, and condescending, following a series of homophobic screeds, all coupled with unsourced and insupportable data produced by other people, wrapped in a barely literate form of English.

Yes, the Republican Party has found their champion. Wait, you think you're a liberal? Don't worry, the Republicans think they're conservative, so you'll be fine.
No, he isn't either a liberal or conservative, he is off the political scale completely.

Unless you want to attribute his anti-Federal Reserve rhetoric, his inability to understand Congressional Law, his xenophobic tendencies, his anti-free trade rhetoric, his anti-corporation rhetoric, his lack of understanding of the IRC and the lack of understanding the UCC as liberal.

I wouldn't go that far, he is beyond both sides.
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