Random Politics & Religion #00

God is not a pencil(afaik), therefore it's beyond the physical world. And so are concepts such as faith, soul, consciousness, and things of the sort.

I'm not a pencil, am I beyond the physical world? :)

If were going into Doomsday talk, I'd rather go on about some new military operation since Jade Helm 15 was disappointing.

Was what I said so hard to understand? The pencil was just an example of something physical.

The world isn't ending in 20 years(meteors pending), that's just strawtalk from the opposition...
But plants and animal species worldwide are already being affected by the climate changes, which will inevitably have repercussions on mankind too. That's without even going on the issue of extreme weather phenomena, especially in new places where they are completely unprepared(also already happening).

ISIS is the new threat I'm worried about. They could be anywhere even in my own house !

Well here's a fun fact, 99% of all species that existed on Earth at one point are now extinct.

Don't worry if we can clone a sheep. We can clone ourselves so our clones will be extinct too !

Science can save use you just have to believe in it !

The physical live by physical means like the animals do, knowing only what is natural, knowing nothing of the spiritual things.

Earlier today I got email from my boss saying they need a quick paper titled "An Introduction to Fascism." It was about the second Sino-Japanese war and relating it to Italian fascism. I was supposed to be on break, but I was like sure not a problem for that subject. They were like yeah we'll make sure this payment gets tacked onto to my paycheck on Thursday, tossed some more Yuan at me when I first hesitated, then was like "OK (hides excitement)." lol

Back to my vacation now, hopefully.

And...?
I really rarely even understand what you're saying when I talk to you.

Most of which as a chain effect. Species are interconnected, humans are not exempt from this.

All this climate nonsense.

P&R, U so Cray-zay...

It's not nonsense. The kids I don't have will live in a terrible world with 1 degree warmer sea temperature, droughts, floods. And I won't be there to give a damn !

Good thing you're not into politics. It sure is one hell of an issue when our politicians don't think projected into the future.

Fun, sure (and a bit dubious). Not relevant to ecological concerns, however.

500yrs from now, barring any nuclear apocalyptic doomsday scenario, human beings might have left earth behind regardless of climate disorder. Technology is and has been skies the limit. Who knows.

And America's Republicans are united in preventing just that.

Republicans seek to strangle Paris climate pact
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Or the earth may have left us behind.

Gets even crazier if you start counting the bacteria and microorganisms that existed prior to the atmosphere becoming oxygenated.

The microorganisms in your body out number your own body cells 10 to 1.

How is that dubious? Life on this planet has been around for 3.5-4 billion years. Even low estimates put it at closer to 99.72% extinction.

That just means you don't understand the nature of the argument. Your focusing too much on the pawns and not the ones moving them. "Pro-life" is about increasing population counts more then anything. Industrialized nations need larger worker class populations to prosper, otherwise you start running into the Japanese problem where their entire economy stagnates due to too many old people and not enough young people supporting them.

This is not a men's vs woman's issue, otherwise the pro-lifers would of pushed to remove all forced male labor, it's an economic one by a faction that believes we need more young people from middle class backgrounds (predominately white). See it for what it really is and you can successfully argue against it.

Personally I believe that a women should be allowed to terminate whenever she wants because I, as a human, can not morally force an action upon her. In that same line of argument I believe all child support should be voluntary and that a male should have the ability to waive all future parental rights in exchange for being made a slave.

And yes before all you progressives blow your collective gaskets, being forced to work under the threat of jail is, by definition, indentured servitude. A family court ordering a male to pay a certain amount of money every month, under the treat of indefinite incarceration, is indentured servitude which is a reprehensible practice. It's only tolerated because it doesn't hurt women which just goes to show how deeply embedded gynocentrism is in our western culture.

Eh, just uncited. It's more that I don't understand the persective as a response to a post about modern extinctions.

He went to Alaska, saw climate change himself! He seriously Sarah Palin'd that at the summit.

I can see Russia climate change from my house!

On a side note, I've now posted on pages 1, 11, 111, and 1111 of this thread. I'm probably going to need psychological help if this ever hits 11111 and I'm still posting in here.

