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Cerberus.Kvazz
サーバ: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 5345
By Cerberus.Kvazz 2014-06-16 06:29:11
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »how you gonna call abyssea difficult when we duo-trioed like, the entire thing as it came out
Did you seriously duo\trio EE, Kukulkan and Turul and so on right as abyssea came out?
Some of those fights were rather hard for quite awhile, and it took months until people figured out the triggersystem properly, we were doing ironclads before that was common knowledge.
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Carbuncle.Bukadan
サーバ: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 280
By Carbuncle.Bukadan 2014-06-16 06:36:15
the beginning of SoA is what led to people feeling like theyre being shut out of things "for no reason". you cant really blame people for seeing it from that perspective, especially if they came back to the game a couple of months after delve launch. people were given many chances but it just turned out that taking people who were proven was better than taking just anyone if your goal was to win. the only fault in SoA was that there was no stepping stone for people to ease into the required skill to be able to be successful in its events. i dont fault those who have issues with it that much because of that.
サーバ: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 287
By Cerberus.Smacksterr 2014-06-16 06:46:56
Take it back to 75 ToAU days.
Sky was relevant, Sea was for the l33t, ZNMs were entertaining, 10k+ an hour was impressive, and exp parties were cherished.
Those were my favorite days.
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サーバ: Fenrir
Game: FFXI
Posts: 574
By Fenrir.Moldtech 2014-06-16 07:01:45
I wouldn't revert to any era, it's an MMORPG designed to be never ending. Anyone wishing to revert it is looking to play a game with an ending and should rethink their stance on MMORPG's.
And for those saying, "this content killed this game" blah blah blah. Apparently not, game is still going strong through every era.
サーバ: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 287
By Cerberus.Smacksterr 2014-06-16 07:03:19
I wouldn't revert to any era, it's an MMORPG designed to be never ending. Anyone wishing to revert it is looking to play a game with an ending and should rethink their stance on MMORPG's.
And for those saying, "this content killed this game" blah blah blah. Apparently not, game is still going strong through every era.
Going strong? Is that what you call losing more than half the player base over the last 2 years?
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サーバ: Sylph
Game: FFXI
Posts: 95
By Sylph.Limlight 2014-06-16 08:23:00
everything pre soa. I still enjoy the game but there's so many things about soa that annoy me vs past content.
Alexander.Lepton
サーバ: Alexander
Game: FFXI
Posts: 7
By Alexander.Lepton 2014-06-16 08:26:12
I'd kill for a full-alliance Sky run of farming pop items and finishing with a Kirin. But not a zerg Kirin, actually a slow-paced kited Kirin.
We had such a good time back then, the LS chat was so loud, the game just felt "alive".
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By Sieha1 2014-06-16 09:27:01
no... hell no. Why would anyone want to waste more time getting useless stuff when you could get all your jobs leveled in a week and get the gear you need to be useful in less than a month.
you might as well start driving thumb tacks under your finger nails now.
Quetzalcoatl.Lishje
サーバ: Quetzalcoatl
Game: FFXI
Posts: 82
By Quetzalcoatl.Lishje 2014-06-16 09:33:46
I wouldn't revert it back period. Things happen for a reason.
We had such a good time back then, the LS chat was so loud, the game just felt "alive".
This is what is giving you Nostalgia.
I'd kill for a full-alliance Sky run of farming pop items and finishing with a Kirin. But not a zerg Kirin, actually a slow-paced kited Kirin.
Not this, don't be fooled.
FFXI is far better than it ever was, more enjoyable, progression has significantly improved, and solo is a real possible thing instead of just being this crappy little 80/120exp per kill grind to the death(of my patience and will).
I just wish there was more people to enjoy the game with. We see a constant 4~700 people on Quetz. Normally 500~
By Sieha1 2014-06-16 09:40:23
I am kind of the opposite, I like less people. Get a few good friends and screw the rest. Less people means less people messing with stuff, like a horde of spark gear thfs running thru dynamis.
Shiva.Gib
サーバ: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 1264
By Shiva.Gib 2014-06-16 10:14:31
So many Rose Colored glasses here.
I find it hard to believe that anyone misses camping NMs for hours on end, and hideous drop rates ect.
Cerberus.Smacksterr said: »I wouldn't revert to any era, it's an MMORPG designed to be never ending. Anyone wishing to revert it is looking to play a game with an ending and should rethink their stance on MMORPG's.
And for those saying, "this content killed this game" blah blah blah. Apparently not, game is still going strong through every era.
Going strong? Is that what you call losing more than half the player base over the last 2 years? for a game that's 12+ years old in a genre where most games don't reach like 3 without totally going in the crapper? yeah it's doing pretty good.
サーバ: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 525
By Asura.Leonlionheart 2014-06-16 10:38:37
Maybe I'm the only one who enjoyed VW, but I'd turn back to a couple of patches after NNI came out. When Miser's roll gave back ~50 TP after a WS.
