Random Politics & Religion #00

Looks like a menorah lol

Harvest festival is moronic. Thanksgiving is a US holiday, it's not religious in nature.

Christmas, however, is completely correct. While Santa might not be strictly religious, as depictions of him vary vastly and are found in all kinds of cultures, "christmas"/angels/"under god" are all absolutely off-limits in a public school. If kids want to say a prayer or tell each other "merry christmas", that's fine, but the school can't be involved.

I wonder how those outraged parents and students would feel if they also put up decorations and celebrated Mawlid al-Nabi (muhammad's birthday).

Yeah, I can't imagine anything more detrimental to a child's devolopment than the mention of a holiday that practically everyone in the U.S. celebrates, even if only in a secular nature.

Whatever, let this school do what it wants. I'm glad a vast majority of other schools will still be able to operate with some common sense.


One form of stupidity is not erased by the stupidity of the opposition. I've seen multiple instances of schools that catered to the diversity of their own student bodies when it came to holidays and I never heard anyone complain. Instead of celebrating diversity, let's just whitewash it so nobody gets their feels hurt, amirite?

It's not about whether it's detrimental to the children's development. It is unlawful for any publicly owned organization to endorse any religious symbolism or verbiage. Christmas with Santa and the North Pole and all that jazz isn't necessarily religious, but when you throw in Jesus and angels, it's unlawful.

I said they're being obtuse with the "harvest festival" and whatnot, it's ridiculous. But, even if there's an element of "feelz" in their idea of diversity, not displaying religious symbolism in school isn't "feelz" it's the law. The same law that grants religious people the right to practice their religion bars it from being endorsed by the state. You just can't have it both ways. Don't minimize the importance of a secular government just because you're in the majority.

I draw a clear distinction between endorsing religion and acknowledging its existence. If a public school hung a giant "Jesus is the reason for the season" banner, I would call that highly inappropriate. Allowing Christmas decorations but disallowing Hanukkah decorations? Highly inappropriate. Having a student choir sing "Silent Night" at a Christmas concert as part of a program of classic Christmas songs? Who the frick cares, get over it. Doing what that principal did is a solution for feeble minds who can only handle black and white extremes.

Those feeble minds sue and win because they're right. I'm sure you would rather have no christmas in school than have them paying out large chunks of an already meager budget in judgments and legal fees.

The guy went a little overboard, but that's the nature of today's litigious society.

I think decorations and stuff for xmas are fine, it's all pagan anyway and something that just creates a pleasant atmosphere and offends no one. Though, at least over here, children are forced to sing religious xmas songs(and sometimes pray too), and that is most definetely not fine.

Can I light them on fire?

only if you scream "nobody move, we're here for your money!!!" first squeaky fromme

Lol. They're "right"? Let's take a look at one of the few cases that the Supreme Court actually heard. Lynch v. Donnelly

If you say so.

I never knew that Christmas could be considered so evil to certain people...

If it is something that a liberal finds annoying, it is evil.

Oh look happy people celebrating Christmas. I am miserable. LETS GET 'EM!

someone quick play some christmas music, these guys are getting feisty.

Let her worry about her own issues.

As long as she doesn't demand us to change to her ways, then she can *** about anything she wants.

PARKER Edit: see what happens when you take out christmas!!!!

My post wasn't hard to read, try again and notice how I said there's nothing wrong with xmas decorations around the school, but nobody should be forced into religious rituals(such as songs about Jesus and praying).

Wow 3 of you couldn't read two sentences.

No, we read your sentence just fine.

Maybe you should read what I quoted you in saying.

Do you need me to hold your hand and help you read what you wrote? I could also give you a cookie and tell you what a good little girl you are for reading what you wrote.

Read that an SAS sniper took out 5 guys with 3 bullets. Thought it was pretty dope that 1 bullet killed 3 of them.

Not evil, just compulsory and unavoidable.

Then why is it being demonized?

How harmful is it to sing "Silent Night" anyway?

Rally up the Starbucks cup crowd, the "war on Christmas" continues!

At first I thought this was a bit much. Even over here in the UAE we have all the malls playing xmas songs and trees decorated everywhere. At work, we just drew secret santas today and in the mornings from 8 am to 8:30 am the office speakers play xmas songs.

And this is officially a Muslim country. But we respect other people's beliefs and traditions and want them to feel as much at home as possible.

But after reading the debate between Jassik and Ravael, I have realized that it is actually best to remove all religious branding from schools.

I view religion as something very personal. But have seen how it can be politicized, commercialized and used to manipulate the masses. When used in such ways, it can create intolerance and xenophobia. this coming from a spiritual and strong muslim might sound alien, but a lot of us feel that way. You can't market religion. You can only make it accessible to those who want it. If one really wants to market religion, let them do so by being a living embodiment of that religion's values and principles.

My opinion has also changed because I believe religion is sacred and not something to be commercialized and monetized. I have seen my own religion manipulated by all sides to justify their ambitions.

Christians, in my opinion, who really hold their religion sacred should feel the same way. Christmas season is all about the $$$ for corporations. There's nothing to stop individuals from gathering with their families during the christmas season and appreciating everything it represents. But it shouldn't be given more space and voice than any other religion. Let people choose their own beliefs.

French teacher invented Aubervilliers school attack

Anything that promotes silent peaceful nights that share love and presents is inherently evil I tells ya !

I'd do so far as we should ban Christmas lest people get offended by all the good will and cheer among men. That is very sexist !

While we are at banning offensive things can we ban FFXIAH (think was already suggested but was good idea) from the internet someone might get offended.


South Park knows what to do for those offended by Christmas:

We sing songs too and have a Lucia procession but it's not religious in nature anymore (hasn't been for quite a while). Some of the songs are Christian but no one thinks of it that way these days.

It's this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkTVT59wfYQ

Christmas over here isn't about Jesus or anything Christian, it's about family and the giant Yule Goat

Because it is compulsory and unavoidable? Would you be comfortable with being forced to sing songs that worship any particular deity?
Why not Cthulu?

#banyulegoats

I'd worship that goat.

It's a pretty big goat.