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By Kimble2013 2013-06-26 01:27:13  
No, you just trash XIV in XI threads. Sometimes when its unprovoked, lol.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2013-06-26 01:27:20  
Kalila said: »
I'm not talking about someone coming in saying FFXI sucks, everyone should quit before the servers go down. I'm talking about real opinions about a serious subject, or an issue. If the Dev Team made a choice that drove people away (C&B, R/M/E, nerfs, boring content), then that falls on SE. It isn't the players fault for losing interest. The player should not continue to pay for a game they no longer have fun playing. That doesn't mean they no longer care about the game, they just feel atm there is no reason to give the company money if they don't provide a product worth paying for.

Yes and I agree with you. If someone has a valid point then they can say so and contribute to discussion relating to FFXI. Adding that FFXI is on its deathbed with FFXIV coming to crush it is just unnecessary imo. Nobody cares you quit and sold your account to play FFXIV and pity the "poor souls" still playing. Get lost lol.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2013-06-26 01:29:38  
@Kalila

Does an opinion from someone leaving for the younger, hotter sister hold any value?
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By Kimble2013 2013-06-26 01:30:47  
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Since people are struggling to keep the topic on track, here's a question.

If someone has quit the game, does their opinion of the game no longer matter? They've played years, just like everyone that is still playing, but they have lost interest or can no longer put the time into playing the game.


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I personally think their opinion does have value, if not more than someone that still plays the game. If you still play, you're going to keep playing. However, someone who has left the game quit for a reason, and if that reason was based on a development decision then there is a lot of value in what they have to say. The reason I feel it does is because if SE changed the reason they left (for example: boring content, nothing to do), then making updates to counter that reason would bring players who left back.

I'm not talking about someone coming in saying FFXI sucks, everyone should quit before the servers go down. I'm talking about real opinions about a serious subject, or an issue. If the Dev Team made a choice that drove people away (C&B, R/M/E, nerfs, boring content), then that falls on SE. It isn't the players fault for losing interest. The player should not continue to pay for a game they no longer have fun playing. That doesn't mean they no longer care about the game, they just feel atm there is no reason to give the company money if they don't provide a product worth paying for.

To comment on this. I played from PC launch till over a year ago. I keep an eye on XI because I want to see if there is anything that interest me enough to want to come back and check things out. So far though, nothing really has, and it seems like their development cycle is as slow as its always been.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2013-06-26 01:31:27  
@Draylo

I know that's a knock at me!! wth I didn't say anything!
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2013-06-26 01:36:42  
Whatttt nah.
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By Sylph.Jrpg 2013-06-26 01:37:27  
is it okay for someone to like playing both FFXI and FFXIV? :(
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2013-06-26 01:37:52  
Sylph.Jrpg said: »
is it okay for someone to like playing both FFXI and FFXIV? :(

As long as you like FFXI.
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By Odin.Cyprias 2013-06-26 01:38:49  
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Kimble2013 said: »
Oh god, don't act like XI is hard and it takes an extreme amount of talent to play, lol.

Harder than XIV, can tell you that much.
No, you can't tell that much.

The game is not out, therefore difficulty is not officially regulated. While beta's usually just flesh out what they have into the real game, going from 1-50 is easy just like any other MMO. Was not hard in XI to get to level cap, and it's not hard in XIV (in the beta at least). No one absolutely knows how difficult the endgame content of XIV:ARR is going to be yet. This implies that there is no comparison of how much harder either one is if FFXIV's doesn't exist yet.

In fact, it's pointless comparing MMO's period. Most of them are easy to advance in content, otherwise people would become flustered and drop their subscriptions. Of course this changes with F2P models, but generally it all depends what you like. Just leave it at that and let people be.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-06-26 01:46:42  
Objectively, there will never be really tough content anymore.

It was fun back in the days, when people paying for MMOs were passionate and stuff, but this is 2013 and beyond, you cannot put content that is literally too hard.

At this point, only people who have a real issue grasping game mechanics can't clear some content. The number is only inflated because very few people are given the chance to try most of the tough content, in FFXI case.
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By omnys 2013-06-26 02:53:45  
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You do realize both games can co-exist right?

Also, XIV is in BETA, and dont think anyone can rightly judge how hard its going to be, lol.

1.) XIV Players feel this way.

2.) A decreasing amount of XI players feel this way.

3.) SE doesn't seem to feel this way. The better XIV gets, the worse XI gets.

I'm pretty sure the NDA probably doesn't allow me to talk about what's going on in the beta forums, but suffice it to say that while the devs are ignoring us in XI, they're listening there.

