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By Bloodrose 2015-01-14 12:12:27  
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
Disagree Hard: Agree to Disagee Hard.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-14 12:41:55  
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I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your statements, like usual.

And as usual, you are failing. There is no hypocrisy.
I know you don't understand that word, so I'll point it out for you:

You think that the president shouldn't go to an event in response to an occurrence, an event that most world leaders were invited to attend, including the president. Your reasoning is that the event was planned in less than 48 hours.

You fail to realize that another event occurred where the president did attend with planning in less than 120 hours (in reality, the event was planned with less than 72 hour notice). This happened in December 2013.

The hypocrisy is that you don't believe that the president should attend an event in such short notice, but you have previously applauded him attending the event that was planned in such short notice.

Did that help you at all, or should I write it in crayons next time?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-01-14 12:49:11  
Do you get a special tickle comparing two things that are in no way alike?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-14 12:50:48  
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Do you get a special tickle comparing two things that are in no way alike?
Did I say that these events were similar?

Vic's excuse was only the time factor. I showed him where he is being hypocritical on his response.

I know you are being obtuse on purpose, but try to not make it so obvious next time, ok?
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-14 12:54:15  
The problem is, that regardless of if he went or not in an event planned in less than 48 hours notice, there would have been people bitching that he went into an area where known terrorists were still on the loose, or that he wasted taxpayer money in order to go on such short notice (because it costs more to attend with less time to prepare crews/bodyguards/etc.)
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-01-14 12:55:29  
So now you're going to pretend the point you're making isn't actually the point you are making.
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By Enuyasha 2015-01-14 12:56:51  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your statements, like usual.

And as usual, you are failing. There is no hypocrisy.
I know you don't understand that word, so I'll point it out for you:

You think that the president shouldn't go to an event in response to an occurrence, an event that most world leaders were invited to attend, including the president. Your reasoning is that the event was planned in less than 48 hours.

You fail to realize that another event occurred where the president did attend with planning in less than 120 hours (in reality, the event was planned with less than 72 hour notice). This happened in December 2013.

The hypocrisy is that you don't believe that the president should attend an event in such short notice, but you have previously applauded him attending the event that was planned in such short notice.

Did that help you at all, or should I write it in crayons next time?
48 > 72 > 120

24 hours = 1 day (assuming no one sleeps).

The average time it would take to 1) Create a security detail 2) run through that detail effectively 3) create contingency plans, escape routes, etc. Will take longer than a day, much less two. 120/24= 5 (assuming no one sleeps) which is adequate time assuming the area isnt entirely hostile, etc.

Then, theres assuming that the ONLY way to show ones support is to gather all the world leaders into the justice league and walk through the streets. Which its not, many world leaders didnt attend and instead decided to call and give support via condolences and other things we may not be privy to. Which in your mind, is weakness: Which many countries apparently showed weakness by doing so, not just the US.

Also, the gunmen are still assumed to be at large broski, meaning (Thats right folks) the area is still under a high risk of threat.

The president also then can dos what he wants cause hes the president, and he dont need no country telling him what he gon do. Cause he dos as he pleases.

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The problem is, that regardless of if he went or not in an event planned in less than 48 hours notice, there would have been people bitching that he went into an area where known terrorists were still on the loose, or that he wasted taxpayer money in order to go on such short notice (because it costs more to attend with less time to prepare crews/bodyguards/etc.)
 
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-14 13:01:28  
Additionally, many of the world leaders who were in attendance, were already there on business of some kind already, or had high profile people there to represent them in their place.
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By Enuyasha 2015-01-14 13:02:02  
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
Bloodrose said: »
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
Disagree Hard: Agree to Disagee Hard.
Disagree hard 7; the compromise
There is no compromise...how are they supposed to make Disagree Hard 8?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-14 13:02:30  
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So now you're going to pretend the point you're making isn't actually the point you are making.
You just want to make a strawman argument, don't you?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-01-14 13:02:51  
If he doesn't go he's shirking his duties. If he does go then he's bowing to the evil eruopean overlords! Weak either way.
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By Altimaomega 2015-01-14 13:03:09  
Dunno why everyone is so mad at the President for not representing the USA.. I mean come on guys, he just got back from a 15 day Hawaii vacation and needed to rest up for some rounds of golf.

