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Georgia expands Gun Carry Rights
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-04-24 12:17:34
Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »Neat, I am too lazy to check that, but my shield of faith is faith that people have enough upbringing and respect for holy grounds of all cultures, NOT to commit acts of heinousness on them. But sadly the shield of faith of mine is chipped slowly and gradually by radicals and hate mongers. =/
I never quite understood the supposid severity of committing the crime on 'holy ground'. That seems to imply that its better to kill a person on the street then to kill them on 'special' ground. Isnt the crime just as severe either way? It is still severe, but respect for a neutral/sanctified ground, where people are suppose to come and gather for peace. I would put it along the lines of shooting someone that has a white flag raised in surrender, in that you just don't do that.
I don't rly see how its neutral ground unless you have a sword.
But the idea of a religious center being neutral/sanctified because ppl are supposed to gather for peace seems a bit ludicrous to me considering more ppl have died (and been killed) in the name of god then for any other reason. - A severe crime committed on the holy ground or two feet off of it, seem equally bad to me.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2014-04-24 12:20:05
I don't rly see how its neutral ground unless you have a sword. I do take in my folding knife! =P
But the idea of a religious center being neutral/sanctified because ppl are supposed to gather for peace seems a bit ludicrous to me considering more ppl have died (and been killed) in the name of god then for any other reason. - A sever crime committed on the holy ground or two feet off of it, seem equally bad to me. And you're right, I just believe and hope that people won't.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-04-25 10:01:20
There was some incident in the early 90's in Georgia that was gun related. Something about lights going out one night?
Some guy was on his way home from Candletop. I can't remember all the details in between, but from what I gather, you shouldn't trust your soul to some back-woods, Southern lawyer, because a judge in that town has bloodstains on his hands.
Hmmm...
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By Shiva.Eboneezer 2014-04-25 10:09:19
Quote: "Schools have been gun-free zones for some time and those have been where some of the biggest instances of violence have occurred," said Gary Holland, a retired firefighter from Dawsonville who attended the bill signing. "If I'm a criminal, I would select a target where I know guns are not allowed because it would make the pickings easier."
Schools are not targeted because there are fewer weapons there. Schools are targeted for very specific reason. It's because that's the place where, to the perpetrator, the perceived injustice either happened or can be somehow vindicated.
According to this guy, shootings should never happen on military bases. But oh, wait...
Maybe I'm missing something, but you do realize that military bases are gun free zones, right?
By fonewear 2014-04-25 10:39:36
Gun free zone: everyone that is carrying an illegal firearm please put it in this box. We will give it back to you when you leave.
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By fonewear 2014-04-25 10:43:04
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By Shiva.Eboneezer 2014-04-25 10:51:25
However, with respect to what I posted above, I believe the requirements for the above-mentioned permits should be higher.
- No history of any legal convictions. Especially if they're violence-related, but not even DUIs. If you've had a DUI, it means you've irresponsibly endangered people with a lethal object.
Guns and alcohol are not a good mix either but, strictly speaking, I suspect most people that would take a gun into a bar were going to do so anyhow, with or without legal permission.
I don't know about other states, but you can't get a CWP here with any drug/alcohol conviction.
And this law still doesn't allow for guns and alcohol to mix. This law allows designated drivers, employees, and non-intoxicated customers to not only protect themselves inside the restaurant/bar, but also on their way to and from their vehicle/room (in cases like hotels with bars). The owner can still post a sign if they don't want the law abiding citizens to carry in their establishment. I have no problem with their right to do so. I just hope they understand that the only ones they're keeping out are the ones that know and respect the laws to begin with.
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By Ragnarok.Tatsiki 2014-04-25 10:58:26
I have nothing against concealed carry permits and allowing them to be exercised by those who have obtained them. I'm even okay with them being in school assuming they're on guards and properly trained and licensed educational professionals.
But that said, this quote is absolutely ridiculous:
Quote: "Schools have been gun-free zones for some time and those have been where some of the biggest instances of violence have occurred," said Gary Holland, a retired firefighter from Dawsonville who attended the bill signing. "If I'm a criminal, I would select a target where I know guns are not allowed because it would make the pickings easier."
Schools are not targeted because there are fewer weapons there. Schools are targeted for very specific reason. It's because that's the place where, to the perpetrator, the perceived injustice either happened or can be somehow vindicated.
According to this guy, shootings should never happen on military bases. But oh, wait...
Schools are targeted for more than injustice, hence the Sandy Hook elementary school shooting. Sometimes the shooter does it for publicity (They are that sick) as hinted by a 20 year old man going to an elementary school shooting up 20 children he never met along with 6 faculty members.
It's not always bullying, it's the fact some people are just messed up in the head.
By Jetackuu 2014-04-25 11:07:46
If somebody wants to make a scene and kill a bunch of people and it's not really a political statement, then killing unarmed people in a condensed place is the way to go.
The path of least resistance, etc.