I preferred the competition to be between DDs in VW, where you would just compete in a parse to see who really was the better DD without all the *** of "Oh only the monk can deal damage right now," or "No this is the ranged damage only phase."
By Sieha1 2014-06-16 11:59:38
Keeping it so that only 2 melee dd's and one ranged dd exist is best since you know what you can expect. Not much of a use for drk and war when sam and mnk can do everything just fine. Id like to see another ranged attacker something with magic that can avoid hate like rng can and have consistent damage.
サーバ: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 209
By Cerberus.Neojuggernaut 2014-06-16 12:14:06
Cerberus.Smacksterr said: »I wouldn't revert to any era, it's an MMORPG designed to be never ending. Anyone wishing to revert it is looking to play a game with an ending and should rethink their stance on MMORPG's.
And for those saying, "this content killed this game" blah blah blah. Apparently not, game is still going strong through every era.
Going strong? Is that what you call losing more than half the player base over the last 2 years?
Well, if it wasn't going strong, not sure why SE would entertain the idea of another Expansion as they have...hmmm...
Cerberus.Weissberv
サーバ: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 155
By Cerberus.Weissberv 2014-06-16 12:49:52
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »how you gonna call abyssea difficult when we duo-trioed like, the entire thing as it came out
Did you seriously duo\trio EE, Kukulkan and Turul and so on right as abyssea came out?
Some of those fights were rather hard for quite awhile, and it took months until people figured out the triggersystem properly, we were doing ironclads before that was common knowledge.
Mangy Tailed Marvin wrecked the 18 man alliance I was in no sweat on our first run... :( lol
But anyway, Abyssea was fun both when it first came out AND after it became solo/duo/trioable imo; although I think I'd prefer it as it first came out (as in no-one having atmas or atmacites). Voidwatch was also very fun when no-one had temps, hardly any of the hint KIs or just like Abyssea -- no atmas and people had to bring a THF and DD/thf to control hate so the WHM didn't die after they capped hate.
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By sweetsnopea 2014-06-16 13:22:19
So much envy in a single sentence. Stfu, people get things done cause they put in effort. You can make millions in game even playing only 2 hours a day, so students, workers and daysleepers can all get things they want(if you don't have 2 hours maybe you shouldn't pay for a mmo). And no, no one is robbing you, you just don't work for it. And also no, people don't get loot to feel superior but because they're playing a game in which that is the point, if I didn't want items I should play something else.
Just cause you don't have what you want you take it on those who do assuming they live 24/7 in game(and they also must be all jerks!), well maybe there are some who do, but the majority don't. Stop envying, start working. Or gtfo, either is fine.
You realize some ppl have hardcore jobs AKA Military/Cops/Firefighters that play this game For fun, how are they sposta get ***done in the game now days when others block them out of getting items and make them pay millions to get the items now days???
Valefor.Sehachan
サーバ: Valefor
Game: FFXI
Posts: 24219
By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-06-16 13:31:58
You're not blocked out. If you need money(which can get you anything in game from a weapon to gear)dynamis is something like 4mil for 2 hours. If you can't find two hours to play, like I said, you're wasting your money.
By sweetsnopea 2014-06-16 13:34:44
LOL not blocked out??? What is it called when you can hardly get into delve if you don't have the 119 weapons but can't get the weapons because *** wont let you in the party Unless you PAY 6mil to get ***???
Valefor.Sehachan
サーバ: Valefor
Game: FFXI
Posts: 24219
By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-06-16 13:36:51
You can get the weapons but a variety of means even with low time. Not others' fault if you don't wanna go through the boring part of the game to get money.
By sweetsnopea 2014-06-16 13:41:39
So what you are saying is to get ahead in this game is to pay ppl who you don't know and who can just take your gil and DC
Do you remember the game rules wasn't it in the rules Pling for gil was forbidden, isn't paying for the possibility of a win worse??
Valefor.Sehachan
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Game: FFXI
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-06-16 13:42:46
All I see is you crying. There are many ways to get things done but people like you are lazy and blame it on others for having more success.
サーバ: Odin
Game: FFXI
Posts: 2255
By Odin.Llewelyn 2014-06-16 13:45:55
Is that what some people think when I'm shouting to sell clears? :[ lol. I thought 6m for all drops is a good deal!
By sweetsnopea 2014-06-16 13:48:53
Well thank you for calling me lazy.... I actually help ppl out in this game I love helping noobs out they actually are the only fun ones left in this game not greedy sobs
Cerberus.Conagh
サーバ: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3189
By Cerberus.Conagh 2014-06-16 14:01:47
Is that what some people think when I'm shouting to sell clears? :[ lol. I thought 6m for all drops is a good deal!
The Butthurt people do.
But I had this issue and I invited one of the known people to help me sell wins, he jumped at it.
That was proof for me people are butthurt because they can't get in on that.
#Suckless.
Cerberus.Conagh
サーバ: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3189
By Cerberus.Conagh 2014-06-16 14:02:45
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »how you gonna call abyssea difficult when we duo-trioed like, the entire thing as it came out
Did you seriously duo\trio EE, Kukulkan and Turul and so on right as abyssea came out?
