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 Shiva.Onorgul
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-03-04 19:26:59  
This sounds like it borders on the edge of legality.
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By Jetackuu 2014-03-04 19:51:46  
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
This sounds like it borders on the edge of legality.
Not really sure how, especially in the South.
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By Odin.Liela 2014-03-04 20:09:17  
Jetackuu said: »
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
This sounds like it borders on the edge of legality.
Not really sure how, especially in the South.

Well, if they are just given away, it kinda sounds like background checks aren't going to play into it. That could be seen as sketchy.
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By Jetackuu 2014-03-04 20:21:08  
Odin.Liela said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
This sounds like it borders on the edge of legality.
Not really sure how, especially in the South.

Well, if they are just given away, it kinda sounds like background checks aren't going to play into it. That could be seen as sketchy.

Bahamut.Refreshtwo said: »
Winners will receive a voucher to redeem at a local gun store. But first, each individual must pass a background check with the dealer. Parents will receive items won by children younger than 18.
um, what?

that being said: I really wouldn't have a problem if they just gave them out.

inb4 argument: people who shouldn't have guns, violent criminals and crazy people, shouldn't be in the general public, violent criminals should be in prison, and crazies should be in mental hospitals.

Granted we could get into a long discussion about people going to church being crazy, but let's just avoid that for now.
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By Odin.Liela 2014-03-04 21:34:00  
Jetackuu said: »
Odin.Liela said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
This sounds like it borders on the edge of legality.
Not really sure how, especially in the South.

Well, if they are just given away, it kinda sounds like background checks aren't going to play into it. That could be seen as sketchy.

Bahamut.Refreshtwo said: »
Winners will receive a voucher to redeem at a local gun store. But first, each individual must pass a background check with the dealer. Parents will receive items won by children younger than 18.
um, what?

that being said: I really wouldn't have a problem if they just gave them out.

inb4 argument: people who shouldn't have guns, violent criminals and crazy people, shouldn't be in the general public, violent criminals should be in prison, and crazies should be in mental hospitals.

Granted we could get into a long discussion about people going to church being crazy, but let's just avoid that for now.


Oops, my bad. I'm beyond being surprised by political nonsense anymore, so I didn't read it too closely I guess. Just skimmed it. /blush.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-04 21:50:58  
Jesus, Guns and Steaks. Praise the Lord!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-03-04 21:55:18  
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
This sounds like it borders on the edge of legality.
Most likely.

However, it is barely legal. They are doing background checks with the state and federal databases, and the guns are not being delivered on premises. The background checks alone will take 30 days to complete.

I think it is a marketing ploy to get more people into that church to be honest.
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By Odin.Liela 2014-03-04 21:56:19  
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Jesus, Guns and Steaks. Praise the Lord!

If the steaks come with mashed potatoes, consider me tempted! So tasty.
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By Ragnarok.Kongming 2014-03-04 22:22:18  
I think "use's" bothers me more than anything else.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Ronix 2014-03-04 22:44:57  
I know reading is super tough. The last paragraph of the OP says it all. However, the background check only take 10-15 mins in most states besides the few with huge gun laws. Yes the government would just let the church give out guns without a background check....................
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By fonewear 2014-03-04 22:47:05  
This will end well.
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By Jetackuu 2014-03-05 10:33:20  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
This sounds like it borders on the edge of legality.
Most likely.

However, it is barely legal. They are doing background checks with the state and federal databases, and the guns are not being delivered on premises. The background checks alone will take 30 days to complete.

I think it is a marketing ploy to get more people into that church to be honest.
I don't know where you've gotten a background check done, but it takes all of about 5 minutes once the paperwork is done.

I guess that depends on the state though.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-03-05 10:38:09  
Bahamut.Refreshtwo said: »

Winners will receive a voucher to redeem at a local gun store. But first, each individual must pass a background check with the dealer. Parents will receive items won by children younger than 18.

Its not rly that different then a store giving out a gift card actually. The church themselves are not dealing with weapons, nor are the being offered to absolutely anyone. It seems the proper legalities being observed.
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By Cerberus.Drayco 2014-03-05 10:39:50  
The amount of people that buy into the gun propaganda the media spews out on this site blows my mind... Learn to think for yourselves people.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-03-05 10:51:45  
Jetackuu said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
This sounds like it borders on the edge of legality.
Most likely.

However, it is barely legal. They are doing background checks with the state and federal databases, and the guns are not being delivered on premises. The background checks alone will take 30 days to complete.

I think it is a marketing ploy to get more people into that church to be honest.
I don't know where you've gotten a background check done, but it takes all of about 5 minutes once the paperwork is done.

I guess that depends on the state though.
Believe it or not, Texas actually is "gun-ho" on gun regulation. Yes, it takes on average 30 days to process your initial application (but once you are approved, it usually takes a few hours at most to buy a gun).
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-03-05 10:52:14  
Cerberus.Drayco said: »
The amount of people that buy into the gun propaganda the media spews out on this site blows my mind... Learn to think for yourselves people.
That's asking too much for the usual crowd here.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-03-05 11:20:12  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Cerberus.Drayco said: »
The amount of people that buy into the gun propaganda the media spews out on this site blows my mind... Learn to think for yourselves people.
That's asking too much for the usual crowd here.