Imagine if all the students had been armed. Then nobody would have died during this bad idea.

And?
This "Earth suffered worse conditions" argument that is often thrown around really doesn't make much sense. It would if we were a bunch of hippies wanting to save Mother Gaia, but that's not the point. We're trying to preserve the planet not in itself, a rock will stay a rock, but for us(and if we're good enough preserve other species too, or at least those that affect us - which is many).

Meanwhile 154 companies have adhered to the America Business Act on Climate Change(emissions reduction).

You really don't get it yet, the sheer scope of what your talking about and the folly to believe you can actually have an impact on it.

You can't "preserve the planet not in itself". This is outside the bounds of human capability. We are small and insignificant in comparison to an entire planet's biosphere. We could kill off thousands of species and that planet would just continue creating thousands more as though we had never existed. We could set off every nuclear weapon in the world, the culmination of our destructive power, and the end effect would be a decade or two of temperate climate then right back to normal as though we had never let them off to begin with. I'm not exaggerating, the US Military actually commissioned several studies on the long term effects of a world wide nuclear war and the national defense requirements to survive such an event. The results of these studies were pretty consistent and unanimous, there simply isn't enough fissionable material available to the worlds population to effect serious long term change. There was a ton of "nuclear winter / Armageddon / post-apocalyptic wasteland" non-sense hysteria going around back then, pushed by an imaginative, ignorant, anti-war Hollywood. It was in the US's best interests for the citizens to remain ignorant so they never released the results of the studies to the public until their declassification dates had expired.

We humans are perfectly capable of effecting our local ecology's on a geologically short term basis. Pollution can really wreck havoc on local biology, yet give it a hundred years and it'll be right back to wherever it was going in the first place. Which brings up a point you deliberately ignore, to your own ignorance. The world is not a static place, it's constantly changing, every minute of every day there is something new being created and something old being destroyed. The planet is in a perpetual state of creation and destruction, and nothing you, or anyone else, can do will stop this process. Whatever change you do is only a short term change and the planet will eventually continue doing exactly what it was doing in the first place, and in surprisingly short order. If the planet was going to warm 1C in fifty years, then it will warm 1C in fifty years and there is absolutely jack ***we humans can do to change it, in either direction. This has been proven by over eighteen years of no statistically significant warming even though your evil satanic CO2 has continued to be produced by China, India and other developing nations.

Global Warming, which is what your trying to get at, is dead. Your pissed that your golden opportunity to force a Socialist Utopian social system down everyone's throats, under the guise of "saving you from yourselves" has passed. Nobody is actually taking it seriously anymore and they just pay lip service to it to appease you radical believers. Now it's about how to use that residual fear and dogmatic religion to best accomplish power plays and political agendas. There's gonna be a lot of "talk" but very little actual action towards such a goal.

Something you guys can use to visualize whats happening.

http://woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1998/to:2014/trend/plot/rss/from:1998/to:2014

RSS MSU Lower Trop is the satellite data for the atmosphere and it started around 1980. You can see a rise from 1980 to 1990 the a meteoric obscene rise around 1998, which is what caused all the AGW hysteria, then it flat lines after 1998 until 2014 with a slight decreasing trend. That lead up to 1998 happened to also correspond with higher solar activity which has slowed down considerably since then. Anyhow we've had this debate already, several times in fact, and you can't argue yourself right. The world is going to continue doing what it's been doing for the past four billion years, and nothing we do will have any effect on that. That is how small and insignificant you are in the grand scheme of things.

You realize that it's literally a meaningless piece of paper right? It means absolutely nothing as a company can "sign" it and then proceed to burn charcoal infused trees outside it's main headquarters while racing 8MPG cars for the companies career day and have absolutely no effect. It's one of those "feel good" things that make people like you feet proud and responsible for doing absolutely nothing.

Hell your not even American why the *** do you care. Seriously why do all you non-Americans give a flying *** on what happens inside America. I swear you spend more time trying to muck around American culture and politics then you do your own countries.