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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-02-28 11:36:24  
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
She is polling at 75% wow.

Yeah African-American voters don't like Bernie. I think it stems from all that negative blacklivesmatter publicity.

He's going to struggle in Texas which has a large black and Latino population.

A rather broad statement to make. A false one at that.
Houston metro has a huge African-American community. Then there's that toxic spill in Sierra Blanca haunting Bernie. He's going to loose in TX.

The Clintons have a formidable relationship built up with the black community, this is true. Most of that is firmest in the South since the ministry community down there loves their southern belle. But to say black voters dont like Bernie? Considering he's the one who's made deeper inroads with organizations stocked with younger folk? All in record time?

Clintons advantage is that she'll be able to get her votes through before her standing with the community further erodes. I'd say for a guy people knew jack ***about 6 months ago has made pretty impressive gains with the black community.

It helps when many of the intellectuals feel he's the better choice than HRC and have thrown support behind him.
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By Jassik 2016-02-28 11:36:31  
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No, other countries took our lead and ran with it, now we're the ones lagging behind.
What are other countries doing better than us? Taking money away from working people and giving it to the poor? This seems to be exactly what you're are saying.

Healthcare, criminal justice, vacation, cost of living, work/life balance, personal savings, end of life care, etc. Basically, everything besides military strength.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-02-28 11:38:26  
There's no going back to the good old days for America. Unless you want to set Asia back 60 years. There's a reason manufacturing went overseas in the first place which hollowed out much of the American dream for what's now the rust belt.

Blame immigrants all you want, when the world globalized under capitalism almighty things like national borders mean ***for multinationals.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2016-02-28 11:42:42  
The US has the top academic institutions internationally. Our public health system isn't begging for international aid, I really could go on. I could easily argue were doing something right other countries aren't.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-02-28 11:43:13  
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I'd say about 15 years early
Pretty much this is the problem with Sanders. It's sad to say but it's clear the US just isn't ready yet. Traditionalism is way too ingrained and that's a huge issue with a 300 mil population.
Like I said in the other thread
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Sanders is really not that extreme. He only is for the US cause it's such a heavily tradionalist country where many still equate socialism to communism. Put Sanders in Europe and he wouldn't even stand out that much.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 11:43:19  
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There's no going back to the good old days for America. Unless you want to set Asia back 60 years. There's a reason manufacturing went overseas in the first place which hollowed out much of the American dream for what's now the rust belt.

I bet your reason isn't the same as my reason..........................

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Healthcare, criminal justice, vacation, cost of living, work/life balance, personal savings, end of life care, etc. Basically, everything besides military strength.

You mean all the things the democrats have screwed up in a push to make us more like the rest of the world. Cool. Socialism for everyone!
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By Jassik 2016-02-28 11:43:35  
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Blame immigrants all you want, when the world globalized under capitalism almighty things like national borders mean ***for multinationals.

Borders mean everything in terms of finance. The problem is we've pushed policies that allow goods in and money out freely, the borders only insulate them against us.

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You mean all the things the democrats have screwed up in a push to make us more like the rest of the world. Cool. Socialism for everyone!

Reagan was a democrat?

Socialist policies have been the counter-balance that kept global capitalism in check in those countries. There's a reason they're ahead of us, and it's not because they aren't more progressive.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 11:47:46  
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Reagan was a democrat?

Socialist policies have been the counter-balance that kept global capitalism in check in those countries. There's a reason they're ahead of us, and it's not because they aren't more progressive.

You assume much. Moderation is key to everything. Again, you refuse to point out "which" country is ahead of us and how. You can't point overseas and go "they are better than us" because you are automatically wrong.
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By Jassik 2016-02-28 11:48:34  
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Jassik said: »
Reagan was a democrat?

Socialist policies have been the counter-balance that kept global capitalism in check in those countries. There's a reason they're ahead of us, and it's not because they aren't more progressive.

You assume much. Moderation is key to everything.

That's why you rail against any moderate idea?
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 11:50:54  
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Altimaomega said: »
Jassik said: »
Reagan was a democrat?

Socialist policies have been the counter-balance that kept global capitalism in check in those countries. There's a reason they're ahead of us, and it's not because they aren't more progressive.

You assume much. Moderation is key to everything.

That's why you rail against any moderate idea?

lol! what "moderate" idea have I railed against?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-02-28 11:52:46  
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Let's put this in visual terms....

You're in a car race. For 50 laps, you're miles ahead, then everyone notices that you're taking turns different and starts doing it your way. They end up being better at it than you are and pass you. You are now way behind. Does that mean you don't have to keep moving forward because you lead for a half the race?