For the majority of people, SE was the one that managed to pit the two games against each other. XI players know that XIV will always have better graphics. XIV players accept that XIV is created in a different time and that some of the difficulty they loved about XI may never return. It's SE that makes us feel like the red-headed step-child, while XIV gets nice presents on its birthday, and our birthday too.
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By Enuyasha 2013-06-26 03:02:27  
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You do realize both games can co-exist right?

Also, XIV is in BETA, and dont think anyone can rightly judge how hard its going to be, lol.

1.) XIV Players feel this way.

2.) A decreasing amount of XI players feel this way.

3.) SE doesn't seem to feel this way. The better XIV gets, the worse XI gets.

I'm pretty sure the NDA probably doesn't allow me to talk about what's going on in the beta forums, but suffice it to say that while the devs are ignoring us in XI, they're listening there.

For the majority of people, SE was the one that managed to pit the two games against each other. XI players know that XIV will always have better graphics. XIV players accept that XIV is created in a different time and that some of the difficulty they loved about XI may never return. It's SE that makes us feel like the red-headed step-child, while XIV gets nice presents on its birthday, and our birthday too.
I just have rancor because they lied to the world and made another Final Fantasy MMO when they publicly stated they would never again make another FFMMO. Then, its not even that different and is really a mash-up of all FFgame lore up to XI. I have my reasons outside being an 11 year XI addict for despising XIV on a conceptual level.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-06-26 03:54:45  
I was backreading...how can people deem this update a fail?

New missions
Coalitions progress
New zones&mobs
New Naakuals
Skirmish Returns
Mog slave children island
Monstrosity

This is awesome. Ignoring the fact that it's split in 30 days apart, it's a really good update. And then there's the additions to new jobs and CROSS-REGIONS PT INVITES!(hurray 10 years later)

p.s. you are all colorblind(re:geo hat)
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By Kalila 2013-06-26 03:57:56  
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I was backreading...how can people deem this update a fail?
because those people aren't getting what they want, so it's automatically a failure.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-06-26 04:00:24  
Monstrosity is the thing that stands out the most for me.

It sounds like instant fun, I may subscribe again when it comes out, hopefully they'll go all the way to make something that keeps people around it, not like Pankration (which was a ton of fun the little it lasted).
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By Quetzacoatl 2013-06-26 04:01:43  
I personally think they should get the AF in the game in July instead of august

but everything else seems fine, yeah
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By Lakshmi.Razius 2013-06-26 04:14:38  
omnys said: »
I'm pretty sure the NDA probably doesn't allow me to talk about what's going on in the beta forums,


Just going to chime in to say that the NDA has been lifted by about a week :) It was in a mail they sent us about a fortnight ago.

Also goodmorning everyone, *yawns*.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-06-26 04:18:46  
I believe that the NDA is only targeting videos and music.

Everything else can be discussed (so that includes anything on the beta forums).
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By Quetzalcoatl.Jamiemadrox 2013-06-26 04:20:30  
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Objectively, there will never be really tough content anymore.
This is an old, beaten down line. There was nothing hard about parking your character in the aery, loading up your claim bot and glancing at the screen for a few seconds every time window was open.

The only content that would of been considered hard was hard due to *** mechanics (AV for example).
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-06-26 04:23:05  
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Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Objectively, there will never be really tough content anymore.
This is an old, beaten down line. There was nothing hard about parking your character in the aery, loading up your claim bot and glancing at the screen for a few seconds every time window was open.

The only content that would of been considered hard was hard due to *** mechanics (AV for example).
Wasn't talking about FFXI, just MMOs in general. Though, tough can be read as "toughest". So it's not necessarily hard, it's just "the hardest".

Nothing was tough in FFXI outside of AV/PW and maybe a few other exceptions (Vrtra, in a way), the only curve was learning what are now basic mechanics.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Jamiemadrox 2013-06-26 04:42:50  
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Jamiemadrox said: »
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Objectively, there will never be really tough content anymore.
This is an old, beaten down line. There was nothing hard about parking your character in the aery, loading up your claim bot and glancing at the screen for a few seconds every time window was open.

The only content that would of been considered hard was hard due to *** mechanics (AV for example).
Wasn't talking about FFXI, just MMOs in general. Though, tough can be read as "toughest". So it's not necessarily hard, it's just "the hardest".

Nothing was tough in FFXI outside of AV/PW and maybe a few other exceptions (Vrtra, in a way), the only curve was learning what are now basic mechanics.
Ah, thought you were discussing just FFXI. Vrtra also fell into that *** mechanic, mainly due to spaghetti code.
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By Bismarck.Oldmancebi 2013-06-26 05:12:19  
Update notes looks disappointing.. Can see why people are upset about it but I don't know how any of you can quit for FF14 considering how young it is?

