[Dev] Upcoming Version Update Announcement

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Lol, mule > wife.

her idea :p

Also, in Camate's last translation, Matsui said himself that he actively chose between keeping the original style of the game (and keeping R/M/E on top) and taking the game in another direction in which R/M/E are surpassed, in the past he's said he had no plans to enhance R/M/Es, but after the outrage he would enhance them "against his vision".

People still don't seem to get that Delve is difficult. It certainly isn't impossible, but the NM's take coordination and strategy which includes needing specific support jobs and party configuration as well as needing the DD to be able to hit and hit hard. Barring those things you are wasting people's time.

People also seem to forget that Delve isn't the only new content. Unfortunately the vast majority of people think it is. "Why should I waste my time on skirmish when the delve gear is better?" I hear this all the time. The answer is because you need better gear to be effective in Delve. You need to be effective in Delve to get the Delve Gear and Weapons. So go do NNI, Salvage2, Skirmish, Wildskeeper and improve yourself. Then do Delve.

Don't stand around doing nothing with the hope that somehow you will get into a pick-up-group delve KI party and it won't fail until that third attempt where people with Delve gear come help.

Why be bored for 5 hours when you could be playing other content that still benefits you. Who cares if you will potentially throw some that gear out in the near future? I tossed my Tlalpoloani with no regrets. But I got my Tlalpoloani and some NNI gear before I attempted Delve, and it helped me succeed at Delve. The Delve gear has helped me get even better at NNI. I still wear a good chunk of the NNI gear even though I have some delve gear.

Getting a Skirmish weapon one day just to get a Delve weapon the next is wasteful, and it isn't how this game has worked in years past. This is why many people don't see a point to doing Skirmish, I fully understand Matsui's equipment ladder proposal, you do Pre-SoA -> Reives -> Skirmish -> Delve. I get that, many people understand it, but it's something that isn't FFXI, Matsu brought in a way of doing things that FFXI players just aren't going to follow, it isn't going to work. Yes, it works in other games, but we do not play those other games.

I don't mind difficult content, I just personally dislike 18-man content. People get dumber in large groups because they think other people will pick up the slack for them. This isn't the case with a lot of the good shells, of course, but the point is that there's a lot of shells that form and fail because of that problem on top of lots of players being awful in general. This is without factoring in a shrinking playerbase and the fact that you need peoples' schedules to line up, and by now a lot more of the playerbase are 20 years or older with jobs/families. Maybe if we were all still back sleeping our way through education we'd have much easier time finding people (albeit with a significantly higher chance of running into a douche).

As for farming delve fodder for pickup groups...well, that's basically the same as just doing an exp party (JPs even call it "Mena-po", a portmanteau of Menace Inspector and Meripo, though if you want to interpret it as a shortening of Menopause I presume it's about as painful), and I think we all agree that exping is like the worst thing ever in this game.

New assault or salvage like content for small groups? Take my money. Of course, they had to go and delay Skirmish II until August. The clock was already ticking, SE, and if it releases with a grand total of two areas and is just another randomly generated "kill everything" dungeon I doubt you'll be keeping the lowman group players very long.

I read it as cross server pt invite, it really excited me a little :(

I need the pieces to drop. I have like 3 sets where i just need legs >_>

@Kojo


Are you serious? Ever camp an NM back in the day. Ever spend millions on a scorpion harness to have it replaced by almost free gear purchased from an NPC? Ever been told you couldn't join a LS because your gear wasn't good enough?

It has always been this way. We have never had an expansion come out and just get all the good stuff without any effort. Maybe you didn't see the large "elite" LS's getting their *** stomped for the first couple weeks while they rebuilt their gear, but it happened (even if they don't want to admit it). Many people couldn't compete at Abyssea for a long time until the level cap was increased sufficiently and they could be stronger and only then could they complete the previous Abyssea content. Now instead of levels, you are increasing gear. You can't just jump to the best because it's there, unless someone drags you to it, but why is that their onus to bear when they took the time to better themselves and you don't want to.


