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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-17 08:49:58  
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Fed raises rates .25%

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I'm rather appalled that it has taken such a long time of QE and stupidly low interest rates before they could raise it again.

Like I said. Just not beneficial to me right now. I get the big picture.
Can't you lock your interest rate?
The federal government can.

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Can we even call this a raise? That would be paramount to getting a raise from watching Rooks nuke somebody for spoilers.....oh wai...

Again. It's not that big of a deal. I'm just bitching about minutiae. It's the surrounding circumstances that are truly irritating, but you don't want or need those details.

I mean, aside from porn, isn't that what the internet is for? Nitpicking the ***out of every possible flaw you can find?
Unless you have an adjustable or variable rate, I wouldn't worry about this .25% interest raise hike. Hell, it's basically nothing.

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Yeah, just so it's super clear: the next time one of y'all thinks I'm too harsh on things here, remember that that is what I look like when I'm actually angry; anything less than that, and I'm still trying to work things out
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-17 09:07:46  
In liberal doomsday news:

Obamacare fear after tax freeze

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ObamaCare advocates are growing fearful that several key taxes frozen in Wednesday’s budget deal will never go into effect.

The pair of budget deals negotiated by congressional leaders would halt or delay three ObamaCare taxes, forcing the president to make his biggest concession yet since his healthcare law was passed.

Hours after the deal was announced, White House spokesman Josh Earnest downplayed the biggest change – a delay of the Cadillac tax – as “minimal.” But supporters of the law say they’re worried that the delay of these taxes, until after Obama leaves office, will ultimately lead to their demise.
“The fear for advocates of the tax is that once Congress starts delaying it, it won’t last,” said Larry Levitt, a senior vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation and former Clinton administration health adviser.

Most significantly, the legislation would again push back the “Cadillac” tax on employer healthcare benefits – a measure at the center of the Obama administration's efforts to contain healthcare costs.

In total, those changes would take a $35 billion bite out of the law’s revenue stream, according to analyses released by congressional budget scorekeepers on Wednesday.

If the changes to the law are made permanent, it would undermine a key argument for the cost-saving measures in the law. It could also mean that the Affordable Care Act ends up costing taxpayers money.

“If those actually end up as repeals, all the sudden the law that was scheduled to save money in the first decade would cost money in the first decade,” said Loren Adler, research director for the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

“That would flip the sign on the wall, which could be a big thing,” he said.

Alone, the three tax changes would have a small effect on the law, which is projected to save $200 billion over 20 years.

If just the health insurance and medical tax are repealed, multiple healthcare experts said it wouldn’t have any meaningful effect on the healthcare law. The biggest losers would be deficit hawks.

But the delay of the Cadillac tax is different, experts say.

The two-year delay of the Cadillac tax represents the most significant – and costliest – change to the law. Congressional scorekeepers said Wednesday it would cost nearly $20 billion.

The tax has been hailed as a powerful force for controlling health spending. Jason Furman, Obama’s chief economist, delivered an impassioned defense of the tax as recently as Monday, calling it a key piece of the president’s healthcare legacy.

Some opponents of the Cadillac tax had long believed that the Obama administration would ultimately have to nix the tax after officials struck a deal to delay it back in 2010.

Five years later, and under growing pressure from union groups, the administration again agreed to punt.

“There’s been an assumption that Cadillac tax can control costs through magic and as we got closer to its effective date, some of the consequences for worker health benefits have become apparent,” Levitt, the former Clinton health adviser, said. “Anytime you try to control healthcare costs there are tradeoffs.”

Still, some healthcare experts argue it will be tougher to repeal the tax, even with a new president.

“I don’t see the tax getting repealed in full,” said Dan Mendelson, CEO of the healthcare consulting firm Avalere Health.

“Everyone hates taxes, okay, so it is really easy to be against the tax, and it’s easy especially to be against the tax that potentially hurts people who have illness. It’s problematic. But it’s a fiscal reality that repealing a tax is very hard to do,” he said.