No, other countries took our lead and ran with it, now we're the ones lagging behind.
And the reason we are lagging is those of the campaign contributing class think first about having even more money and not a bit about the country. And they own the majority of our politicians of both parties.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2016-02-28 11:55:05  
I absolutely love the criticism of US's health system. I'd love to see Canada or Sweden handle epidemics like the US. While other countries beg for aid we are sufficient to tackle and provide adequate care for epidemics. It was France and the US who tackled the HIV epidemic. Reagan and Bush handled HIV way better than some countries handled Ebola. Neither systems had treatments available to them.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 11:58:05  
I'd love to see Canadians refused Healthcare in America. (Because theirs is so much better)

Actually I'd love to see America cut off aid to the rest of the world and watch it burn. You know because they are better than us.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-02-28 11:59:21  
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I absolutely love the criticism of US's health system. I'd love to see Canada or Sweden handle epidemics like the US. While other countries beg for aid we are sufficient to tackle and provide adequate care for epidemics. It was France and the US who tackled the HIV epidemic. Reagan and Bush handled HIV way better than some countries handled Ebola. Neither systems had treatments available to them.

When people rail against the healthcare system, they're railing against the experience as a user within the states not power projection on the part of the US.

For a typical healthcare user in the states, the system is a nightmare of complexity, lopsided service and prices so exorbitant most people are one major surgery from bankruptcy. Might as well have that car crash kill you since it'll probably wipe out your nonexistent savings.

But we all know this already.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-02-28 12:00:31  
Waaah. I demand everyone else pay for me!
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 12:01:49  
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For a typical healthcare user in the states, the system is a nightmare of complexity, lopsided service and prices so exorbitant most people are one major surgery from bankruptcy.

So lets ram through the ACA and make it worse instead of trying to actually fix it.
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By Jassik 2016-02-28 12:02:23  
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I absolutely love the criticism of US's health system. I'd love to see Canada or Sweden handle epidemics like the US. While other countries beg for aid we are sufficient to tackle and provide adequate care for epidemics. It was France and the US who tackled the HIV epidemic. Reagan and Bush handled HIV way better than some countries handled Ebola. Neither systems had treatments available to them.

What entity takes control and administers that epidemic response? Where does the money come from?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-02-28 12:02:24  
Both the Sanders and Trump campaign have touched upon the nerve that Americans grow tired of audacious displays of power projection as things here at home continue to deteriorate. Or at least deteriorate within the minds of the voting public.

What the solution is to that depends on your views.

The establishment will claim we dont have money for XYZ but there's always enough money for endless war with little in the way of gains. Tell me, what does the average American feel we got out of Iraq and Afghanistan?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-02-28 12:02:52  
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Waaah. I demand everyone else pay for me!

Says the guy that apparently has never seen an itemized hospital bill.

Or has been denied service due to a preexisting condition.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 12:03:18  
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
I absolutely love the criticism of US's health system. I'd love to see Canada or Sweden handle epidemics like the US. While other countries beg for aid we are sufficient to tackle and provide adequate care for epidemics. It was France and the US who tackled the HIV epidemic. Reagan and Bush handled HIV way better than some countries handled Ebola. Neither systems had treatments available to them.

What entity takes control and administers that epidemic response? Where does the money come from?

Me.

Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Waaah. I demand everyone else pay for me!

Says the guy that apparently has never seen an itemized hospital bill.

Or has been denied service due to a preexisting condition.

Altimaomega said: »
So lets ram through the ACA and make it worse instead of trying to actually fix it.

Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
The establishment will claim we dont have money for XYZ but there's always enough money for endless war with little in the way of gains. Tell me, what does the average American feel we got out of Iraq and Afghanistan?
Huh?
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2016-02-28 12:04:52  
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I absolutely love the criticism of US's health system. I'd love to see Canada or Sweden handle epidemics like the US. While other countries beg for aid we are sufficient to tackle and provide adequate care for epidemics. It was France and the US who tackled the HIV epidemic. Reagan and Bush handled HIV way better than some countries handled Ebola. Neither systems had treatments available to them.

When people rail against the healthcare system, they're railing against the experience as a user within the states not power projection on the part of the US.

For a typical healthcare user in the states, the system is a nightmare of complexity, lopsided service and prices so exorbitant most people are one major surgery from bankruptcy. Might as well have that car crash kill you since it'll probably wipe out your nonexistent savings.

But we all know this already.

I've been unemployed before and medi-cal was fantastic. I experienced BETTER service. Never did I receive a bill, my meds for were always covered. i didn't have to go to a county hospital I got to go to Kaiser.

