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 Diabolos.Rydiya
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By Diabolos.Rydiya 2010-12-15 17:16:16
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: I was going to be a Classics major :|
Ah well.
I really have to go back to my manifesto. Meeeh.
I'm thinking of writing a Slender Man story for the next 6 weeks. :| I'm not a very good writer myself.. But if you give me a play or something akin to a play, I'm a half decent actress.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-15 17:21:09
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: I was going to be a Classics major :|
Ah well.
I really have to go back to my manifesto. Meeeh.
I'm thinking of writing a Slender Man story for the next 6 weeks. why don't you try your hand at a full-original work?
Because I've been trying since September 15th, 2003, 3:30pm.
I have so many plans and notes for it, yet it can never just seem to come together the way I want it to. That's why I wrote When Jeuno Fell; it was more like a vacation from Legion, the one I started years ago.
Edit: I just refer to it as a manifesto because of all the notes lol, should have specified. Is it just an unfinished draft or have you not fully completed the story line?
Nice on the timeline.
My novel was going to be pretty nuts conceptually.
I have it buried with the outline and I'm a few chapters in...
Full of secret codes and different patterns.
like 23-word paragraphs and 23 chapters and stuff like that.
really restrictive way to write but it made me kind of get more creative.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2010-12-15 17:22:08
I had most of the story line planned, but I could never be happy with a draft while I wrote it.
I was considering just blitzing through a draft and then shelfing it for a few weeks then going back to working on the actual writing part.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-15 17:23:53
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: I had most of the story line planned, but I could never be happy with a draft while I wrote it.
I was considering just blitzing through a draft and then shelfing it for a few weeks then going back to working on the actual writing part. How did you start it out?
Did you do the end first or what method did you go about doing it?
If you want someone to throw ideas at I'd be happy to go for it.
I think if I would have went for being an editor rather than a creator I might've done a lot better lol.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2010-12-15 17:30:13
I started by writing some of the backstory to get myself into the world I was building, and then I started to write the story linearly, swapping perspectives to keep it interesting.
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2010-12-15 17:35:16
I used to write, myself. :D
Mostly on roleplay forums though. I like writing short stories with other people involved, never know where it's gonna go.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-15 17:46:22
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: I started by writing some of the backstory to get myself into the world I was building, and then I started to write the story linearly, swapping perspectives to keep it interesting. I always had trouble with writing a story in linear form.
I go with the old standard to an extent.
Establish who the character is in the beginning, Establish a badass ending.
And then gradually fill the blanks for the middle.
The most essential part is the middle.
I see that fuddled with so much being an anime and film buff...it's outrageous sometimes.
Where they take that method and then just throw in some convenient but nil explained concept that puts the main character in the situation that he is and then kind of just snowballing from that.
But writing linear is just way too hard I think unless you are like writing non-stop to finish pretty much IMO.
Also a lot of the other plot bubbles and techniques seem to help.
who is your character as a person, why your character is the way he is?
and who is he in regards to his surroundings and also going into detail about the surroundings...all hard to do while bunched up within a linear plot.
I'd honestly say if you've sat on it as long as you have doing an outline rather than a draft could be a good option.
That outline can become a draft as you work and then you go at it...seems to work from where I see it and from other writes I've studied under.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2010-12-15 17:46:45
When I was 10~ I started on roleplay forums. By age 12 I had started the rudimentary elements of what is now called Legion.
Edit: Thanks for the tips, Vinnv. I think that my problem is honestly that while I've been working on it for so long, I simply haven't caught up as a writer to what I want to do. Basically, I feel like I key-whored up my level (story) but have to do the skillups now (writing talent) :3
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-15 17:47:46
I wrote a full novel and made it into a graphic novel(with dbz-stylized characters) when I was 9.
Think fist of the north star meets dragon ball z/gt.
the story was good IMO but the art was garbage.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2010-12-15 17:57:53
I find it funny, also, that my main character's name has had its spelling changed four times now.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-15 17:58:22
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: When I was 10~ I started on roleplay forums. By age 12 I had started the rudimentary elements of what is now called Legion.
Edit: Thanks for the tips, Vinnv. I think that my problem is honestly that while I've been working on it for so long, I simply haven't caught up as a writer to what I want to do. Basically, I feel like I key-whored up my level (story) but have to do the skillups now (writing talent) :3 Well if you want to ever bounce some ideas I'm open to it.