1. Apparently so was buying abyssea gear but people did it.
2. No, it's not. It's called progression. People just want to be lazy and skip whole chunks of content. And they will stand around for hours upon hours trying to do it, complaining as they do, instead of actually improving themselves.
3. Following your logic, why should anyone get the normal Delve weapons/gear when they could get the Delve boss weapons/gear in the future.

obviously the dev's plot is to make the lowman players want to move to the more casual ffxiv, and keep the people who love giant events happy in xi

Arent there huge events planned for XIV? Like that system with monsters so big they have multiple points to attack that will use more than 18 people (since no one uses 36 people for einherjar).....

Yes to the NM, no to the Scorp Harness, as my old HNMLS used to do stuff, gear their members and had crafters, and no the the LS rejection thing.

No one is asking for the good stuff with no effort, people WANT to do Delve, people enjoy doing Delve, lack of Skirmish isn't remedied by one person, it takes 6 people to be available and think "I wanna do that." at the same time, on the same schedules, etc.

Now, did you do Skirmish or did you have a Relic and jump right into Delve?

That ladder would have worked if delve would have first been released in the december update rather than last update or how I would have done it once all the wildkeepers had been released. There is no point for these new wildkeepers to drop any gear at all as it wont be the same level as current delve gear. New Naakaul weapons wont be a patch on the current crafted gear. They are rushing ***out to keep people on XI as well as playing XIV instead of just canceling for XIV I think for quite a few people the damage SE have caused in the rush has driven a mass migration to XIV or other MMOs.

What they should have done

1) Launch added more missions rest the same
2) may update adjustments to the skirmish item drop rate and made them buyable with bayld job adjustments and AF
3) july/august more missions/quests new areas and new wildkeeper reives job adjustments (1hrs) new bayld gear/weapons expansion to skirmish
4) october update missions quests adjustments the remaining wildkeepers and expansion to skirmish
5) december update Delve first 3 bosses.

If they wanted that gear ladder to happen thats how it should have gone. RME update would have been in january after a small shitstorm phase.

Where the hell is emp mythic relic 99 upgrade?

atm the current gear progression with everything in mind is this

Craftable/AF/xNM(KSNM,KCNM,HKNM,BCNM,ENM)(somewhere in here is sea and sky)->dyna(for af2+2(auged) purposes->aby->VW-> Salvage,Einherjar,Meebles,Legion (minor peices in all)-> Reives(including WK) -> Skirmish -> Delve-> and beyond.


Which is perfectly fine, the problem with most of the playerbase is this:

Craftable/AF/xNM(KSNM,KCNM,HKNM,BCNM,ENM)(somewhere in here is sea and sky)->dyna(for af2+2(auged) purposes->aby->VW-> Salvage,Einherjar,Meebles,Legion (minor peices in all)-> Reives(including WK) -> Skirmish -> Delve-> and beyond.

They've done everything...and Skirmish/Reives are not "worth" spamming. So there is only delve.

and what they really should've done is kept the DT- based on colonization rate on delve bosses. It would've kept everyone spamming roots and walls(And doing coalition assignments!) in the downtime between plasm runs.

I didn't and don't have a relic. I have a Empyrean dagger at lvl 90, but no one wanted thief/dancer for delve. I did a bunch of Reive and got the Thurandaut set, then did Wildskeeper reive and got my KI and the H2H weapon from that which allowed me to start getting into Delve parties. I was fortunate enough to get tons of Reive done when there were tons of people doing it all the time.

I have done skirmish a number of times since then to get better weapons for my NNI static so we can hit floor 100 more often.

I have never belonged to a large event ls other than a Dynamis specific one back in the day, and they only did Dynamis. So I never had a large group of people to help me and I have had to really put in the effort for what I do have. From start to my finish (lvl 90 - I don't have the gil to progress it further) it took me 14 months to build my Twashtar. It was basically completed with a 6 man team playing once a week, and each week one member of the group chooses what we do and how the loot is distributed.