Even now with insurance my experience is fantastic. My specialists and lab tests are pricey. They're always covered. I pay 20 copay for my specialist. And I pay 50 bucks for my 3000 monthly meds. I can't complain.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2016-02-28 12:07:17  
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I absolutely love the criticism of US's health system. I'd love to see Canada or Sweden handle epidemics like the US. While other countries beg for aid we are sufficient to tackle and provide adequate care for epidemics. It was France and the US who tackled the HIV epidemic. Reagan and Bush handled HIV way better than some countries handled Ebola. Neither systems had treatments available to them.

What entity takes control and administers that epidemic response? Where does the money come from?
Insurance and us government.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-02-28 12:07:31  
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
I absolutely love the criticism of US's health system. I'd love to see Canada or Sweden handle epidemics like the US. While other countries beg for aid we are sufficient to tackle and provide adequate care for epidemics. It was France and the US who tackled the HIV epidemic. Reagan and Bush handled HIV way better than some countries handled Ebola. Neither systems had treatments available to them.

When people rail against the healthcare system, they're railing against the experience as a user within the states not power projection on the part of the US.

For a typical healthcare user in the states, the system is a nightmare of complexity, lopsided service and prices so exorbitant most people are one major surgery from bankruptcy. Might as well have that car crash kill you since it'll probably wipe out your nonexistent savings.

But we all know this already.

I've been unemployed before and medi-cal was fantastic. I experienced BETTER service. Never did I receive a bill, my meds for were always covered. i didn't have to go to a county hospital I got to go to Kaiser.

Even now with insurance my experience is fantastic. My specialists and lab tests are pricey. They're always covered. I pay 20 copay for my specialist. And I pay 50 bucks for my 3000 monthly meds. I can't complain.

Wonderful. If only every American had such a glowing review of the healthcare system. I once got a $50,000 bill for a light procedure. Now if I didn't have insurance I just might have walked into traffic that day.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-02-28 12:07:48  
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Actually I'd love to see America cut off aid to the rest of the world and watch it burn. You know because they are better than us.
Statements like this show very poor desire for being constructive(or just lack of thinking).

No country survives unscathed if isolated, US included. World economy is way too interconnected for this to be viable for anyone. That's why sanctions, boycotts, embargos are disastrous for anyone suffering them.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-02-28 12:08:45  
George Washington tried to warn us...
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By maldini 2016-02-28 12:10:21  
French town bans Arabic and Turkish being taught in schools
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/europe/23975-french-town-bans-arabic-and-turkish-language-courses

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Mayor of the French town of Migennes François Boucher banned on Tuesday teaching Arabic and Turkish languages in the schools under his administration for “security reasons”, Anadolu reported.

Boucher was elected from the center-right Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) that was later renamed The Republicans and is currently led by former President Nicolas Sarkozy.

Migennes Turkish Culture Association Deputy Chairman Faruk Bıyık told Anadolu that Turkish and Arabic classes, which were being given in public schools as part of mother tongue and culture education courses (ELCO), were banned due to “security and terror threats”.

Also read: IESCO condemns French call to ban Islam

Bıyık also said that around 90 students were taking the classes. He and his associates reportedly asked the French Education Academy and provincial governorate about the mayor's decision. Both bodies denied any decision banning the teaching of these two languages.

Despite not meeting with the teachers, Bıyık said that Mayor Boucher accused the teachers of Turkish and Arabic classes of not knowing French, saying that it was unclear where they had come from.

Bıyık described the decision as unjust, noting he would continue efforts to re-introduce the courses.

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In other news: Hilary winning South Carolina was a "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" moment for me.

Watch her contradict herself and lie for 14 minutes straight.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-02-28 12:10:30  
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
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Waaah. I demand everyone else pay for me!

Says the guy that apparently has never seen an itemized hospital bill.

Or has been denied service due to a preexisting condition.
Hospital bills are in large part so ridiculous because we have to pay for everyone who doesn't.

why should your pre-existing condition be someone else's problem?
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 12:11:06  
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Altimaomega said: »
Actually I'd love to see America cut off aid to the rest of the world and watch it burn. You know because they are better than us.
Statements like this show very poor desire for being constructive(or just lack of thinking).

No country survives unscathed if isolated, US included. World economy is way too interconnected for this to be viable for anyone. That's why sanctions, boycotts, embargos are disastrous for anyone suffering them.

Yeah, because America receives so much from the rest of the world.
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By Altimaomega 2016-02-28 12:11:52  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Waaah. I demand everyone else pay for me!

Says the guy that apparently has never seen an itemized hospital bill.

Or has been denied service due to a preexisting condition.
Hospital bills are in large part so ridiculous because we have to pay for everyone who doesn't.

why should your pre-existing condition be someone else's problem?

But.. But.. The ACA was suppose to fix this!
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-02-28 12:12:03  
Lmao. Yeah ok, go back to grow cucumbers or whatever you do in your freetime.
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