So, even though the original date where these taxes were to go into effect wasn't until 2016, they were already saying that delaying these taxes would cost taxpayers $200 billion over 20 years. Expect that this law is already costing taxpayers billions of dollars each year anyway. I mean, these subsidies given have to come from somewhere, and the expenses well exceed revenue already...
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By Ramyrez 2015-12-17 09:11:22  
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Proper nitpicking is better than porn.

You might be underestimating how much I truly adore the female form. Like, I can live without porn videos, those are by and large just smut. But good, unaltered photography of beautiful women?

Art. Truly.

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Unless you have an adjustable or variable rate, I wouldn't worry about this .25% interest raise hike. Hell, it's basically nothing.

Like I said. Surrounding circumstances that aren't strictly financial. Just related.
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By charlo999 2015-12-17 11:30:02  
Here is a roundup of the opinion poll survey and its findings that were talked about earlier. By a Sunni Muslim.

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By maldini 2015-12-17 14:23:26  
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Here is a roundup of the opinion poll survey and its findings that were talked about earlier.

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Simpleton video for the simple minded. Things as messy as the current state of the world don't just happen. There is history and nuance to it. If you want to be a simpleton that's your choice, but keep out of history and politics because it is anything but simple. That type of thinking and idiocy is what perpetuates it. Its part of the problem, not the solution.

Lets first differentiate between the acts that are all lumped together as acts of terrorism. (call me crazy)

82% of the world's "terrorism" occurs in 5 countries.
Iraq : In a state of Civil war. In the Iraqi/Iranian War, the US armed Sadam Hussein's Bathist regime to serve as a regional counterweight to the growing influence of Iran. They empowered a totalitarian dictatorship and they had no qualms at the time with him putting down any and all legitimate resistance to his seat in power. All minorities other than the Ba'athist party supporters were oppressed and persecuted. This includes Sunni, Shi'ia and ethnic kurds. Iran itself had deposed their dictator, the Shah. Because the Shah was so unpopular, once he was deposed the islamic revolutionists turned their attention on his greatest beneficator and supporter; the US (Ayotollah Khomani gave them the nickname the "great satan". It is because of this that Sadam Hussein was suddenly the month's flavor. Few who know any history at all will argue agains the fact that the Shah's Iran was the US's closest ally in the region - rivaling the US's special relationship with Israel.

Following the end of the Iraqi/Iranian war Sadam, the madman, soon invaded the peaceful nation of Kuwait after receiving a nod from Washington. The US dragged Saudi Arabia into the conflict by showing the Saudi Government what is the equivelant of photoshopped Satelite images, showing a build up of Iraq's military on the Saudi border. Saudi Arabia gave the US military bases in its borders. Iraq was defeated. It is at this time that an American asset known as Al-Qaeda, who had been training "freedom" fighters in Afghanistan to fight off foreign threats (namely the USSR during the 80's invasion of Afghanistan - which was a proxy point of the cold-war) for the past 20 years, went rogue and turned on the US and the Saudi regime. Their leader, Osama Bin Laden, a highly trained(by the US) and elite saudi billionar made threats that the US chose to ignore.

Iraq suffered defeat, had sanctions put on it for a decade. Almost a million people died (more than 500k children) during this decade due to lack of medical supplies and overall crippling sanctions. But they left Sadam in power.

During the same decade, Al Qaeda in Afghanistan went undisturbed and unchallenged due to their hosts, the ruling regime, Taliban's protection - despite many warnings from the Arab Gulf States.

9/11 happens. The US retaliates by attacking 2 countries that either had absolutely nothing to do with it in Iraq's case, or were not the perpetraitors in Afghanistan's case (taliban =/= al qaeda and afghanistan =/= taliban). Afhganistan itself was already in a state of civil war as the taliban and northern alliance had been in a state of impasse for 6 years. Iraq was sent back to the stone ages. No WMDs were ever found, no relation or connection to 9/11. The world quickly forgot the lies that Collin Powel (he admitted it), Rumsfeld and *** Cheney told the world. Better yet, the Taliban in Afghanistan were never defeated and the population that supported the US turned against them after a decade of internal strife.