In my opinion people are better off doing something and slowly making progress then waiting around for someone else to help you make progress more quickly. You aren't bored that way and can at least have a feeling of accomplishment. I am not saying I wouldn't accept help in making progress if it was offered, in fact I would love it, but in my experience those instances are few and far between, and on that note thanks to Tulia and Skyfire for helping me make some of the Delve progress I have made.

The nly way to "do something" is to really Multi-box with bots... unless you are super-awesomeness incarnate and can control 6+ characters flawlessly without wiping. Then you have the problem of getting their gear to help you do that :| Kinda gets monotonous after gearing one character to have to gear a second, must be almighty HELL to gear 4 more after that.

This!
Ohh wait mog gardening enhancements are a more important use of the development team's resources than changing a couple digits on weapons...

1. People don't do that stuff anymore, not often anyway, and when they do, some people are not on, thus there is no way for some people to climb the ladder via WK Reives. There aren't many responsible people out there that will call in sick to make a WK Reive.

2. This is how the game used to be, you joined an LS and while it was expected of you to take responsibility for many things revolving around your character, we were almost a family, we played together, fought together, accomplished goals together, we argued, we fought, and we made up, but we also helped one-another, we took care of each other. I can remember pulling an entire alliance to Simurgh just because one person wanted the boots, we didn't help because we were gaining something from the NM, nor because that person would "owe us", we did it because that's what we did.

3. As I said, it's FFXI mentality, which has evolved slightly over the years, The ladder makes sense, but the mistake made was thinking that FFXI players would keep doing an event that cost 1.3mil+ to even access, and access was only made easier after a month when the new event, Delve, was added. Everyone went to Delve.

Why do so many people cry like a little girl with a cut knee when a new update is announced? Awwww you didn't get what you wanted, better get on the internet and moan about it right away....

Personally I am happy that there is new content to keep me going, whether I choose to involve myself in it (e.g. MMM) or not (e.g.Neo-Nyzul)- at least they are bothering trying to keep a 10 year old game fresh!!!

Also, I just don't understand the mentality of people wanting to play MMORPG solo (Protip - The 2nd "M" is the clue here). There are plenty of single / 2p co-op games out there. Go play something else that will be way more interesting solo. If you are 8-boxing to get yourself a new weapon in a game, you are one of life's losers I'm afraid.

There are 2 reasons to play this game:

1) To have fun
2) To help other people have fun.

If you don't agree with this, you are doing it wrong. Fact.

/endrant. Coolstorybro etc etc

I am also going to let my accounts expire for awhile. I took the money I had set aside for FFXI for 4 accounts this month and went shopping with some friends lol. The above was the result lol. Buy one get one 1/2 off on everything NERF in the store.

I think I will just funnel my money into preorders for things like Titanfall, Watchdogs, MGS5 ect ect.

Aldouin started off really exciting and strong for the first few weeks and lost its luster after that for me. All these future updates are 100% uninspiring to me and I straight don't feel like investing my time or money into FFXI any further when a lot better things are on the horizon, and NO I don't mean FFXIV lol.

This, Sir, is awesome. I applaud you and those like you.

Final opinion on Topic is that I am all good with the updates. People will be able to successfully do Reive again. The monstrosity thing sounds cool. It would be cool if the new missions/quests involve having to do some of the events that people are trying to skip, kind of like raising your level of assault made you get more tags and reaching higher floors of nyzul made it easier to break weapons etc...

This post, so balanced.~

Maybe he means Elder Scrolls Online!
It will smash ffxi and ffxiv combined.

NERF guns > any MMO.

Really.

I'll probably go buy one after work, been meaning to buy one for a while now.

...that shotgun-looking sucker, second gun, second row.

I've never seen that before. Oh man. I'm totally snagging that thing stat.

Who says you can't act like a child at 31?