States Acting Against Fed. Government!

But it hasn't been this bad since the start of the Civil War though.

Because you tried to twist my words around and failed? I would too if I were you.

But it hasn't been this bad since the start of the Civil War though.

Nullification movement has existed since the US Constitution was ratified, has never slowed down, and will never slow down. Nothing that is happening now is "unprecedented." You think State vs Federal is new? Just because you choose to notice something doesn't make it news, it just shows you have been out of touch your entire life.

Your words:

It's not unprecedented.

Your first site lists this

The US has had federal vs. state problems for decades. Really since the beginning of the US.

Say, how many states sued the federal government in 2010 again? Wasn't it 26, you know, greater than half of the country? Lets see if you realize that little tidbit.

But it hasn't been this bad since the start of the Civil War though.

It's like how you state that 26 states is a majority. That would depend on how you define the majority. A simple state count? Sure, then you'd be right. If you go by population of the states it might not turn out in that favor.

I'm sure you still think that TX will secede from the USA too (even after it got laughed out of its own state government).

Yea its been going on for more than decades actually and a state convention has still never happened. (Its looking pretty probable now) Nullification has been around forever as well its part of the process but the stuff getting the attention is what is unprecedented. Your constitution is being ignored and you seem to think "oh well its always been this bad, why should i care." Well keep on living in your growing police state and be sure to pay the individual mandate next year.

When the marching, protests, shootings, and riots start up then you could *possibly* claim this.

Because you talk like your word is absolute, ignore everything else then act like you've acheived victory lol.

It's like how you state that 26 states is a majority. That would depend on how you define the majority. A simple state count? Sure, then you'd be right. If you go by population of the states it might not turn out in that favor.

You kinda just go off and say things without any forethought and just expect people to accept them as you lay them out. Most times they have nothign to do with reality. I'm sure you still think that TX will secede from the USA too (even after it got laughed out of its own state government).

Were you there for Reconstruction, prohibition, women's suffrage, the civil rights act (and everything else that happened between the Civil War and 1980). Go ahead and try to define "bad" in a way that suits your case, but the absolute fact is it has been going on since Day 1. Its not "unprecedented." The battle for States Rights vs Federal Rights is constant and neverending, trying to point out that is all of a sudden a big deal serves what purpose exactly? Do you think there is going to be some kind of breakthrough and the fight is just going to come to an end?

If you treat each state as equals (Senate), then yes. If you are counting by population (I'm using electoral college for this), then barely under a half (266 electoral votes from the 26 states that sued in 2010). But since we are using states rights, each state is supposed to be equal and have equal power, then it is a majority. Either way, you are talking about half of the population here. The civil rights movement only effected those in a portion of the US. Another attempt to twist my words around. Can't you think of anything besides that? Like making an argument or something?

Oh it is? Really? Well, damn, we are in trouble now, I guess? Wait, all 50 states are going to agree on something? Did hell just freeze over? No? Sooooo......are you even a US citizen?

If you treat each state as equals (Senate), then yes.

If you are counting by population (I'm using electoral college for this), then barely under a half (266 electoral votes from the 26 states that sued in 2010).

But since we are using states rights, each state is supposed to be equal and have equal power, then it is a majority.

Either way, you are talking about half of the population here. The civil rights movement only effected those in a portion of the US.

lol only need 2/3rd, are you a US citizen?

OWS. Nuff said.

what were the states?

So what part of "Occupy Wall Street" has to do with nullification, secession, or in general protest against having government overreach?

It was pretty much protesting the *lack* of government oversight and regulation, as well as protesting government assistance for private corporations without corresponding assistance for individuals.
In other words, almost polar opposite of what you were saying.

And now we cue the "Oh, i'm sorry, you must have missed the sarcasm tags" card.

Oh, and that whole "We want a different government" which was their entire point was not their, oh I don't know, entire point of the protests.

Also, they wanted to be anarchists. What can I say about that.

But if you claim that they weren't out there to protest the government, then you are ignoring them in entirely.

Which is normal for a liberal, ignore facts until you can twist it to prove your point

Occupy Wall Street (OWS) is the name given to a protest movement that began on September 17, 2011, in Zuccotti Park, located in New York City's Wall Street financial district.

The Canadian, anti-consumerist, pro-environment group/magazine, Adbusters initiated the call for a protest. The ensuing series of events helped lead to media awareness that inspired Occupy protests and movements around the world. In awarding Workhouse its Platinum Award, industry publication PRNews noted "The results, obviously, have been spectacular. There’s hardly a newspaper, Internet or broadcast media outlet that hasn’t covered OWS."[7]

The main issues raised by Occupy Wall Street were social and economic inequality, greed, corruption and the perceived undue influence of corporations on government—particularly from the financial services sector. The OWS slogan, We are the 99%, refers to income inequality and wealth distribution in the U.S. between the wealthiest 1% and the rest of the population. To achieve their goals, protesters acted on consensus-based decisions made in general assemblies which emphasized direct action over petitioning authorities for redress.[8][nb 1]

They have to pay a few extra bucks every year, It's outrageous.

We don't really have proof of that Vic is one yet.

lol only need 2/3rd, are you a US citizen?