The US, installed a sectarian Shiaa regime in Iraq and withdrew its troops. The shiaa pro-Iranian regime made quick work of settling old scores and committed many atrocities, first targeting ex-ba'athist party members and military generals/commanders, then all sunni's became easy prey. This continued for 3 years. During which Sunni's became radicalized and started to form local militias to resist the new Sectarian, Iranian puppet regime. They had great success as they were backed by some Arab regimes who have been at a state of cold war with Iran, since the Shiaa revolution (that's when they kicked out the american puppet Shah).
Al Qaeda in Iraq capitalized on this, and joint the fight against the Shiaa. They gained a lot of footing making use of the momentum. The sunni tribes, who felt abandoned by the US and left to suffer the persecution of the Iranian backed Shiaa regime, had no issues with Al Qaeda killing off their enemies. The Ex-ba'athist joined this alliance, further bolstering it with their knowledge of military warfare. They did so well, that Al Qaeda in Iraq hijacked their political war and turned it into a religious one. (it was sectarian to start with, and now it became full on radicalized extremism with "death to america" as their slogan)
Al Qaeda HQ backed this for a while, and Al Qaeda Iraq began to spread beyond the Iraqi borders into Syria, where the Arab spring had left the Ba'athist Syrian party there weakened. They (Al Qaeda in Iraq) gained such a firm foothold in Syria, they changed their name to Al Qaeda in the levant. They wanted to rise to power in Syria so much, that they started killing all other militias who were also at war with the Ba'athist Asaad regime. At this point Al Qaeda HQ denounced them. So Al Qaeda in the levant rebranded to "Islamic State in Iraq and Syria - but you know them as ISIS".


Now you can call all of the attacks that occur in Iraq and Syria as "acts of terror" or you can call it what it is, a messy and *** up war with too many powers trying to influence its outcome.

If you define the above as acts of terror, fine. But its not the same as the "terrorists" attacks taking place against foreign/western cities. Those are actual terrorists attacks against a population that is not in the place of war.

82% of the terror attacks you are referring to take place in the countries that have been decimated by war/civil war.

The OVERWHELMING majority of terrorist attacks occuring in the US are not by Islamic extremists/radicals/alqaeda or w/e you want to call it. It is homegrown terrorism, as much as 93% if memory serves correctly.

So you can either continue to watch material that makes your world smaller and simpler, or you can grow up and be a human being and start to learn.

Important to note: Syria and Iraq were SECULAR Arab Nations, not Islamic. Their main rivals and enemies were always Islamists such as the Muslim Brotherhood. But that's another story. I don't want your brain to explode with all this information. Its much easier to just "ugh urr islam"
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-12-17 14:50:43  
The second gulf war was one of the most stupid points in the history of geopolotics.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-12-17 15:00:16  
maldini said: »
Simpleton video for the simple minded. Things as messy as the current state of the world don't just happen. There is history and nuance to it. If you want to be a simpleton that's your choice, but keep out of history and politics because it is anything but simple. Your type of thinking and idiocy is what perpetuates it. You're part of the problem, not the solution. If anything the world would be better served spending billions or trillions rehabilitating morons like you.

I'm not a fan of Charlo either, but personal attacks like this are just begging for the banhammer.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-12-17 15:05:07  
Barely 24 hours has passed since the .25% raise and all hell has broken loose here!

The prophecy was true!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-12-17 15:14:54  
In other news, California has determined that aloe vera extract causes cancer. I thought that stuff was supposed to be good for the skin or something like that... guess not, unless it's not what I'm thinking.

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By fonewear 2015-12-17 15:19:46  
Janet Yellen has predicted the world will end in 2016 !
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By fonewear 2015-12-17 15:20:41  
Hurry up and sell all your stock people ! It's time to panic !
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By fonewear 2015-12-17 15:26:20  
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In other news, California has determined that aloe vera extract causes cancer. I thought that stuff was supposed to be good for the skin or something like that... guess not, unless it's not what I'm thinking.

