SE Wants You To Bring Along "gimp" Players...

Maybe just level COR to 99 until you have enough plasm for a delve weapon. DDs are a dime a dozen so people can be picky.

Shirmish would have been a great way for new players to get on that ladder. Same with wildskeeper.... then they made shirmish cost millions with little rewards until you keep repeating it and wildskeeper being 100K bayld with random drops.

They had a great ladder planned out, but then they added delve in a month and made it so easy to enter. Making easier content harder to enter and with less rewards.

Yeah skirmish was implemented incredibly stupidly, but they fixed it now at least(hopefully they won't repeat the mistake next update..)

Think the problem with the SOA ladder design is that most people with ERM/NNI equip/VW can jump straight into delve (until most of them got delve weapons and started only shouting for delve weap onlys).

This leaves the not so well equipped people and new comers thinking they can do same + no one really bothered with skirmish. But they refuse to climb the old ladder to get ERM and they refuse to climb the new ladder, both requiring efforts and not too popular anymore. So they feel stuck.

Of course there's also a bunch of ERM wielders getting SoA late and find they can't do anything... Now if only these people unite, they might just work out a solution for themselves... but if people are doers instead of moaners then this convesation would've ended ages ago. ^_^

Skirmish costs very little to enter the T1s and doesn't take much to get what you need.

100k for wildskeeper wasn't really a lot and it's being cut in half/ 3/4 soon.

I have always paid it forward and have always been thankful for the help I've received both in and out of this game. It's better to work together for this collective goal than it is to make enemies or pass people off as unacceptable that may be your only option in accomplishing something in the future.

My offer stands, and any old linkshell mates can vouch that I used to own on the parser with lesser gear, would lead many small group events and contributed heavily without complaint or the expectation of fast rewards. I know this isn't everyone but those of us lesser geared or new to content shouldn't be thrown in the same boat because we aren't all equal.

Edit: missed the quote somehow ~.~

Maybe not quite related, but it's my feelings about the game that came to mind now and I'd like to share:

I'm sure I'm not the only one that started the game as a casual and not with the hardcore mmo mindset. I'm sure many like me were in love with the adventuring part of the game, doing missions, exploring, etc. The most fun I've ever had in FFXI was not any endgame ever, but was being a low lv casual player doing missions with my 3 friends level by level. It was a really great time, and it'll always be a precious memory. However, there comes a time in the game where this aspect just ends, because missions are over, there are no new things anymore and all you're left with is the carrot game that is all about chasing gear. This changes the game experience completely and it becomes a new game altogether. At this point, if you like me were one of those that loved adventuring, you either quit and move on, or stick around and deal with the fact that you're now playing a different game.
I could redo missions and stuff for someone who needs, but it just wouldn't be the same anymore, because I've already done it, I already had my share of enjoyment from exploration and redoing it is not an adventure anymore, but just a pain in the butt. This is also why it's hard to enjoy a storyline if it is not released in a proper timeframe...it just takes away the adventuring. Killing roots is not an adventure.

Sorry about the rambling.

I'm seeing this complaint pop up far too much in this thread, so I feel it needs to be pointed out.

Everyone's complaining about the "top tier players" requiring Delve weaponry to join plasm shouts. On Bismarck at least, this is simply not true. The people I generally see restricting potential members are the same egotistical shits who wish they were top-tier so they impose unnecessary restrictions in an attempt to make themselves seem superior to the unwashed masses. Quite a few endgame players that I know have no issues doing plasm runs or the like with people that lack Delve weaponry, because it's not like they had it the first time they cleared it either.

Also, this requiring Delve weapons for older content crap needs to stop. I've seen people get turned away from NNI because they didn't have a Delve weapon, and that's simply inexcusable imo.

So yeah, on Asura skirmish weapons are not a viable alternative. At this point to play DD for most things you better have a delve weapon rank 7+ or a boss weapon. While standards for DD are quite high it's still possible to come as support. You probably need to make a gearset or two but it's mostly stuff you can obtain with little work (assuming you didn't have your heart set on playing bard).

As for pickups with randoms and paying it forward: I have tried several times to assist random groups. It is difficult to get players with the level of game understanding or coordination necessary to beat these NMs. It is especially frustrating because my linkshell lowmans this content with little trouble. I have no objection to helping weaker players become stronger; however, NM fights in PUGs are so annoying that I have given up trying to help. That's not elitism, it's anger management. This is a game that I play for relaxation in my time away from work... and at the point where it becomes more frustrating than my job I should just go back to the lab lol.

No one ever asked you to.


You're entitled to your opinion, but you're missing the big difference: the leaders are getting things done, and you're complaining on a forum. If you don't want to lead, you have to follow, if you follow, you have to meet the leader's demands. If you want to change the paradigm, suck it up and lead by example.


You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the game. To do the mid tier delve content, all you need is a weapon and some delve junk. If you want to do boss runs, you need the gear from previous content. No one is taking Whms without proper refresh/cure/fastcast/potency sets, DDs without proper hybrid sets/af2+2 enhancements/-dt sets/ws sets, 3+ song Brds who know how to rotate, maxed enhancing/macc/stun/enfeebling mages, aegis+ochain plds, etc., and the majority of that gear does not come from delve.

If you don't do that stuff, you'll never catch up. Your character is more than a weapon slot.


The only difference between the leaders you describe and the mid tiers trying to get in the events is that the leaders bothered to take initiative. If people don't want to go with them, they don't have to. If they don't want to take certain people with them, they don't have to. Neither side owes the other anything, so I don't see the issue.