Constructive criticism and the insight of others can be some of the best help when you are learning to be a better writer.
We can always be our worst critic I do believe, getting different perspectives can make your growth as an author go to new leaps and bounds if you let it.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-15 18:00:38
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: I find it funny, also, that my main character's name has had its spelling changed four times now. I did that with a few character names.
my first one I had was pretty nerd-weaboo-ish.
"Mactilleone Fallenore"
I had a guy named Sirius before Sirius Black...i think it was "Sirius Starwell" or something like that...but hey I was 9 lol.
Now I've came to puns and double meanings and whatnot...
mactilleone came from a name i made for a gameboy game that only accepted 4 character names and then I expanded upon it lol.
But at that time DBZ and Gundam Wing names were pretty luxurious and stylized to a childs eyes lol.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2010-12-15 18:03:52
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: I find it funny, also, that my main character's name has had its spelling changed four times now. I did that with a few character names.
my first one I had was pretty nerd-weaboo-ish.
"Mactilleone Fallenore"
I had a guy named Sirius before Sirius Black...i think it was "Sirius Starwell" or something like that...but hey I was 9 lol.
Now I've came to puns and double meanings and whatnot...
mactilleone came from a name i made for a gameboy game that only accepted 4 character names and then I expanded upon it lol.
But at that time DBZ and Gundam Wing names were pretty luxurious and stylized to a childs eyes lol.
Kane -> Kain -> Kane -> Cane -> Kain -> Kane -> Cane -> Cain.
Cain is here to stay.
And let's not even get started on the villain's name. His first name started off sounding like Calamari, now that I read it out. Now he's Marcus Anceps.
And amg Gundam Wings almost made me name someone Lucretia.
Now she's Lycea.
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By Diabolos.Rydiya 2010-12-15 18:11:40
>.> Lucrezia is an awesome name for a female villain btw.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2010-12-15 18:12:06
"the bad guy" will always work.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-15 18:12:43
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: I find it funny, also, that my main character's name has had its spelling changed four times now. I did that with a few character names.
my first one I had was pretty nerd-weaboo-ish.
"Mactilleone Fallenore"
I had a guy named Sirius before Sirius Black...i think it was "Sirius Starwell" or something like that...but hey I was 9 lol.
Now I've came to puns and double meanings and whatnot...
mactilleone came from a name i made for a gameboy game that only accepted 4 character names and then I expanded upon it lol.
But at that time DBZ and Gundam Wing names were pretty luxurious and stylized to a childs eyes lol.
Kane -> Kain -> Kane -> Cane -> Kain -> Kane -> Cane -> Cain.
Cain is here to stay.
And let's not even get started on the villain's name. His first name started off sounding like Calamari, now that I read it out. Now he's Marcus Anceps.
And amg Gundam Wings almost made me name someone Lucretia.
Now she's Lycea. I made my whole storyline first and established that before I did the characters.
Do you read manga?
If you do I'd suggest reading Bakuman...it does storytelling and development justice IMO even if it's in a manga setting.
Asura.Ludoggy said: "the bad guy" will always work. bad guy doesn't even need to have a name if you set the story right for it:P
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2010-12-15 18:17:02
Some of my characters had to be named first. It was just part of who they were.
Cain is a Cain, and that's all there is to that :3
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-15 18:18:52
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: Some of my characters had to be named first. It was just part of who they were.
Cain is a Cain, and that's all there is to that :3
:P
just depends which school of writing you come from.
plot driven or character driven.
being able to do both makes you a lot more versatile though.
i personally like starting fresh when I have a work that's stagnated to the nth degree.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2010-12-15 18:19:50
I'm a firm believer that the plot should be created by the interactions between your characters. That's how life works.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-15 18:20:32
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: I'm a firm believer that the plot should be created by the interactions between your characters. That's how life works. developing the characters is good and fine and all, but it doesn't make you a better writer doing it just one way :/
trying it the other way makes you better at the part that you are lacking in and can help you further on character driven plot.
there is no right way to write though :D
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2010-12-15 18:21:20
Perhaps I should rephrase.
I feel that a work is a lot more realistic when the characters create the plot. Literally.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-15 18:23:59
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: Perhaps I should rephrase.
I feel that a work is a lot more realistic when the characters create the plot. Literally.
If you want to write fanfics and stories made for children solely you could say that would be the "only" way.