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If he doesn't go he's shirking his duties. If he does go then he's bowing to the evil eruopean overlords! Weak either way.

A weak President is weak no matter what he does.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-14 13:03:38  
It's a two parter.

Disagree Hard 7: The Compromise leads into Disagree Hard 8: Compromise Down.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2015-01-14 13:04:02  
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
Bloodrose said: »
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
Disagree Hard: Agree to Disagee Hard.
Disagree hard 7; the compromise

Diagree hard 9; broken accord.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2015-01-14 13:04:54  
Enuyasha said: »
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
Bloodrose said: »
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
Disagree Hard: Agree to Disagee Hard.
Disagree hard 7; the compromise
There is no compromise...how are they supposed to make Disagree Hard 8?

Disagree Hard 8: Bitching Just to ***

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-14 13:05:04  
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
If he does go then he's bowing to the evil eruopean overlords! Weak either way.
Who's argument is that?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-01-14 13:07:00  
Altimaomega said: »
Dunno why everyone is so mad at the President for not representing the USA.. I mean come on guys, he just got back from a 15 day Hawaii vacation and needed to rest up for some rounds of golf.

Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
If he doesn't go he's shirking his duties. If he does go then he's bowing to the evil eruopean overlords! Weak either way.

A weak President is weak no matter what he does.
So it's basically what every sane person already sees in responses like these. You're going to hammer him no matter what he does so everything you say is irrelevant.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2015-01-14 13:07:05  
Disagree Hard 10: Broken Middle Eastern Promises aka For the Feels.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2015-01-14 13:07:11  
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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So now you're going to pretend the point you're making isn't actually the point you are making.
You just want to make a strawman argument, don't you?
Can we just agree that this line of discussion is fruitless and meaningless to continue gents? It's not like you two will learn or discover anything by furthering it right?

If you use that logic, P&R is going to close down.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-14 13:07:58  
I have to agree, that is a pretty huge leap in logic.

WE could argue whether or not he's weak or erring on the side of caution, because who seriously wants Jo Biden as President?

But paying homage to the loss of lives in France would in no way be weak (unless doing so specifically for political reasons).

Anyone making that kind of assumption should check themselves at the door.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-01-14 13:08:11  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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If he does go then he's bowing to the evil eruopean overlords! Weak either way.
Who's argument is that?
The argument that would have been there if he had gone.
 
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-14 13:09:56  
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
So now you're going to pretend the point you're making isn't actually the point you are making.
You just want to make a strawman argument, don't you?
Can we just agree that this line of discussion is fruitless and meaningless to continue gents? It's not like you two will learn or discover anything by furthering it right?

If you use that logic, P&R is going to close down.
No I would love to see them both focus that energy on a real issue to discuss instead of semantics and waste their contributed energy etc.

Plenty of things going on or other angles of this.
That would mean they would first have to agree on something. Thus the fall of the mighty Random PnR Empire!
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-14 13:11:06  
Wait, wtf happened to Disagree Hard 9?

Edit: God damn you Zero and your ninja edit.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-01-14 13:11:09  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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So now you're going to pretend the point you're making isn't actually the point you are making.
You just want to make a strawman argument, don't you?
What strawman?
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
The hypocrisy is that you don't believe that the president should attend an event in such short notice, but you have previously applauded him attending the event that was planned in such short notice.
It's literally your argument.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-14 13:11:22  
Bloodrose said: »
But paying homage to the loss of lives in France would in no way be weak (unless doing so specifically for political reasons).
I don't think anyone would have thought him weak to go over to France physically to protest the deaths of innocent people from a terrorist attack.

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If he does go then he's bowing to the evil eruopean overlords! Weak either way.
Who's argument is that?
The argument that would have been there if he had gone.
Nobody would have said that, you are just trying to create an argument where none existed.
 
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-01-14 13:13:02  
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Dunno why everyone is so mad at the President for not representing the USA.. I mean come on guys, he just got back from a 15 day Hawaii vacation and needed to rest up for some rounds of golf.

Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
If he doesn't go he's shirking his duties. If he does go then he's bowing to the evil eruopean overlords! Weak either way.

A weak President is weak no matter what he does.
So it's basically what every sane person already sees in responses like these. You're going to hammer him no matter what he does so everything you say is irrelevant.
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