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 Asura.Korpg
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-11-09 10:48:17  
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Siren.Enternius said:
Meleeing gives you TP which makes your BPs stronger. Again, you can't complain.
All the tp in the world wont make a lick of difference if you don't have the mp to BP. For that matter are you gunna stand right next to the mob so you can get your refresh while your avatar melees? Heck you might as well pull your staff out and start spirit takering at that point

Having Diabolos out forever is better for the soloist than anything.

Not only does he have more defense than Carby, also have more HP too.

Only downsides is that Diabolos doesn't have any STRONG BP:Rs and no healing ability. But having a SMN out just for refreshing BLMs, thats all that matters tbh.

And SE already said that Rolls and Refresh from Diabolos can stack. Although I doubt you can have Refresh from the RDM anymore, you don't need a RDM in a BLMx4, COR, SMN party. And if you have enough gear, you can have 4 perp cost for Diabolos (which goes down to 0 with the new job ability) so just having Diabolos out for AoE refresh alone (no BPs) is good enough to justify having a SMN.

But then again, you have to have some bad-*** SMNs to have the 4 mp per tick 100% of the time Diabolos anyway. Which requires sea access (for AF+1 feet and Nash gloves), ACP finished (for Royal Redingcoat), kill all avatars x2 (one for having the avatar, one for having the special item for Evoker's Ring), and a Fay staff with -3 perp cost. ZNM headband for Garuda is just a bonus.

Thank god I already have all that.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2009-11-09 10:49:40  
Ramuh.Urial said:
Ramuh.Haseyo said:
It could be days or weeks before I get the new Call of Duty! I am sad beyond belief!

Mine will be here at my office tomorrow between 11am-1pm because i pre-ordered on amazon :)
Gogo stalker edition with night vision.
Ohhh and im getting off work ~2pm tomorrow to go home and play CoD MW2

Debating on if I should order it from amazon now. I was going to buy WaW last night while grocery shopping but decided against it.
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-09 10:49:52  
Just pitching in for the sake of conversation, we don't know how strong the refresh on diabolos will be. For all you know it could take so long to charge out that he'll piss off before it reaches break even / positive refresh. Also no proof yet that the refresh will even affect smns, which I don't think it will.
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By Fairy.Tbest 2009-11-09 10:52:47  
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Siren.Enternius said:
Meleeing gives you TP which makes your BPs stronger. Again, you can't complain.

All the tp in the world wont make a lick of difference if you don't have the mp to BP. For that matter are you gunna stand right next to the mob so you can get your refresh while your avatar melees? Heck you might as well pull your staff out and start spirit takering at that point
lol... We'll see. And, let's see here... Even at 8mp/tic with Diab/Cor in a blm pt... That's higher than a Rdm which costs mp to Refresh, and higher than a Brd that has to recast the songs often 'and' be in range of the blm's to do so.

Then with perp reduction on the Smn for Diab in Dyna... That's 3, 3, 2, 1, 1, 1 pretty easily. Plus, you get at LEAST a -1 for the JA, I'm betting probably -2 though tbh. So that's at MINIMUM -12 perp cost. Diabolos costs 13 to keep out. Then add in auto refresh and you have a free Diabolos in Dyna. Which gives you at least 8mp/tic refresh the entire time. Nether Blast takes 109 MP and Dream Shroud takes 121 MP.

In 3 minute's time, you're getting 480 MP from Diab/Evoker's. You'll spend 450 MP on Nether (once/minute) / Dream (every 3) and have MP left over. If ya use Nether every 45 sec, that's 559 mp every 3, so you're -79 every 3 minutes. Then ya throw in Elemental Siphon as well for another 300+ MP every 5 minutes.

If ya /sch you get even more MP from Aspir on stats/mage mobs.

This update is VERY good for Summoners. It'll be even better if the distance for the aura is a large one.
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By Hades.Cheyne 2009-11-09 10:54:41  
Ramuh.Rowland said:
I wish the Avatar's Favors were based on summoning skill.
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By Fairy.Tbest 2009-11-09 10:55:51  
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Probably about as large as the Protectra range.
Which is 10' radius.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-09 10:57:55  
Garuda.Wooooodum said:
Just pitching in for the sake of conversation, we don't know how strong the refresh on diabolos will be. For all you know it could take so long to charge out that he'll piss off before it reaches break even / positive refresh. Also no proof yet that the refresh will even affect smns, which I don't think it will.

Well it said it will affect people in range of the avatar... if it doesn't affect smn this is the stupidest update ever lol. They did say it would be on par with cor rolls however no word on how long it would take to get there.

Asura.Korpg said:
Having Diabolos out forever is better for the soloist than anything.

Not only does he have more defense than Carby, also have more HP too.

Only downsides is that Diabolos doesn't have any STRONG BP:Rs and no healing ability. But having a SMN out just for refreshing BLMs, thats all that matters tbh.

And SE already said that Rolls and Refresh from Diabolos can stack. Although I doubt you can have Refresh from the RDM anymore, you don't need a RDM in a BLMx4, COR, SMN party. And if you have enough gear, you can have 4 perp cost for Diabolos (which goes down to 0 with the new job ability) so just having Diabolos out for AoE refresh alone (no BPs) is good enough to justify having a SMN.