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I think living in CA causes aloe vera too !

So my aloe vera spa concept is a no go...back to cryo therapy it is !


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By fonewear 2015-12-17 15:28:23  
The cold it's good for the cells me thinks !

This is how Walt Disney has managed to stay alive forever !
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2015-12-17 15:32:28  
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In other news, California has determined that aloe vera extract causes cancer. I thought that stuff was supposed to be good for the skin or something like that... guess not, unless it's not what I'm thinking.

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Shame the link doesn't include the actual study. Seems that CA automatically labels a substance as carcinogenic if the International Agency for Research on Cancer deems it "possibly carcinogenic to humans". Would've been interesting to read the actual report. Think it was already known to be carcinogenic when ingested though.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-12-17 15:37:43  
I feel I missed some starwars driven drama, can someone point me to rooks getting mad?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-17 15:42:12  
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I feel I missed some starwars driven drama, can someone point me to rooks getting mad?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-17 15:43:04  
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
In other news, California has determined that aloe vera extract causes cancer. I thought that stuff was supposed to be good for the skin or something like that... guess not, unless it's not what I'm thinking.

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Haven't we come to the conclusion that California is known to cause cancer?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-12-17 15:50:37  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
In other news, California has determined that aloe vera extract causes cancer. I thought that stuff was supposed to be good for the skin or something like that... guess not, unless it's not what I'm thinking. Source
Haven't we come to the conclusion that California is known to cause cancer?

In an effort to make the list shorter, California is instead planning on releasing a list of things that don't cause cancer.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-12-17 15:58:58  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
I feel I missed some starwars driven drama, can someone point me to rooks getting mad?
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I missed that event.

Rook's use of the phrase dirt merchant made me lol for real reading it though.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-17 15:59:00  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
In other news, California has determined that aloe vera extract causes cancer. I thought that stuff was supposed to be good for the skin or something like that... guess not, unless it's not what I'm thinking. Source
Haven't we come to the conclusion that California is known to cause cancer?

In an effort to make the list shorter, California is instead planning on releasing a list of things that don't cause cancer.
That's their "to-do" list.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-12-17 15:59:42  
Today's dose of holiday cheer:
Shkreli, CEO slammed over drug prices, out on $5M bail
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-17 16:01:24  
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He wasn't arrested for raising prices on prescription drugs by the way. Just to set that straight, he was arrested for securities fraud, something completely different. Some people are trying to tie the two together, for the weak minded to eat up.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-12-17 16:04:45  
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Oh yeah someone posted something about that on Facebook earlier and I "liked" it. Something like America's most hated man arrested on fraud and it just showed the guy's picture and I knew the gist of what they were talking about. I glimpse at the actual story real quick, but quickly forgot to mentioned that as the aloe vera thing stuck in my head instead.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-17 16:06:21  
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Something like America's most hated man arrested on fraud
Obama was arrested for fraud???
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-12-17 16:12:09  
I saw somewhere that Shkreli faces up to a maximum of 20 years in prison. The bail might be chump change to him, but 20 years of his life wouldn't be.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-12-17 16:17:17  
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Something like America's most hated man arrested on fraud
Obama was arrested for fraud???
Eh, Obama isn't the most hated, he's just not really good at this job or being a leader, which is kinda what he should be doing, or at minimum find some little thing that can unite all people on some small scale... idk, I wouldn't labeled him as being most hated, just not very good at being president.
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By fonewear 2015-12-17 16:44:18  
Oh Obama is going to be on with Bear Grylls !


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By fonewear 2015-12-17 16:46:00  
Obama is going to hunt prey in the wilderness I mean hunt Hillary in the wilderness !
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By fonewear 2015-12-17 16:48:55  
Later Obama says ISIS is hiding out in Alaska with Sara Palin.
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