For the record, I came back to the game at SoA release after quitting in 2011. I did shouts, dual boxed, bugged friends, lead and joined pick ups for NNI, early Delve, VW, Dyna, Wildkeepers, etc to get my gear up to speed. I did runs with friends mules for stuff where I still needed gear, and I went on whatever job people needed to get the content done. I didn't particularly enjoy a lot of it, and got turned down or asked to come different jobs, but I did it so I could progress to the SoA content I wanted to do.

Now a few months later I have delve weapons, delve gear, Tojil and Muyingwa kills, and I'm still doing Dyna/Salvage/NNI/VW pickups to fill out gear sets for jobs so I can do more.

If you have the desire to progress, nothing is holding you back but you.

I joined a shout over the weekend with Ukon, so I don't think this is necessarily true in every situation. When it does happen, I can't say I blame people. If you get 30 /t in 15 seconds of shouting, why not take the ones with the highest damage potential?

I'd rather overkill than do the bare minimum to get by, especially since it raises your margin for error.

Solara, your avatar is so awkward. Looks like someone is erasing your face.

I got turned downed the other day with my 99spharai, I went to where the pt was gathering & saw all the rigor baknahs, & said to myself "yeah, ok, this makes sense"

Actually they have. Lots of times.


You're entitled to your opinion, but you're missing the big difference: the leaders are getting things done, and you're complaining on a forum. If you don't want to lead, you have to follow, if you follow, you have to meet the leader's demands. If you want to change the paradigm, suck it up and lead by example.[/quote]

I too am getting things done. You shouldn't type when you have no idea what you're talking about.



lulz. This should be rich.


These are often the requested requirements for the entry-tier delve content. If you are new to Delve, you are expected to have it before you can possibly have it.



People are doing this and still being denied solely because of their weapon slot.



It takes more than initiative to be an effective leader.


Like I said, people are doing this and it's still not enough.

Everyone is different surely, but I personally wouldn't turn down a lv 99 empy/relic for a simple point farm. I would though for a 5NM+Boss run.

Ha, I never really thought about it that way. My wife is in the original picture, and asked that I crop her out, so I just chopped it. It's a pretty old picture though, I suppose I should update it.

This is another problem with ladder content......

After a week of vacation I got back Sunday and I tried to go out and burn some Colonization tags and BHAMMMMMMMMMMM

I found out that Ceizak had lost all but 1 biovac and the Revies were up all zone with no player action so I couldn't even accomplish a Scouter's tag.

This low colonization leads to harder Wildskeeper and some new players cant even get through the zone to get to one OR even older members with biovacs down.

PLUS
I got home one day and found my room mate fighting Wildskeeper ( FOR THE LAST +8 HOURS) and ran out ASAP but got stuck by Revies since Biovacs were down and watched him win with me 1-2 revies away. (me on COR and 2 SMNs fought our way through 3 but were to late to join in.

I have been sitting on a Wildskeeper KI for 4 weeks ever since but cant find a run or time to complete one if I did given 8 hours to kill :( .

My mini social LS has been farming Delve using my roommates KI but once again no one can buy gears till we get clears AND YEA Delve only for most PUGs.

Eca

Colonization is terrible. I mean, it's a really nice concept but it does not work at all in practice.

Agreed. You think they would've figured out from Campaign that forced participation to maintain progress only causes people to go "eh, f*ck it" and never touch it at all.

the devs have never played this game.

In general though from what I've seen people don't lack the dedication in this game. Hell the lazier ff11 player is like the higher tiered in most other mmos:P

Also the game itself, always from my experience, needs you to do stuff that are leaning more towards "work" rather than "game" in order to advance. An example that comes to mind is the "equip a job you don't enjoy so you can play at some point down the road one that you do". That's why I said earlier that we shouldn't be harsh on the players from each side.
Some just disagree with the system,others try to use the system that SE designed.

Other than that regardless of efforts, successful or not, and in general personal time investment I do think that up to a point SE rushed to meet the demands of the higher tiered players. Hopefully the updates will balance it a bit though

Not in the context of this conversation.


You're complaining about what other people choose to do with their time on a forum, they're just out doing things without worrying about your opinion. I didn't state you weren't getting things done, I've already seen your profile so what you're getting done and what you're missing are both equally obvious.


You can possibly have it. Just because they are often the requirements doesn't mean that they are always the requirements, and it certainly doesn't put obtaining it another way outside of the realm of possibility.


People who don't have weapons aren't geared appropriately for boss runs, so that's irrelevant to my statement.


True, but it's the starting point. The rest can be learned, but won't learn it until they start trying. The weapon KI mobs aren't especially difficult, and the strats are well defined, it doesn't take a lot to lead a run on them.


If people are leading their own nm runs and going on properly geared support jobs that don't require delve weapons/items, what are they missing? Between the two, they would be getting both the KIs and plasm.

Agreed, this content design was very flawed. Between the updates to reives, lower priced tags, new bayld gear and the expected new wildkeeper content, hopefully they can drag out it's shelf life a little while getting a more permanent adjustment in place.

This was painfully obvious when they initially said their way of keeping R/E/M relevant was to let us unlock the WS with them.

on that note, update notes for the next 2 months are out no rme update to show for it, inc player rage

Who cares, new naakuals! *licks lips*

We bring non-delve DD to delve , you just gotta spread them out across multiple parties lol, its like they get weaker if you put them too close together amirite



for the sake of BALANCE!

Did you really expect RME updates any time soon? I can't imagine them doing that until the entirety of Delve has been introduced and is being beaten regularly.

They don't want to do them at all. I was under the impression we'd have weapons that trashed upgraded REM before the upgrade.