Really would you be satistfied with a job coming only to refresh everyone? If so it would make my job on rdm much easier. Lol well in the end though everything is stronger than carby. Really most smns should be able to get free garuda. Though Nether Blast is pretty good in some situations. Though gl using while keeping your avatar out full time.
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By Carbuncle.Kyri 2009-11-09 11:00:49  
geebus yall chat so fast x.X
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2009-11-09 11:01:30  
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The new craft skill "synergy" has been added.
*This skill will be displayed in the craft skills window under status in the main menu, but will not be effective until following the version update scheduled to take place as early as late November.

Wow, didn't realize this was going to be a new craft.
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By Fairy.Tbest 2009-11-09 11:01:38  
Carbuncle.Kyri said:
geebus yall chat so fast x.X
>.> That's what boredom does to a group. They're much more quiet usually. >.>
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-11-09 11:02:59  
Meow!!
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By Hades.Cheyne 2009-11-09 11:05:04  
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Meow!!


/spank.
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-11-09 11:06:49  
;; Why thou have you spankith me!?
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-11-09 11:09:01  
:P Whatever, I'm just spurting out junk!
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-09 11:13:32  
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lol... We'll see. And, let's see here... Even at 8mp/tic with Diab/Cor in a blm pt... That's higher than a Rdm which costs mp to Refresh, and higher than a Brd that has to recast the songs often 'and' be in range of the blm's to do so. Then with perp reduction on the Smn for Diab in Dyna... That's 3, 3, 2, 1, 1, 1 pretty easily. Plus, you get at LEAST a -1 for the JA, I'm betting probably -2 though tbh. So that's at MINIMUM -12 perp cost. Diabolos costs 13 to keep out. Then add in auto refresh and you have a free Diabolos in Dyna. Which gives you at least 8mp/tic refresh the entire time. Nether Blast takes 109 MP and Dream Shroud takes 121 MP. In 3 minute's time, you're getting 480 MP from Diab/Evoker's. You'll spend 450 MP on Nether/Dream and have MP left over. Then ya throw in Elemental Siphon as well for another 300 MP every 5 minutes. If ya /sch you get even more MP from Aspir on stats/mage mobs. This update is VERY good for Summoners. It'll be even better if the distance for the aura is a large one.


Really this cost mp just as much as a rdm casting refresh. And rdm can do other nifty things like cure debuff nuke etc.

So your saying under perfect conditions...Using ACP body and HQ staff or fey one evokers ring evokers feet+1 and nash hands... ok thats pretty close to max -prep cost. Not sure I'd call it easy but ok. Didn't see the new addition to it lower prep cost too. So even say it reduces it to -1 the minimum which with auto refresh is effectively 0. And of course assuming your getting 4 refresh from both the cor and avatar. If you get less of anything your whole plan is kaput. What happens when you don't have weather on your side? Or ACP body etc etc etc. More importantly how are you going to elemental siphon when that kills your refresh which you will have to build up again?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-09 11:14:16  
Gilgamesh.Alyria said:
;; Why thou have you spankith me!?

Cause you like it.
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By Hades.Cheyne 2009-11-09 11:14:48  
Gilgamesh.Alyria said:
;; Why thou have you spankith me!?


Cause it's fun. o.o
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-09 11:14:56  
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The new craft skill "synergy" has been added. *This skill will be displayed in the craft skills window under status in the main menu, but will not be effective until following the version update scheduled to take place as early as late November.
Wow, didn't realize this was going to be a new craft.

Don't worry it will still require old crafts!
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-09 11:15:27  
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Mac and Cheese or hot dogs?

Both. Put the hot dogs in the mac and cheese
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By Garuda.Wooooodum 2009-11-09 11:15:29  
Gilgamesh.Alyria said:
:P Whatever, I'm just spurting out junk!


So was I.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-09 11:20:00  
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
Ramuh.Rowland said:
Mac and Cheese or hot dogs?
Both. Put the hot dogs in the mac and cheese
Although it makes one meal taste better, combining things like that makes me eat my food twice as fast, therefore having to spend more money on grocery shopping. Instead I could just eat them as two separate meals on two separate occasions.

You could just make half as much of each still getting the same sized meal... or save some for later lol. You don't have to eat twice as much.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-11-09 11:20:29  
Garuda.Wooooodum said:
Gilgamesh.Alyria said:
:P Whatever, I'm just spurting out junk!
So was I.

Ditto
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By Ramuh.Lilbusta 2009-11-09 11:21:25  
Gilgamesh.Alyria said:
:P Whatever, I'm just spurting out junk!


0.0 I don't even want to touch this subject.

BTW I just got a nice funny email of kids science fair projects. Nice photoshop skills were involved.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2009-11-09 11:21:37  
Ramuh.Dasva said:
Ramuh.Krizz said:
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The new craft skill "synergy" has been added. *This skill will be displayed in the craft skills window under status in the main menu, but will not be effective until following the version update scheduled to take place as early as late November.
Wow, didn't realize this was going to be a new craft.

Don't worry it will still require old crafts!

I have a feeling I'm going to need to raise more than cooking on my main.
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