But it's a lot more complicated than that.
Can't be a master of storytelling like Stephen King for instance by only focusing on the characters.
defining what each role a character will play without "giving them life" is better IMO because they aren't supposed to have life until the story is completed past what's in your head.
I'm not saying you are wrong in thinking that making good characters is an essential...but it's not THE essential.
fanfics facilitate an ideal such as that just because the set and setting already exist to an extent :/
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2010-12-15 18:28:27
I know I am not properly phrasing what I want to say lol. I'm not talking about only focusing on them. I'm talking more about in the planning and translation from planning to paper. BLEH I DO NOT HAVE THE WORDS TO EXPLAIN YET THE CONCEPTS ARE RAMPANT IN MY HEAD BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-15 18:34:31
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: I know I am not properly phrasing what I want to say lol. I'm not talking about only focusing on them. I'm talking more about in the planning and translation from planning to paper. BLEH I DO NOT HAVE THE WORDS TO EXPLAIN YET THE CONCEPTS ARE RAMPANT IN MY HEAD BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH you can always do like a bubble diagram for the relationships between the characters with an overlay of how they come together within the plot.
what i was saying was actually writing a new work with plot as a focus...not to be your main prize piece...just a practice piece.
as a writer doing it a bunch of different ways is pretty good.
try your game at a romance a mystery and stuff like that can also help.
in my creative writing class we wrote one short story a day to facilitate that kind of growth.
but essentially the more you write and the more different things you write the better a write you'll become and you'll become better at saying the things you want to say because you're able to do it in more ways than one :P
edit:
and that's me pretty much regurgitating what every college professor I have had and what they say to do over the years.
concepts are good but when you get stuck on them they can be devastating in a writing career.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-15 18:48:16
wao all this writing talk killed ni ;;
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By Asura.Daleterrence 2010-12-15 18:49:45
Ramuh.Vinvv said: wao all this writing talk killed ni ;;
Ni wasn't already dead? o_o
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2010-12-15 18:54:23
Always die when we arent talking about boobs.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-15 18:54:53
Asura.Daleterrence said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: wao all this writing talk killed ni ;;
Ni wasn't already dead? o_o I dunno.
but all that writing talk was some dead horse beating :p
why don't i ever see you on msn you squiggly guy you?
Asura.Ludoggy said: Always die when we arent talking about boobs. or if we have some rydiya hints going on...then a whole bunch of angry basement dwellers and canadians rage.
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2010-12-15 18:57:55
why are there no good threads all week ; ;
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-15 18:58:55
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: why are there no good threads all week ; ; because jet stop posting and that broke the ffxi equilbrium of one smartass to every dumb ***.
smartasses can't do anything without a dumb ***i say!
that and there's not much going on past wikileaks and hannah monta doing hits on a bong.
Edit: As of 2010-10-05 14:48:06 CST, Ni reached 10,000 pages.
Since we all can't be on the same linkshell in game, this can be our cross server linkshell thread.
Like most linkshells, it can be pretty dead at times. Other times it's full of intense conversations about either rl, gear, goals, pokemon or anything else you want to contribute.
We can cover any sort of topic at all, within reason of the forum rules. No real main topic, just a bunch of FFXIAH friends/people coming on and discussing random things.
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=royal_kingdom_of_ni
Continuation from: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/2873/ffxiah-linkshell/732/#150486
Update: Sorry Eternaltriumph, too much has changed D: (Page 698)
Eternaltriumph said: Yeah Chuu. Bringing you up to speed, Ludoggy is the LS pedophile. I'm the fountain of random and useless knowledge that makes you go "Hrm" with the occasional side of "holy shit he said what?"
Kungfu is the LS nutjob, spouting super random things that are usually sexist, until Savvy or Alyria comes into the room. Then he's a classic case of sexual harrassment. Rumaha is also true to the second part; we're wondering about his sexuality though.
Daj is Ludoggy's gay lover. Not much else is known about this Asuran. Tairo is kinda new, but since is a female and Alyria's lesbian lover, she fit right in real quick.
Celene(F) and Rowland(M) are more of the shyer members, but often say things that are witty, have a good pun and sometimes cause three page discussions. Celene hates when people hit on her. It doesn't stop them from trying.
Krizz is just social and likes to kill time here during work Tbest is about the same, except tends to be a douche to guys and affectionate toward girls.