I don't know about you or anyone else, but surely I'm not the only one who can't be asked to start a new MMO

Only thing I'm confused about is the Blackout measure, is that like limiting character models or what? Anyone got an idea what it means?
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-06-26 05:49:50  
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Ignoring the fact that it's split in 30 days apart, it's a really good update.

I personally think I'll like the update, but I really hate that all the really meaty stuff is going to be in August.

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Only thing I'm confused about is the Blackout measure, is that like limiting character models or what? Anyone got an idea what it means?

Sounds like character model limitations. PS2's been having a ton of blackouts in Adoulin areas for JPs so it's likely directed more at PS2 than anything.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-06-26 07:18:32  
Kalila said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I was backreading...how can people deem this update a fail?
because those people aren't getting what they want, so it's automatically a failure.
I think the game is failing as a whole, not just the updates, the only way the updates are a fail is because SE continues in the same direction that is pissing people off. The game started failing after Abyssea then came back more casual as those like me who lost interest in end game came back just to play for fun. Now they are bringing hard core stuff back and while it seems there is interest, the majority of people seem to think that anyone without X job using X weapon is worthless. It's not all SE making the game fail, it's the stupid people that refuse to let newer people do things to get gear, thus driving them elsewhere, and on SE's end it's been 2? 3 months? With no new content, and people are getting tired of Delve and bored of FFXI because Delve is the only content worth doing now.

Delve is fun, I admit it, but when you're fighting for points to buy something you're incapable of buying it becomes boring. There's also complaints of issues with Bivouacs and the stupid idea of the "You need this KI to get here." Said KI costs between 600k and 3mil, no thanks.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-06-26 07:21:53  
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New missions
Coalitions progress
New Naakuals
Skirmish Returns
Mog slave children island
Monstrosity
All of these things mentioned are casual-friendly.

And it's been said they're fixing couriers assignments, which will help colonization a lot.

The fact that you don't enjoy the game does not relate to this update, which is in fact really good.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-06-26 07:23:48  
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No, you just trash XIV in XI threads. Sometimes when its unprovoked, lol.
somehow, i think that's a bit more appropriate than coming into the XI forums just to try to convince everyone it's dead and they should play 14
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By Enuyasha 2013-06-26 07:27:21  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
New missions
Coalitions progress
New Naakuals
Skirmish Returns
Mog slave children island
Monstrosity
All of these things mentioned are casual-friendly.

And it's been said they're fixing couriers assignments, which will help colonization a lot.

The fact that you don't enjoy the game does not relate to this update, which is in fact really good.
They apparently are making ergon locus disappear in this update. Or was that already a function?

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Adjustments to Scouts’ Coalition’s “Survey” coalition assignments.
Increase the Egon Locus maintenance rate for one coalition assignment.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-06-26 07:29:12  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
New missions
Coalitions progress
New Naakuals
Skirmish Returns
Mog slave children island
Monstrosity
All of these things mentioned are casual-friendly.

And it's been said they're fixing couriers assignments, which will help colonization a lot.

The fact that you don't enjoy the game does not relate to this update, which is in fact really good.
I don't see anywhere in the update where SE is fixing the attitudes of stupid people. I never said I don't enjoy the game, I'm just bored of it, tired of people's attitudes, and waiting to see what happens. Secondly, I think it's hard to balance a game with hardcore and casual and let them play on an equal level. I'm curious as to how SE plans to do this, if they plan to at all. For now, I'm just playing the waiting game.

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By Ragnarok.Zeromega 2013-06-26 07:47:15  
Kalila said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I was backreading...how can people deem this update a fail?
because those people aren't getting what they want, so it's automatically a failure.
I remember when we sort of dreaded updates because updates ment something good was getting taken away... the upcoming updates provide a lot of content that provide instant gratification after only 1 win. rather than having to wait in line in a linkshell for 3-4 months to get the first piece of gear you want, it's nice on that aspect, but still sad to see all the effort of players seem wasted, one big up side to final fantasy games was that there is always the final, and ultimate gear/weapons, now with the gear treadmill we have coming in ffxi will be losing that solidified goal.

I was initially disappointed over the lack of rme update, but now I've just decided to make ghorn for my mule rather than mandau for my wife. Life goes on.
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By Afania 2013-06-26 07:49:33  
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By the time they get around to updating R/M/E, everyone will then complain about having to replace their fully upgraded Delve weapon with their R/M/E.


Nah, we know delve weapons would be replaced eventually, so it's not that much of a big deal.
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