Random Politics & Religion #00

Missouri student VP: 'I'm tired of people using the first amendment to say whatever they want'.

Congrats liberals, you successfully coddled the next generation into a generation of fascists.

College students say a lot of dumb things, news at 11.

Seriously, though, does no one actually understand the first amendment anymore? It feels like we as a nation used to have a better grasp on the concept, but that might just be my oldness talking.

Not a jab, genuinely curious. I'm trying to understand what is the big problem you have with someone willingly taking a job as a server under those conditions of "bust your *** and you might be able to make some decent money." Why does a certain section of the populations seek to outlaw that kind of agreement? Is it because it doesn't always work out that way? That is a risk both parties are willing to take.

It's not a dead end job by it's nature, you meet many people, some jerks and some not. You might actually meet people whom you can network with later on. I mean I viewed it that way, it lead to other jobs in college.

I eat lunch at the local UNOs often (even though UNO's is absolutely dreadful) the turnover rate for their serving staff is astronomical. The manager knows me as an acquaintance and every time I ask about it she tells me that the people she hires are unreliable and pretty much eventually don't want to come in and bust their *** to make their pay, they'd rather sit on their butts and be lazy. She in turn doesn't offer them the better shifts (why would she) and they complain about how much money they don't make.

Why is she obligated to put poorer performing servers in the prime time slots for the restaurant? Why should she not be allowed to decide how to best serve her customers?

The FBI has expanded its probe of Hillary Clinton’s emails, with agents exploring whether multiple statements violate a federal false statements statute, according to intelligence sources familiar with the ongoing case.

Seriously, though, does no one actually understand the first amendment anymore? It feels like we as a nation used to have a better grasp on the concept, but that might just be my oldness talking.

See, you say things like this and I have hope for you my friend.

Funny how it's generally the faux conservatives who talk about achievement nonstop but grew up with money and work in daddy's office.

With very few exceptions, everyone has had to work hard in their life. Some much harder than others, and often having that experience is what shapes their opinions. IS it not possible that someone could come to a different conclusion than you without having been carried through life?

You don't actually know my politics, I assure you. I obfuscate them in my role here on purpose so that neither side gets to call "bias!" on me.

Kids today are being taught a liberal agenda that seeks to indoctrinate that political disagreement from the agenda is (and can only be) "hate speech" and should not be tolerated.

You don't actually know my politics, I assure you. I obfuscate them in my role here on purpose so that neither side gets to call "bias!" on me.

Just throwing this out there to both of you.

Ever think maybe there's so middle ground and that it is extremelyrare that anything is ever 100% one way or another?

It's just easier to think it is so your position is more sympathetic or persuasive.

Much like my own dislikes of corporations. They're not all terrible. Probably even a majority aren't. But there are still many that are and I let that flavor my view of them as a whole too much sometimes.

There are sympathetic figures in all walks of life and detestable ones.

The trick is checking your experiences with the bad ones and no letting that color your treatment of the good ones.

And frankly, that's something we all need to do a little bit better hereabouts, methinks.

Everyone wants to be the aggrieved party. Everyone wants to be viewed as the persecuted. No one wants to back down from any stance ever.

There's a degree of truth in your comment, but when you word it as such you realize it makes you sound tinfoil hatty, right?

As I said about the rich/poor/entitled/etc. argument above, so it goes here; there's a whole lot of vacant middle ground these days and these polar opposites constantly digging in and butting heads is causing a *** of a lot of unnecessary problems in our country right now. Everyone wants to be the aggrieved party. Everyone wants to be viewed as the persecuted. No one wants to back down from any stance ever.

That's a recipe for militant levels of absurdity. See: religious terrorists.

jibe!=jab

I don't believe a single person said anything about making it illegal.

Dead end means there is no opportunity for advancement. In any given restaurant, there might be 15 servers, and 1-2 managers. Making the jump from server to manager is generally a pay cut or at least not a raise, and the chance of moving from there to any kind of regional position with server credentials is basically nil. That's what dead end means.

I don't know anything about the restaurant you're talking about, but here's the rub... If you take a job knowing what it is then decide to complain and not show up, that's on you. That doesn't excuse an industry for strong-arming people with few options. And there is nothing wrong with restaurants moving to a more standard pay model, in fact, some have always been a no-tip model and very successful.

Tips should be a reward for good service, not a mandatory extra cost levied against the patrons so the restaurant doesn't have to compensate employees for their time.

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Yes, there are bad corporate practices out there, and by pointing them out and demonizing them, they will change for the better. But most corporate practices (and corporations/businesses) are there for the betterment of the company, consumer, and employees.

I would think that greater than 95% of corporate practices are good for the economy/society as a whole. Most likely greater than 99%. But you only hear about the very few bad ones, which warps your perception on corporations as a whole.

Not everyone.

I personally don't file myself as any of the above. Especially the "back down from any stance ever" portion, which I have publicly stated when I'm wrong.

Unfortunately, I seem to be the only one here who does that. Maybe I'm an outlier?

Everyone's talking about getting rid of it. I doubt outlawing it has never crossed anyone's mind, but if I am indeed mistaken then "oops my bad".

It boils down to what you think "proper" compensation is for their job. If you take tipping out of the equation, you're just largely dictating that everyone gets paid the same no matter how they perform. I doubt there are many servers that don't make the federal "minimum wage" for the time they are there when you tack on tips to the wage given. Alternatively if you want servers to be better compensated then go out and tip them more.

I don't believe the well being of an employee should be dependant on the whims of the customers. I am supportive of the restaurants who just calculate it in the bill.

You are an optimist.

Maybe. But viewing yourself as above the problem and immune to bias views is a little arrogant and probably wrong.

I don't believe the well being of an employee should be dependent on the whims of the customers.

You have no experience in business, how can you determine what is true and what is not?

Out of everyone here on this forum, who other than I have had any executive business experience? Who here other than I have seen how business practices work, period?

Your viewpoints are based by your limited knowledge by people who looks from the outside and still do not understand how business works (aka the media). So, who's opinion is qualified again?

I think tipping is stupid and would rather pay a bit more at one restaurant because they give their servers a decent wage than go somewhere cheaper where they're treated badly.

Out of everyone here on this forum, who other than I have had any executive business experience? Who here other than I have seen how business practices work, period?

Welcome to capitalism 101 sweetheart. Where customers dictate the ability to pay for one's employees.

Without customers, there is no business. No business means no employment.

Every industry is dependent on the whims of the customers. You should get used to that concept.