Alyria is the most social female, gets groped a lot without provoking it by others, and Tairo ends up stabbing people for it. Cai is just a barrel of lols, I might be gay for him. If I wasn't straight.
Not sure about Citag, s/he's new. Kiriyu is just an in-out kinda person. Says one thing every three days that every guy makes a big fuss over. Ludoggy gets really defensive since she's asian and underage (might be 18 now).
Artem is the wayward soul that makes you ponder the meaning of life by constantly reminding us life can suck. But he deals, and so do we. About the same for Savannah, except people are more "AWH!" to her because of a vagina involved.
Dasva is the ex military man (as is Krizz but this doesn't apply to him) who hates the world and plots a way to destroy most of it.
Number2 is kinda like a mix between Cai and I; never bashes, likes to laugh and has odd avatars. His current suits a lot of the convos this LS gets into. Barti is most well known for his moustache. He gives mousatche rides for a fee. I'm missing a few people but whatever. CARRY ON!
Luelle Smells.
Roster of FFXIAH Ni (as of April 1st, 2010 Pocoyo avatar craze)
One Year Anniversary!!!Asura.Ludoggy said: Happy b-day ls.
Heres my lame gift to AHLS, since Row is lame and took away the OP, I made my own!
Haseyo/Bignose: He's got a bigass nose, Leader of the RL avi revloution or some junk no one gives a crap about...crazy about his asian pop/rock bands and is a closet pedo. AKA LAME
Dameshi: wont level his sam sub and is a lolblu, LAME
Citag: Doesnt put out, Really lame
Dasva: Uses Chu as a cover up for his desire for me greased up and naked on his bed, Lame.
Rydiya/Bra+Panties: Secret lesbien, doesnt wear bra+panties, like to knit and other old people stuff (bingo)
Pikachu/Chu: Hi Chu, I love chu
Kryee/Socks: Noms on socks, wears the sam red pair everyday and frequently sniffs her arm pits.
Cheyne: Domo origoto, Mr Roboto...I think he's gay.
Urial: SOCCER IS LAME AND YOU'RE LAME.
Thundars: LOLCANADIAN
Spence: LOLFRENCHCANADIAN
Enterius/ghost: He's a ghost...he'll say something witty to me later.
Ixe: Ducky face and cant seem to get a straw in her mouth (can get other things in there though)
Mairah: She cool...lame
Bart: Full times OPO-OPO, free mustache rides otherwise LAME
Sav/Mango: Field trips, yay!
Aly/thatgreenmodthatwillbanmeifIsayanythingbad: *tapes*
Woody: You're not Italian...no tea for you.
Sectum: My apprentice...loves asian girls, loves to cook...he's awesome. put me in a story where I wasnt a pedo and that'd cool
Rum:STOP RAIDING MY BASEMENT AND TAKING AWAY MY GIRLS GAWD. Long Islander...lame
Valencea:Wont tell me the color of her undies, you lost the bet...no we cant get married...NO MEANS NO
Kojo:Open pedo...he likes scat, ewww
Tohsou: I think he's a pedo with a girlfriend as cover up, lame.
Kiriyu/strawberry: Lurk Less post moar! I see you what you are doing!
Krizz: Mohawk guy #1
Triet: Mohawk guy #1...wait
Bloodbathboy: The Hulk
Kungfuhustle: AH%DUE%$JNSRGHSRHHEYHEHSA Y%HEDHGSR EAT AHUYY DONKEY NUTS
Celene: Quit...Canadian...who the hell quits?
Tbest: MIA
Eternaltriumph: Where the hell has he been? Is he gone cause he got pussywhipped or something? Whatever...
#2: GOD...I miss him /cry
Luelle/otherlu: The Other Lu.
Zekky: Quit, kicking ass, raped me :\
Krystale/Girlwithpiercing: Magnets stick to her, Toke Canadian, hawt...she's 15 right?
Marzbarz: NINJA
Rowland: All your Pocoyo are belong to...him
Weewoo/Tool: He liked Asura and wont admit it.
Miemo: Has a mithra avi c.c
Kalyna: is a girl right? right? oh...lame
Gimmeurselables: TOO MUCH BOUNCE...TOO BIG, EWWWW
Sagittario: Lame elf whu runs around in a diaper subligar
Ludoggy: Faggot
Edit: The Family Ni Tree
Luelle's (And Citag's too!) birthday present
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