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 Asura.Kingnobody
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-12-01 20:31:54  
man, you didn't get to see either one of my 2 powerhouses (mainly cause I was stupid and brought him out too early -.-)
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By Dawn Charis 2013-12-01 20:32:02  
good game XD
need to get kings sheild and a dusk stone x.x

it looks like your team is coming along swimmingly though!

edit: gotta head out now, I am goin to a friends, we should battle again tomorrow :p
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-12-01 20:33:32  
Oh, both of my teams are done now. Items, TMs, levels (both teams are level 100 lol)

Well, not ALL items, there are a couple I still need to get..
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By Leviathan.Syagin 2013-12-03 07:56:18  
You guys should stream the tornys for the people to watch! this sounds like fun to watch :D
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-12-03 08:31:59  
We do.

Look at the first tournament and you will see the video codes for most of the fights. Even for the finals (it's in the OP)
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By Cerberus.Firinia 2013-12-03 22:34:02  
Could be he means if you don't have the game.

Also, put my type as flying for the type tournament. After much breeding and thinking up random combos of pokemon of Dragon, Fire, and Flying, I felt like flying would be the most fun to try and something out of my comfort zone. I've never tried anything like what I'm going to be trying to do with my flying team, so it could be interesting and fun. :)
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By Dawn Charis 2013-12-03 22:49:29  
Cerberus.Firinia said: »
Could be he means if you don't have the game.

Also, put my type as flying for the type tournament. After much breeding and thinking up random combos of pokemon of Dragon, Fire, and Flying, I felt like flying would be the most fun to try and something out of my comfort zone. I've never tried anything like what I'm going to be trying to do with my flying team, so it could be interesting and fun. :)

I spent money on the wrong capture crap, blah

anyways that's tomorrow's problem! I can record with a HD camera and youtube the replays no biggie, it would actually seem like a fun project for me
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By Cerberus.Firinia 2013-12-03 23:48:39  
Could be awesome. :o I've tried to set up a camera to record my playing on some games, but it failed pretty hardcore. xD

Hopefully it works out for you, cuz that would be pretty nice. :D
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By Asura.Toxleh 2013-12-04 00:33:07  
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/xy-ou-ban-of-gengarite.3494085/
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By Carbuncle.Justicebringer 2013-12-04 00:49:21  
So what's the deal with this Smogon site? I mean, all they are doing is complaining about a difficult pokeomon to beat? I've beat a few mega-gengar in my time, not too difficult. Just seems so... blah. They the authority on the games or something though? Like if you somehow get into a legit tournament they'll go by those rules? Just curious, not meaning to sound like a *** or anything.
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By Asura.Toxleh 2013-12-04 01:06:37  
that's the basic concept ya lol, i too have beaten my share of mega gengar, but if you read the whole post you'd see the point of the ban on mega gengar.

just like wobuffet was banned etc, anyway. we don't necessarily have to follow the rules they provide, BUT we did/do follow those rules for the last tournament etc.

ya if you read it, it basically says that he's capable of taking down a key pokemon on your opponents team w/o their control, making your inevitable victory much higher. they are basically saying that 1 pokemon shouldn't be able to turn the tides of things like that, making it unfit and unfair for the OU metagame.

while it's still viable in ubers metagame, if you like playing with ubers.
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By Carbuncle.Justicebringer 2013-12-04 01:13:47  
Asura.Toxleh said: »
that's the basic concept ya lol, i too have beaten my share of mega gengar, but if you read the whole post you'd see the point of the ban on mega gengar.

just like wobuffet was banned etc, anyway. we don't necessarily have to follow the rules they provide, BUT we did/do follow those rules for the last tournament etc.

ya if you read it, it basically says that he's capable of taking down a key pokemon on your opponents team w/o their control, making your inevitable victory much higher. they are basically saying that 1 pokemon shouldn't be able to turn the tides of things like that, making it unfit and unfair for the OU metagame.

while it's still viable in ubers metagame, if you like playing with ubers.
Yeah I see your point. I just find it fun to counter those so called over powered pokemon lol. Like smashing legendary user too.
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By Asura.Toxleh 2013-12-04 01:22:55  
well duh but if you faced a person who knew how to use mega gengar effectly or legendaries effectively for that matter, they would have a large advantage instantly over you, oblivion wing really...
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By Ohji Lunartail 2013-12-04 06:58:12  
ive had one on my ghost team, tho i tend to use mega-banette more, its not that more special than any other mega. someone over at smogon prolly got butt hurt about getting beat by one a few times.
tho if it does get banned for this tourny i may have to drop out due to not having the time to find and train a replacement in a few days due to having to work some long shifts this next week.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-12-04 07:09:22  
I can see why Mega Gengar would be banned also.

However, I don't believe that it would be fair for those who selected Ghost-types (or were thinking about selecting Ghost-types) in the Type Tournament to have one of the few Pokemon they could select banned so late in the registration time-frame.

If this happened a week ago, or even better, before registration for this tournament started, then I would have included it in all tournaments.

But for the Type Tournament only, Mega Gengar will not be banned due to the timing of this announcement. People still have a lot of time and options to breed/replace Mega Gengar for any of the leagues, but not for the Type Tournament.

I updated the OP to include this new ban for the leagues.
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By Asura.Toxleh 2013-12-04 07:50:32  
idc if we kept him altogether, just posting the information that pops up there when i boredly look at the forum.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-12-04 08:19:41  
No worries, actually it is a good idea for you to update us (since most of us, myself included, don't usually go to that forum) on the latest tournament stuff.