Some of those fights were rather hard for quite awhile, and it took months until people figured out the triggersystem properly, we were doing ironclads before that was common knowledge.
I know I did.
RDM/nin 30 minute fights cycling T3 nukes and Shadows was Easy fight. We used this strat for every single NM.
Phoenix.Xantavia
サーバ: Phoenix
Game: FFXI
Posts: 449
By Phoenix.Xantavia 2014-06-16 15:18:35
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »how you gonna call abyssea difficult when we duo-trioed like, the entire thing as it came out
Did you seriously duo\trio EE, Kukulkan and Turul and so on right as abyssea came out?
Some of those fights were rather hard for quite awhile, and it took months until people figured out the triggersystem properly, we were doing ironclads before that was common knowledge. People seem to forget that we didn't start with 3 abbysite, and the ones that were available weren't as OP as those released later.
Bismarck.Inference
サーバ: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
Posts: 417
By Bismarck.Inference 2014-06-16 15:37:00
You realize some ppl have hardcore jobs AKA Military/Cops/Firefighters that play this game For fun, how are they sposta get ***done in the game now days when others block them out of getting items and make them pay millions to get the items now days???
The problem is some sense of entitlement people have. It may be hard to wrap your head around given that it is a game and everyone pays the same subscription fee, but not all content is for everyone. If all of a game was catered to people who couldn't play more than two hours a day that would get really boring for those of us who can or want to commit more. If the whole game was based around people who can only play 8+ hours a day like its their job that wouldn't be very fun for a large portion of people either.
Unfortunately for people who can't commit more time, there is a general relation between difficulty and time spent, though rather loose now a days. Point being: just because you play the game does not mean you are entitled to be part of the highest content of the game. There's some skill requirement, job requirement, etc. and if you can only play two hours a day and are too lazy/unable to: 1)setup a run yourself, 2)make a handful of friends and do it when you're all on/setup a time to all be on, 3)level and/or gear a job that is more desired in the PUG scene, or even join an established group that is recruiting. Then there's plenty of other content more suited for the way you play, but you are in no way entitled to take place in the harder content of the game just because you have a character. You are more than welcome to try, but no one has to drag you along when they have no idea who you are.
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Bahamut.Menty
サーバ: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 32
By Bahamut.Menty 2014-06-16 15:55:11
Bismarck.Inference said: »You realize some ppl have hardcore jobs AKA Military/Cops/Firefighters that play this game For fun, how are they sposta get ***done in the game now days when others block them out of getting items and make them pay millions to get the items now days???
The problem is some sense of entitlement people have. It may be hard to wrap your head around given that it is a game and everyone pays the same subscription fee, but not all content is for everyone. If all of a game was catered to people who couldn't play more than two hours a day that would get really boring for those of us who can or want to commit more. If the whole game was based around people who can only play 8+ hours a day like its their job that wouldn't be very fun for a large portion of people either.
Unfortunately for people who can't commit more time, there is a general relation between difficulty and time spent, though rather loose now a days. Point being: just because you play the game does not mean you are entitled to be part of the highest content of the game. There's some skill requirement, job requirement, etc. and if you can only play two hours a day and are too lazy/unable to: 1)setup a run yourself, 2)make a handful of friends and do it when you're all on/setup a time to all be on, 3)level and/or gear a job that is more desired in the PUG scene, or even join an established group that is recruiting. Then there's plenty of other content more suited for the way you play, but you are in no way entitled to take place in the harder content of the game just because you have a character. You are more than welcome to try, but no one has to drag you along when they have no idea who you are.
Well put, Inference.
サーバ: Sylph
Game: FFXI
Posts: 95
By Sylph.Limlight 2014-06-16 16:23:04
So many Rose Colored glasses here.
I find it hard to believe that anyone misses camping NMs for hours on end, and hideous drop rates ect.
Cerberus.Smacksterr said: »I wouldn't revert to any era, it's an MMORPG designed to be never ending. Anyone wishing to revert it is looking to play a game with an ending and should rethink their stance on MMORPG's.
And for those saying, "this content killed this game" blah blah blah. Apparently not, game is still going strong through every era.
Going strong? Is that what you call losing more than half the player base over the last 2 years? for a game that's 12+ years old in a genre where most games don't reach like 3 without totally going in the crapper? yeah it's doing pretty good.
those long nm windows are one of the reasons that I graduated from college with such a high GPA. I'd sit there forever and finish my projects while listening for the bell lol.
By sweetsnopea 2014-06-16 16:28:02
In no way am I saying I should be entitled to the harder stuff but when you have ppl in your party for the harder knm fights they sabotage your run by DCing so you have to buy the run that's *** up!!!!
given the chance, would you, without anyone knowing anything about it, revert ffxi to an older version? No one knowing anything past that point and the current population of then coming back, all knowledge you know would stay with you, but it was as if you saw the (ffxi) future?
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