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 Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-10-14 01:01:54
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »I wasn't able to watch the debate, but it appears that the major news websites are unanimous in their belief that both Clinton and Sanders came off looking better after the debate, with the others seen as losing it. Sanders had many more Google hits, though, which plays big for him as the underdog.
O'Malley helped Clinton immensely in two attacks against Sanders. They attacked him against his gun control policies as well as his electibility as a socialists.
Best line of the night: "WE ARE NOT DENMARK"
Everyone is giving Sanders the "best line of the night" with the email quip. Just because you like Clinton doesn't make her automatically the winner of every debate and Sanders the loser. The best indication will be in the upcoming polls.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2015-10-14 02:54:16
Just because you Americans like Clinton doesn't make her automatically the winner of every debate and Sanders the loser. The best indication will be in the upcoming polls. FTFY :)
Polls lol Polls come out every day and fluctuate. The only thing that matters is the actual primary vote.
Sander's did well, he would have done better had he stuck to his moderate gun stance...but we all knew that wasn't going to happen. He was very passionate on stage, moreso than Clinton. Her delivery was just too perfect, too mono-tone, and too rehearsed. I think both leading candidates did well and had their faults tonight.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-14 08:43:05
Looks like the drip drip drip strategy Clinton is employing for her scandalous methods is working at least on the base.
Who cares if she beaks the law, we're sick of hearing about it!
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-10-14 08:44:17
It's a bit curious and also fascinating how you americans treat these pre-election debates like they're a sport match!
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By Jetackuu 2015-10-14 08:49:01
It's a bit curious and also fascinating how you americans treat these pre-election debates like they're a sport match!
I couldn't care less about them.
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-10-14 08:50:03
"I watch for the funny commercials. "
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-10-14 08:52:07
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Just because you Americans like Clinton doesn't make her automatically the winner of every debate and Sanders the loser. The best indication will be in the upcoming polls. FTFY :)
Which Americans? The majority that see her as dishonest, or the ones who will only vote for her because they're Democrats and they want to see a Democrat win?
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Polls lol Polls come out every day and fluctuate. The only thing that matters is the actual primary vote.
That's good to hear. I was concerned that my candidate that was polling at 1% wasn't doing well, but I'm sure glad to know that polls don't mean anything! I should buy some plane tickets ahead of time for their inauguration.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-14 08:53:12
It's a bit curious and also fascinating how you americans treat these pre-election debates like they're a sport match!
I did not watch as I valued keeping my dinner in my stomach. However if it had more closely resembled a steel cage match instead of a frendly game of grabass, I would have viewed it.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-10-14 08:54:17
The democrats lack a Trump in the midst to spice up the party.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-14 08:54:59
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Just because you Americans like Clinton doesn't make her automatically the winner of every debate and Sanders the loser. The best indication will be in the upcoming polls. FTFY :)
Which Americans? The majority that see her as dishonest, or the ones who will only vote for her because they're Democrats and they want to see a Democrat win?
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Polls lol Polls come out every day and fluctuate. The only thing that matters is the actual primary vote.
That's good to hear. I was concerned that my candidate that was polling at 1% wasn't doing well, but I'm sure glad to hear that polls don't mean anything! I should buy some plane tickets ahead of time for their inauguration.
Both of you are right. Polls can be manipulated quite a bit, but probably not enough that those down at 1% have any prayer.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-14 08:55:33
The democrats lack a Trump in the midst to spice up the party.
I betcha trump got more twitter buzz than the debate did.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-10-14 08:57:15
It's a bit curious and also fascinating how you americans treat these pre-election debates like they're a sport match!
It is supposed to be a good opportunity for lesser known candidates that do NOT have a billion dollars in their campaign war chests to present themselves to the American voters fairly and with about equal time. The debates are why we have President Obama and not President Clinton. The Clinton News Network did their best last night to make sure that does not happen again.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-10-14 08:58:40
Both of you are right. Polls can be manipulated quite a bit, but probably not enough that those down at 1% have any prayer.
Exactly. I'm sick of hearing about how polls don't mean anything. People like their statements black and white, but the reality is that they're very useful for gauging the current political environment. The methodology on a lot of them needs work and there is obviously variation and bias, but saying they're useless is just stupid.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-14 09:02:43
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »It's a bit curious and also fascinating how you americans treat these pre-election debates like they're a sport match!
It is supposed to be a good opportunity for lesser known candidates that do NOT have a billion dollars in their campaign war chests to present themselves to the American voters fairly and with about equal time. The debates are why we have President Obama and not President Clinton. The Clinton News Network did their best last night to make sure that does not happen again.
Except for Chaffee, good god he is an embarrassment to elected officials everywhere. He was entirely on the wrong stage last night. I wouldn't trust him to run a kindergarten class.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-10-14 09:02:56
The democrats lack a Trump in the midst to spice up the party.
Bernie Sanders is playing that role.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-10-14 09:03:55
Trump is a clown, no one of the others of either party has the same role..
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-10-14 09:05:07
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »It's a bit curious and also fascinating how you americans treat these pre-election debates like they're a sport match!
It is supposed to be a good opportunity for lesser known candidates that do NOT have a billion dollars in their campaign war chests to present themselves to the American voters fairly and with about equal time. The debates are why we have President Obama and not President Clinton. The Clinton News Network did their best last night to make sure that does not happen again.