The problem (or a problem) is that most seem to think they are geniuses on every subject. Anyone that doesn't agree with them must be wrong. And everyone just waits there turn to respond/mock. No ones willing to actually listen and learn or see a different perspective.

Not to say that many ppl arnt wrong...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-03-05 12:04:43  
Odin.Godofgods said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Cerberus.Drayco said: »
The amount of people that buy into the gun propaganda the media spews out on this site blows my mind... Learn to think for yourselves people.
That's asking too much for the usual crowd here.

The problem (or a problem) is that most seem to think they are geniuses on every subject. Anyone that doesn't agree with them must be wrong. And everyone just waits there turn to respond/mock. No ones willing to actually listen and learn or see a different perspective.

Not to say that many ppl arnt wrong...
As long as you can tell the difference between what is propaganda being fed out of a different mouth and what is worth considering though.

Not that I don't agree with you. I 100% support your idea about this, I just don't think many people can tell the difference between propaganda and idea.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2014-03-05 12:13:52  
Jetackuu said: »
I don't know where you've gotten a background check done, but it takes all of about 5 minutes once the paperwork is done.

I guess that depends on the state though.
Always takes me 30 minutes...must be the name that brings up questions.
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By Odin.Liela 2014-03-05 14:10:06  
This kinda reminds me of high school. In my town, there was a gun raffle for at least one football game per year. I think there was one for one basketball and one volleyball game per year too, but I can't remember. It never even occurred to us that there might be a problem with that, and as far as I can remember, no one who won one of those guns used it badly.

A church raffling them off doesn't really seem very different to me. I guess it's mildly disappointing (although not surprising) to me that any church would use money to buy weapons instead of feeding the poor like their god commanded them to, but then again maybe they will use proceeds from the raffle to help their communities. Or maybe the guns were donated, that's a possibility. Either way, it's not my job to dictate how they spend their cash, whether I agree with their priorities or not.

I just can't understand why anyone would care enough about this one church's raffle to raise a fuss. Or maybe it's just me that has trouble raising up the energy for this to care. There's way too many other things for me to spend my energy on at the moment, maybe!
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-03-05 14:24:15  
What tickles me is this:
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“We’re not doing it for the sake of the guns. We’re not doing it for any reason primarily than to help men understand the Gospel message is extremely relevant to their lives today,” said McAlister, team leader for Evangelism Church Planting and Collegiate Ministries for the Kentucky Baptist Convention.
If your religion is apparently irrelevant enough that you need to effectively bribe people, maybe just pack things in. I can't help but wonder if this is just a publicity stunt.

Additionally, I'd have few problems with this if they were raffling off hunting rifles. Long guns employed for hunting don't bug me. Handguns (and assault weapons, of course) are designed to kill humans, though, which seems very counter to the teachings of Jesus Christ. The article doesn't say if there is any control over what is purchased with the winning certificates, but it does talk about hunting culture, so I really do hope they're hunting rifles.
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2014-03-05 14:30:13  
Not sure which bothers me more; that a church is bribing people with guns, or that the kinds of people who live in that area can be bribed with guns.

In either case, Paducah KY won't be on my travel itinerary anytime soon.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-03-05 14:36:08  
Steak Dinner for Jesus? Sign me up.

Also, this town looks hella small. What's the culture there? Lots of sport shooting / hunting? If so, the appeal of giving away guns is readily apparent. A quick glance at the census data says median income is 26k. 'nuff said.
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By Jetackuu 2014-03-05 16:28:48  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
This sounds like it borders on the edge of legality.
Most likely.

However, it is barely legal. They are doing background checks with the state and federal databases, and the guns are not being delivered on premises. The background checks alone will take 30 days to complete.

I think it is a marketing ploy to get more people into that church to be honest.
I don't know where you've gotten a background check done, but it takes all of about 5 minutes once the paperwork is done.

I guess that depends on the state though.
Believe it or not, Texas actually is "gun-ho" on gun regulation. Yes, it takes on average 30 days to process your initial application (but once you are approved, it usually takes a few hours at most to buy a gun).
This wasn't Texas though.
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By Jetackuu 2014-03-05 16:31:01  
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
What tickles me is this:
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“We’re not doing it for the sake of the guns. We’re not doing it for any reason primarily than to help men understand the Gospel message is extremely relevant to their lives today,” said McAlister, team leader for Evangelism Church Planting and Collegiate Ministries for the Kentucky Baptist Convention.
If your religion is apparently irrelevant enough that you need to effectively bribe people, maybe just pack things in. I can't help but wonder if this is just a publicity stunt.

Additionally, I'd have few problems with this if they were raffling off hunting rifles. Long guns employed for hunting don't bug me. Handguns (and assault weapons, of course) are designed to kill humans, though, which seems very counter to the teachings of Jesus Christ. The article doesn't say if there is any control over what is purchased with the winning certificates, but it does talk about hunting culture, so I really do hope they're hunting rifles.

All guns are designed for one purpose: to fire a projectile, nothing more.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-03-05 16:41:27  
yet the mennonites here in CA block my strip club citing the name "Take it off for Jesus" as vulgar
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