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By Jetackuu 2014-11-10 17:06:13  
Not just the evil rich racists Republicans were against it, but they did have a large help in forming it into what it was, instead of the much better bill it started out to be. Hell you can even thank them for the mandate.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-11-10 17:09:47  
Jetackuu said: »
Not just the evil rich racists Republicans were against it, but they did have a large help in forming it into what it was, instead of the much better bill it started out to be. Hell you can even thank them for the mandate.
Right, because there was so much support by the Republicans when it was brought to vote.

How many Republicans voted for Obamacare again? Please enlighten us on the number.

(We all know you won't respond, as the response will pretty much null your argument)
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By Jetackuu 2014-11-10 17:11:36  
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Jetackuu said: »
Not just the evil rich racists Republicans were against it, but they did have a large help in forming it into what it was, instead of the much better bill it started out to be. Hell you can even thank them for the mandate.
Right, because there was so much support by the Republicans when it was brought to vote.

How many Republicans voted for Obamacare again? Please enlighten us on the number.

(We all know you won't respond, as the response will pretty much null your argument)
Oh not being able to see beyond what's in front of your nose, and not really even being able to do that right, must be nice.

First off, nobody voted for Obamacare, people voted for the ACA, you people and your silly names.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-11-10 17:20:26  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
The guy in that video is the guy who was instrumental in the creation of the ACA. He speaks about how the bill was UN-transparent BY DESIGN because if the it was framed as what it really is, a massive tax and transfer of wealth from the healthy to the sick, it would have died without question.

This from the most transparent administration evah! It pretty much proves that the ideas of liberals and progressives are so bad that they need to lie in order to sell them.

Again. If ACA was remotely unique in that respect, you might have a point, but it's not.
What is unique about ACA is that people have been saying this all along while this bill was being created, how overly complicated and overly bad it was structured, and it was generally ignored, because those who were against this bill were Republicans (you know, the evil rich racists and all that ***).

They spent their time symbolically oposing it and trying to attach riders instead of participating and making a better law. And massive social legislation is always overcomplicated.

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By Jetackuu 2014-11-10 17:22:57  
Odin.Jassik said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
The guy in that video is the guy who was instrumental in the creation of the ACA. He speaks about how the bill was UN-transparent BY DESIGN because if the it was framed as what it really is, a massive tax and transfer of wealth from the healthy to the sick, it would have died without question.

This from the most transparent administration evah! It pretty much proves that the ideas of liberals and progressives are so bad that they need to lie in order to sell them.

Again. If ACA was remotely unique in that respect, you might have a point, but it's not.
What is unique about ACA is that people have been saying this all along while this bill was being created, how overly complicated and overly bad it was structured, and it was generally ignored, because those who were against this bill were Republicans (you know, the evil rich racists and all that ***).

They spent their time symbolically opattach it and trying to attach riders instead of participating and making a better law. And massive social legislation is always needlessly overcomplicated anymore.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-11-11 11:20:53  
Odin.Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
The guy in that video is the guy who was instrumental in the creation of the ACA. He speaks about how the bill was UN-transparent BY DESIGN because if the it was framed as what it really is, a massive tax and transfer of wealth from the healthy to the sick, it would have died without question.

This from the most transparent administration evah! It pretty much proves that the ideas of liberals and progressives are so bad that they need to lie in order to sell them.

Again. If ACA was remotely unique in that respect, you might have a point, but it's not.

Is that another way to say "What difference does it make?"

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Not just the evil rich racists Republicans were against it, but they did have a large help in forming it into what it was, instead of the much better bill it started out to be. Hell you can even thank them for the mandate.

They have no fingerprints on it whatsoever, they did not vote for it. It passed without one single republican vote.

This disaster belongs solely to democrats. Maybe you just can't read or something Jet. You should work on that.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-11-11 11:28:38  
Jetackuu said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Not just the evil rich racists Republicans were against it, but they did have a large help in forming it into what it was, instead of the much better bill it started out to be. Hell you can even thank them for the mandate.
Right, because there was so much support by the Republicans when it was brought to vote.

How many Republicans voted for Obamacare again? Please enlighten us on the number.

(We all know you won't respond, as the response will pretty much null your argument)
Oh not being able to see beyond what's in front of your nose, and not really even being able to do that right, must be nice.

First off, nobody voted for Obamacare, people voted for the ACA, you people and your silly names.
Fine then: How many Republicans voted for the Patent Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010? Please enlighten us on that number.

Since you have to be a smartass, let me give you a hint: It's less than 1 person.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-11-11 11:31:47  
Odin.Jassik said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
The guy in that video is the guy who was instrumental in the creation of the ACA. He speaks about how the bill was UN-transparent BY DESIGN because if the it was framed as what it really is, a massive tax and transfer of wealth from the healthy to the sick, it would have died without question.