Except for Chaffee, good god he is an embarrassment to elected officials everywhere. He was entirely on the wrong stage last night. I wouldn't trust him to run a kindergarten class.
The role of O'Malley and Chaffee is to make it appear that this is not a coronation. They were so pathetic they destroyed that illusion.
The debate shut out Jim Webb because they know that if people listen to him and learn about him and what he has done that they will like him, a lot.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-10-14 09:07:37
Trump is a clown, no one of the others of either party has the same role..
Bernie Sanders is a clown in appearance, speech, body language and policy. In his Presidency he is promising to increase spending by over 18 trillion dollars on all of his free stuff. He looks like a crazy old man shouting and literally spitting why he rants.
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By Jetackuu 2015-10-14 10:36:23
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »he is promising to increase spending by over 18 trillion dollars on all of his free stuff No, he isn't.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-10-14 11:16:23
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »I wasn't able to watch the debate, but it appears that the major news websites are unanimous in their belief that both Clinton and Sanders came off looking better after the debate, with the others seen as losing it. Sanders had many more Google hits, though, which plays big for him as the underdog.
O'Malley helped Clinton immensely in two attacks against Sanders. They attacked him against his gun control policies as well as his electibility as a socialists.
Best line of the night: "WE ARE NOT DENMARK"
Ehhh...I wouldn't call it an "attack". That might be over-exaggerating. Sanders and O'Malley were a bit critical of Clinton when the subject of Syria/Putin's aggression came around the bend. Sanders, Clinton and O'Malley were all pretty cordial to each other in comparison to the GOP debate. I could see Littlefinger-Carcetti as a running mate.
Webb's whining over time allotted at every turn was off-putting.
Clinton actually came off less robotic than usual, which was somewhat refreshing.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-14 11:34:20
No one was critical of Clinton. They are all falling in line for her expected coronation. I guess they all think she's got the best shot.
Which. Is. Pathetic.
I mean do liberals here see any bias in how cnn treats dens vs republicans? It was only on ultimate display last night.
The other take away from last night, Hilary does kinda shine when she knows no one is ever going to challenge her.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-10-14 11:41:42
It's a bit curious and also fascinating how you americans treat these pre-election debates like they're a sport match! Its how our media presents the whole presidential contest.
Face it, our presidential campaign season is now 46 months long. They have to present it like a sports match to keep interest up. Compare our coverage of the presidential contest with the coverage of the world cup.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-10-14 11:54:06
For you guys
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-10-14 12:06:27
No one was critical of Clinton. They are all falling in line for her expected coronation. I guess they all think she's got the best shot.
Which. Is. Pathetic.
I mean do liberals here see any bias in how cnn treats dens vs republicans? It was only on ultimate display last night.
The other take away from last night, Hilary does kinda shine when she knows no one is ever going to challenge her.
I think we can both agree that the media has their hands in the "coronation" process, but there were times in which I think the responses to the questions posed toward Hillary's service as Secretary of State were cut short to maybe(?) save face.
Either way, we've been following Gary Johnson (L) and Martin O'Malley, though neither are likely contenders. Just fed up with all of it at this point. Our votes are throw-aways in this state anyway. May as well stick to principle.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-14 12:09:55
That's why trump appeals to me. not gonna change anything voting he same clowns back in place.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-10-14 12:23:48
That's why trump appeals to me. not gonna change anything voting he same clowns back in place.
Though not a fan of Trump, fair enough.
Can't help but be a little blase when people are giving into the circus whether Democrat or Republican. Until we finally get a viable third-party alternative...
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-10-14 12:34:49
We need someone who isn't under the thumb of the donor class.
And we also need someone who isn't a democratic socialist (like the nazis). That's trump (and maybe Cruz).
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2015-10-14 14:22:20
That's why trump appeals to me. not gonna change anything voting he same clowns back in place.
I might vote for Trump. He isn't a horrendous candidate as the media paints him out to me. He's a smart businessman and he's very confident. I don't agree with his immigration policies, and certainly his racist remarks against Mexicans. However, I much rather have Trump in office than someone who wants to tax me 60% to become the next Denmark.
That's trump (and maybe Cruz). Marco Rubio! I wish he was doing better in the GOP polls I would soo vote for him. He's a great candidate especially for his age. a Trump-Rubio ticket would be one to give the Democrats a huge headache.
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2015-10-14 14:50:01
We need someone who isn't under the thumb of the donor class.
And we also need someone who isn't a democratic socialist (like the nazis). That's trump (and maybe Cruz). Trump comes across more like the nazis than any democratic socialist does. He's the one screaming about how the problems in the US are caused by a certain demographic and they need to be removed from the country to make it better.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-10-14 15:36:28
.... Until we finally get a viable third-party alternative... Do not hold your breath for that.
Outside of Ross Perot's abortive 1992 run we have had a few third parties that actually got somewhere.
The Anti-Masonic Party which launched 1n 1828 and petered out in the 1830s. And the Native American Party, usually refered to as the Know Nothing party. It started up in the 1840s and lasted into the late 1850s.
And today we have a quite powerful organization dedicated to preventing the rise of a third party candidate, namely the Commission on Presidential Debates.
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