It's not that hard of a concept to comprehend, yet so many typically sound minded people seem to skim over it as it doesn't fit into their agenda.
How's the crime rate in NYC again?
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-04-25 11:22:01
So people are scared that law abiding citizens. Carrying guns places are all the sudden going to flip out and kill people ? Every criminal is a law-abiding citizen right up until the point that he/she isn't.
By Jetackuu 2014-04-25 11:24:41
So people are scared that law abiding citizens. Carrying guns places are all the sudden going to flip out and kill people ? Every criminal is a law-abiding citizen right up until the point that he/she isn't. and that's what makes them a non-"law abiding citizen."
I'd like to know the statistics of gun related crime/deaths outside of the gang/drug related ones, just as a thought experiment.
I want to see where people get the rational that they have the right to limit the only right that says it shall not be infringed (aka encroached upon aka limited).
It doesn't add up.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2014-04-25 11:44:25
How's the crime rate in NYC again? Baltimore & DC too, and they are right next door, with some strict Laws against freedom.
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Quote: CHRISTINA A. CASSIDY
Associated Press
ELLIJAY, Ga. (AP) -- Criticized by one group as the "guns everywhere" bill, Georgia took a big step Wednesday toward expanding where licensed carriers can take their weapons, with the governor signing a law that allows them in bars without restriction and in some churches, schools and government buildings under certain circumstances.
Following mass shootings in recent years, some states have pursued stronger limits on guns while others like Georgia have taken the opposite path, with advocates arguing that people should be allowed to carry weapons as an issue of public safety. Republicans control large majorities in the Georgia General Assembly, and the bill passed overwhelming despite objections from some religious leaders and local government officials.
A few hundred gun rights supporters gathered at an outdoor pavilion along a river in north Georgia in the town of Ellijay for the bill signing by Gov. Nathan Deal and a barbecue. Many sported "Stop Gun Control" buttons and several had weapons holstered at their side. House Speaker David Ralston offered a thinly veiled critique of those who might oppose the bill while describing the people of his district.
"This is the apple capital of Georgia. And, yes, it's a community where we cling to our religion and our guns," Ralston said, drawing big applause in referencing a past comment made by President Barack Obama.
The bill makes several changes to state law and takes effect July 1. Besides in bars without restrictions, guns could be brought into some government buildings that don't have certain security measures, such as metal detectors or security guards screening visitors. Religious leaders would have the final say as to whether guns can be carried into their place of worship.
And school districts would now be able, if they choose, to allow some employees to carry a firearm on school grounds under certain conditions.
"This bill is about the good guys, you guys," bill sponsor Rep. Rick Jasperse, R-Jasper, told the crowd. "Amid all the misinformation and emotions, one must remember that this bill isn't about irresponsibly arming the masses. This is a bill about safety and responsibility."
Opponents, however, include Americans for Responsible Solutions, a group co-founded by former Democratic Arizona Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, who survived a shooting in 2011 and started a nationwide campaign on gun control. The group's executive director Pia Carusone on its website said, "the bill is extremism in action; it moves Georgia out of the mainstream."
The Georgia Municipal Association also was among those raising concerns, sending a letter to Deal arguing local governments couldn't afford to increase security. Deal, in his remarks, argued the bill empowers local decisions.
"House Bill 60 will protect law-abiding citizens by expanding the number of places that they can carry their guns without penalty, while at the same time this bill respects the rights of private property owners who still set the rules for their land and their buildings," Deal said.
That would include bar owners, who could post that firearms are not permitted in their establishments.
In Vienna, a city of about 4,000 residents south of Macon, it would cost $60,000 annually to increase security at city buildings, said Mayor Pro Tem Beth English. English, president of the Georgia Municipal Association, said she supports gun rights and has a carry permit but worries the added security costs will force the city to increase taxes.
"Do we raise taxes to provide the police protection or do we take the risk of potential injury to our public?" English said, noting emotions sometimes run high at city hall.
Some religious leaders also opposed the law, saying it will increase confusion. Under it, the assumption is still that guns aren't allowed unless otherwise noted. The law adds a provision, however, that those in violation cannot be arrested or fined more than $100 if they have a valid permit.
"This is the gun lobby foisting their agenda on churches, and I think it's a tragic violation of church and state," said the Rev. Raphael G. Warnock of Ebenezer Baptist Church.
It's unclear whether any school districts plan to take advantage of the new law, but proponents hope it will deter violence.
"Schools have been gun-free zones for some time and those have been where some of the biggest instances of violence have occurred," said Gary Holland, a retired firefighter from Dawsonville who attended the bill signing. "If I'm a criminal, I would select a target where I know guns are not allowed because it would make the pickings easier."
The bill passed largely along party lines in the House and Senate. The most prominent Democrat to back the bill was state Sen. Jason Carter, who is running for governor.
Carter, the grandson of former President Jimmy Carter, reiterated his support for the Second Amendment and noted he had worked to improve the bill to "ensure that places of worship have a real choice on whether to allow guns on their properties."
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