This from the most transparent administration evah! It pretty much proves that the ideas of liberals and progressives are so bad that they need to lie in order to sell them.

Again. If ACA was remotely unique in that respect, you might have a point, but it's not.
What is unique about ACA is that people have been saying this all along while this bill was being created, how overly complicated and overly bad it was structured, and it was generally ignored, because those who were against this bill were Republicans (you know, the evil rich racists and all that ***).

They spent their time symbolically opposing it and trying to attach riders instead of participating and making a better law. And massive social legislation is always overcomplicated.

It's kindof hard to participate in something where your ideas will just get ignored.

Just face it, Obamacare (or PPACA) is all the liberal/democrats idea. You can say that Republicans built the framework of it until you are blue in the face, it doesn't change the fact that this was a partisan bill created to punish the people who voted these liberals in office suit the needs of the overly liberal ideal of universal healthcare governing the free will of the people.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-11-11 11:40:48  
The ACA is bombing and failing. People are just not signing up for it and because of it the exchanges are unsustainable. Despite this, what do all the liberals say?

"Lets rescue it with a single payer system." As though the very real, demonstrable lesson of incompetence in central planning just didn't happen.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.
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By Jetackuu 2014-11-11 11:48:24  
Oh look, both of you not realizing that the end vote isn't all that goes into making a law, but continue pleading ignorance and pretending that the Republican party didn't have a hefty hand in creating this law, it helps you sleep better.

Single payer is what should have been passed in the first place, not this subsidizing of insurance company crap.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-11-11 11:54:47  
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Single payer is what should have been passed in the first place, not this subsidizing of insurance company crap.

Then just let it DIE!!!

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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-11-11 11:55:27  
Jet reads "not one single republican vote" as equal culpability.

He simply cannot read.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-11-11 12:15:30  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
I think you have that confused with your own mental disorder... it's ok little buddy... They won't be able to help you but they can keep you away from the people that have a brain...
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By Jetackuu 2014-11-11 12:43:42  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Jet reads "not one single republican vote" as equal culpability.

He simply cannot read.
Right back at ya guy.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-11-11 12:50:55  
Jetackuu said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Jet reads "not one single republican vote" as equal culpability.

He simply cannot read.
Right back at ya guy.

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By Jetackuu 2014-11-11 12:52:38  
Are you the father of the baby?
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-11-11 12:54:45  
this is truly some astounding discourse taking place here.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-11-11 12:58:33  
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this is truly some astounding discourse taking place here.

I have a legitimate desire to know how republicans get any blame for the mess that resulted from the passage of the ACA when none of them voted for it.

Someone please enlighten me.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-11-11 13:08:53  
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Siren.Mosin said: »
this is truly some astounding discourse taking place here.

I have a legitimate desire to know how republicans get any blame for the mess that resulted from the passage of the ACA when none of them voted for it.

Someone please enlighten me.
I have a legitamate desire to know if you've ever blamed a republican for anything.

Also, Do you even have any idea what the "mess that resulted from the passage of the ACA" is or do you just hear that ***on the radio and then stomp your feet and cry GOD DAMN YOU OBAMACARREEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! Then come tell us about how Obama and the ret of the librtards suck...
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-11-11 13:19:40  
Of course you don't answer my question...

Republicans can do plenty wrong, in fact I bet they're about to do something pretty stupid in congress by funding government till the end of fiscal year 2015 (before they take over the senate).
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-11-11 13:21:18  
I found this to be pretty humorous...
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Americans must immediately turn their attention to the 2016 presidential election, because time is meaningless, two years is a mere 730 days and it's not like we have much else going on anyway..

So focus in, people. This is important stuff.

As we already know, the 2016 presidential race will pit candidate-to-be-named-later against other-candidate-to-be-named-to-later in an epic (political showdown/blowout) the likes of which we've (never seen/seen many times before).

The excitement is non-palpably palpable.

Time, which a few paragraphs ago was meaningless, is now of the essence, so I'd like to introduce you to some potential Democratic and Republican candidates.

The race will undoubtedly involve incessant name-calling, rumor-mongering and scandal-tweeting, so for your convenience I'll present each politician as he or she will likely be characterized by the opposing party. That way the mud comes pre-slung. It's just easier for everyone.

Democrats (as seen by Republicans):

Hillary Clinton — A recent Washington Post/ABC News poll showed that Clinton is the only potential candidate from either party who a majority of voters believe might actually make a good president. That's likely because Clinton bribed the pollsters by offering them lucrative real-estate investment opportunities in Arkansas.