Global changes are ok, but specific events (pokemon banned less than 2 weeks on a type tournament for example) are too late imo.

Appreciate your updates though.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2013-12-04 08:58:55  
If anything, its easier for a type team to replace than a standard one. Standard ones rely on pokemon that work well together, you can't just replace one member and say it'll function the same.
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By Asura.Chuuuuu 2013-12-04 09:01:17  
i knew mega gengar was a beast but I didnt know he was that big of one D: good thing I had him last tournament not this one
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-12-04 09:13:14  
Ramuh.Austar said: »
If anything, its easier for a type team to replace than a standard one. Standard ones rely on pokemon that work well together, you can't just replace one member and say it'll function the same.
If a bug was banned, it would be nearly impossible for me to replace it, I would have to change types just to be competitive.

I don't know about Ghost (I didn't research it that much) but I would assume the same if one of your few strategies was disallowed.

Plus, I didn't think it would be fair for those who choose Ghost type as their team. If there was an overall ban of a bunch of different types, then I would uphold those bans. But this was just 1 poke.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2013-12-04 09:17:25  
can just give him a life orb and he'll function exactly the same way. unless you actually utilize shadow tag, like i do on my competitive team, then there is no difference. yet i have to go and replace at least three team members and change my entire team's synergy
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By tarupowa 2013-12-04 18:27:56  
king im sorry to say im running low on free time atm been doing a lot of stuff lately, i have my double league tournament but i for sure dont have time to EV train an eevee team. i might be able to do type but might not. im in doubles for sure cause that teams done
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By Dawn Charis 2013-12-04 19:36:19  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
If anything, its easier for a type team to replace than a standard one. Standard ones rely on pokemon that work well together, you can't just replace one member and say it'll function the same.
If a bug was banned, it would be nearly impossible for me to replace it, I would have to change types just to be competitive.

I don't know about Ghost (I didn't research it that much) but I would assume the same if one of your few strategies was disallowed.

Plus, I didn't think it would be fair for those who choose Ghost type as their team. If there was an overall ban of a bunch of different types, then I would uphold those bans. But this was just 1 poke.

Good judgment call
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie 2013-12-04 20:46:58  
Smogon rules aren't real tournament rules. They just pretty much own a monopoly on what is "fair rules" and everyone just follows. For instance smogon bans all evasion based attacks and abilities, where as in most Nintendo/Game Freak tournaments it's not banned.

I think Smogon just bans things that annoy the player base so everyone is on an even playing field.
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By Asura.Toxleh 2013-12-04 22:17:00  
Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie said: »
Smogon rules aren't real tournament rules. They just pretty much own a monopoly on what is "fair rules" and everyone just follows. For instance smogon bans all evasion based attacks and abilities, where as in most Nintendo/Game Freak tournaments it's not banned.

I think Smogon just bans things that annoy the player base so everyone is on an even playing field.

it's more like, luck has always been a huge part of the game, but when you start to use evasion items, and evasion boosting abilities and moves, you start to create your own luck, moving luck more into your own favor.

the attack moves implemented are already balanced, higher power moves either have consequences like recoil or low accuracy or lowering your own stats for example to balance out the move. While higher accuracy attacks have lower damage, and when you start taking out that safety net where your lower dmg moves no longer at least hit 100% you shift that balanced.

BASICALLY

TL;DR smogon is making the game more about strategy then either pure luck or being purely overpowered. what's the fun of winning if you arn't on an equal standpoint, such as putting all 6 of your enemies to sleep, having all super high powered uber pokemon on your team. etc
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie 2013-12-05 08:52:42  
I wouldn't say more about strategy because what they are doing is setting these "tiers" for Pokemon and people are only using the same 20 or so pokemon and it's getting super tiring of seeing the exact same teams over and over again.

I don't know I feel as though they are hindering the game's true potential by filling people's minds with the idea of if you don't use these certain pokemon there's no way you will win.

In my opinion the most fun part of Pokemon is making a team out of Pokemon you like and that aren't really ever used because of Smogon and coming up with insane strategies to make them work.

I don't know I might just be over thinking it but I do believe Smogon's Rules are just to make the competitive game easier for them to counter.
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By Asura.Toxleh 2013-12-05 23:11:52  
Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie said: »
I wouldn't say more about strategy because what they are doing is setting these "tiers" for Pokemon and people are only using the same 20 or so pokemon and it's getting super tiring of seeing the exact same teams over and over again.

I don't know I feel as though they are hindering the game's true potential by filling people's minds with the idea of if you don't use these certain pokemon there's no way you will win.

In my opinion the most fun part of Pokemon is making a team out of Pokemon you like and that aren't really ever used because of Smogon and coming up with insane strategies to make them work.

I don't know I might just be over thinking it but I do believe Smogon's Rules are just to make the competitive game easier for them to counter.

they havn't set the tiers yet for x/y lol, the reason you see the same pokemon is because they are very good, and people like to win

also idk what you're even talking about NOBODY is stopping you from using ANY pokemon on your team.

THEORETICALLY if you wanted to do an overused battle you can use ANY pokemon that isn't uber, but once you leave the overused tier you can't use any overused pokemon.

if you think a pokemon is good, add it to your team, focus your team around it and work the core of you team towards it
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By Breezyy 2013-12-06 00:12:56  
Just beat toxleh 10/10 in a pokemon epic battle.... hes so bad
 
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By Breezyy 2013-12-06 00:55:24  
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