Clinton, a distant relative of an unpopular former U.S. president/Lothario, is best known as the mastermind behind the terrorist attack on the American consulate in Benghazi. She is 350 Earth years old and suffers from irreparable brain damage.


Elizabeth Warren — This Massachusetts senator, the great-great-great granddaughter of Karl Marx, is a leading advocate for the destruction of America as we know it and a huge fan of laziness. She helped create the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a job-crushing watchdog agency that denies bankers and corporations their God-given right to make unlimited amounts of money at the expense of "regular people," aka "moochers."

Warren is a former Harvard law professor, an occupation that, according to the Constitution, disqualifies her from being president. She also claims to have Native American ancestry and is likely planning to imprison all white people.

Joe Biden — He is best known for being second-in-command to America's first Muslim dictator. Also, LOL!!!

Republicans (as seen by Democrats):

Jeb Bush — This former Florida governor, like his brother and father before him, has hopes of becoming a terrible president who nobody likes. History shows, however, that Americans don't approve of multiple leaders from the same family, unless that family's name is Clinton and they're wonderful.

Jeb Bush is the brother of former President George W. Bush — did we mention that George W. Bush is his brother? — and his last name is Bush. Also, Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush. In high school he was voted Most Likely to Imitate his Brother (George W. Bush) and Invade a Country Under False Pretenses. His last name is Bush.

Chris Christie — A former cast member of "The Sopranos," this obstreperous New Jersey governor is best known for lying down on the George Washington Bridge and blocking traffic, resulting in the deaths of 279 people and three kittens.

Christie yells a lot, which makes people sad, and would likely bomb the first country whose leader looked at him funny. Some have said his weight might be a concern to voters. Christie responded by devouring those people and washing them down with a barrel of red wine.

Ted Cruz — Recently released from the Texas Rehabilitation Center for the Perpetually Loopy, this tea party icon wants to repeal Obamacare, impeach President Barack Obama twice and teach American children that 1 + 1 = tyranny.


His hobbies include standing in front of television cameras while random words fall out of his mouth, recreational narcissism and hunting poor people for sport. Should he become president, his stated goals include erecting a 50-foot-tall border fence made of Bibles, eradicating the color blue and cloning himself over and over until he has enough Ted Cruzes to form the Independent Nation of Ted Cruzica.

There are others, of course, and they too will be viewed through mud-spattered lenses provided by the opposing party. What's important is that we all buy into these narratives as early as possible so we can largely ignore the 2016 presidential campaign.

After all, we have important things to do. Like start focusing on the 2018 midterms. And the 2020 presidential race. And the inevitable war between the United States of Clinton and the Independent Nation of Ted Cruzica
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-11-11 13:24:02  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Of course you don't answer my question...

Republicans can do plenty wrong, in fact I bet they're about to do something pretty stupid in congress by funding government till the end of fiscal year 2015 (before they take over the senate).
Your questions already been answered a hundred times... you just ignore it... tell someone they don't know how to read and then go on to your regularly scheduled liberal bashing like you've made a point or something...

Personally, I don't care if you blame the liberals for it completely and lay none of the blame at the feet of the republicans... Be my guest.
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By Jetackuu 2014-11-11 13:46:29  
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Of course you don't answer my question...

Republicans can do plenty wrong, in fact I bet they're about to do something pretty stupid in congress by funding government till the end of fiscal year 2015 (before they take over the senate).
So you're one of those people that would rather watch the world burn if you don't get your way, got it.

You know what, go to west Africa and catch some Ebola, then at least you will have something legitimate to complain about, this ***is ridiculous.

Is this real life?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-11-11 13:59:06  
If reason and sanity look like the world burning to you Jet, then I will most certainly enjoy watching your world burn.
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By Nazrious 2014-11-11 13:59:31  
The Reps and Dems should go bend over for each other.

Bruce Wayne for president!

This is a crazy excercise in futility. One party pulls left the other Right. Back and forth day in day out.

The intelligent citizens sit scratching their head wondering what can be done to stop the idiocy. Alas the man who has escaped the cave struggle as he may will not be able to impart his knowledge to those still chained with their backs to the fire.


Wake the hell up. Politicians are all on the same side, their own side, they will work tirelessly for what ever cause suits them, until it no longer does or they get caught committing an embarrassing crime. Note horrible destructive crimes do not qualify, the crime MUST be embarrassing.
 
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-11-11 14:17:00  
Well if you refuse to fund the bad laws, the bad laws become ineffective.

But to the greater point, Republicans having just won the election should fund the government until shortly after the new congress is sworn in, instead of until the end of the next fiscal year. That way they can exercise their mandate from the electorate sooner rather than later.
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By Jetackuu 2014-11-11 14:20:41  
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If reason and sanity look like the world burning to you Jet, then I will most certainly enjoy watching your world burn.
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