SE Wants You To Bring Along "gimp" Players...

maybe, but please name one (1) example of a player who had just piss-awful gear that you would hold up as a good player against all criticism

explain how that player is good in a way that does not involve his/her gear

Piss awful is an extreme and is vague.

If you can't find someone with worse gear shitting all over someone with much better gear, you aren't looking hard enough.

I don't think his wording of "gimp" was to be taken like this, but as being "gimp" is about the player and how they act.

Having ***gear and wanting to learn and grow with better gear leads to a better player, thus losing the "gimp" status.

Having awesome gear and not being able to utilize it correctly while making fun of others constantly nets you the "gimp" status, with not being able to lose it.

Least that's what I got out of it. The ability to learn is whether you're gimp or not.

I would go further and say that what makes someone not gimp is the ability to learn and apply what he/she has learned.

Some people learn but never take this extra step. They often use the excuse of being lazy, or that they don't care about a 2% increase and such.

Opportunity to gain gear is sometimes an issue. I was working full time and going to school. I didn't really have the time to farm gil or join a great ls, but I did do some Dynamis.

Personally I would say I was a better player than most that were there, which was mostly fodder members back then. My gear was not as good but I was still able to use better skill and understanding of the game even without the gear.

There are some limitations like you couldn't solo an Ix without something like wlegs or gaiters but other things were not like that.

except learning lessons and putting them in practice inevitably involves getting more gear, so your attitude sets up a convenient little Catch 22 where you can say that gear doesn't equal skill while simultaneously viewing bad gear as prima facie evidence of poor skill

in this way you allow yourself the moral high ground of saying you value skill and not gear without ever having to actually act on it and give somebody with shitty gear and no resume the benefit of the doubt

note that i am not judging you for this; (i assume) you are a grown-up and can play video games with whomever you please. just don't be a hypocrite about it

in any case, give me my one (1) example, or stop deflecting, admit to judging people solely based on arbitrary gear distinctions, and join me in criticizing SE for the super duper shitty decision to leave the gearing of random people who just want to gear up and be left alone in the hands of elitists such as yourself

def a gimp

I value both equally, ideally, I just have the objectivity to understand that gear allows for a certain margin where skill doesn't. Either you can do something or you cannot. Gear will sometime allow to do something, but not always, it's a minority. This is why I won't decline someone who can do something properly even without the best gear, as he still qualify as "good enough".

Because of this, I usually do not decline people based on their gear, but based on their actual abilities (and attitude). If they're good with ***gear, they're welcome. All about being positive and applying your progress, that's how you get gear, not by not applying what you learn, then you're just getting carried, you're not worth anything.

Only examples I can give you involve myself, so I'm not sure if it's a good example. I also don't like talking about it, I had to erase about 5 versions now so I'll keep it short.

Would be easier if we had known each other at some point in the game, but to keep it short and simple, my PLD alone is proof that I cannot possibly limit someone based solely on his gear.

I was the worst possibly geared PLD of Unicorn endgame between 2007 and 2009 yet I was picked over any Aegis, Homam, W legs etc (all of which I didn't have a single piece of). I'll always believe that someone can be good despite his gear, there are just situations where a minimum is required and I won't accept anything below that (my standards are lower than you think, don't worry) unless I can carry the whole thing myself, in which case I do not care at all.

I place more value on someone's attitude and ability to apply what he learns, stay positive, than his actual gear. Give me someone with absolutely ***gear but an inflexible positive attitude and I'll help shape this guy into the next best thing, anytime.

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The windows are large enough to not need any speed +.

so people picked you because they already knew you and could vouch for the head on your shoulders

was pld your best-geared job at the time

Still needed some from of movement speed increase to get them to the pinning rooms and get rid of the adds. Also allows for actual nuking vs just bio to death.

SAM was.

I built the reputation faster than I built either job. At some point jobs became irrelevant, people would let me do anything and everything (literally).

Feels good when you build such trust, but it's tiring when you always have to deal with delusional people who judge you on your gear or simply judge you because they think they are badass and you are automatically trash compared to them, no matter what you wear, no matter what you do.

This is what killed my FFXI, and that's why I could never be like that toward someone else in-game.

Given the kinds of mouth breathers you run into, it's not really surprising that people would assume every unknown player wears their pants on their head and thus judge them solely by their gear.

I'd go further than that, in this day and age, sir. I think we have gotten to a point that, for more than a few people in RL, there is no such thing, nor distinction, as right and wrong.

This just gives another vehicle for that degree of misconduct.

But keep rationalizing it to yourself. Social acceptance is more important than actually doing anything right...


*** off, for the first part.

Second part, you can probably drop that in the same realm of FFXIclopedia -- which some of you have tried to use to shut me up as well.

Speaking of the "*** off" department:


Whose *** reality? Certainly not the truth. Of course, I guess that's the real crux of this, isn't it? That we can recreate the truth and impose it on everybody else to suit our own criminal ends, isn't that right?


Wrong.

WRONG.

WRONG!

It stopped being "just a mere game" when people were spending a month's salary to hack the *** Internet so they could control gameplay.

You do realize that, at least at one point, half the characters on this game (at the very least) are/were RMT, and that most of the relevant top-level players were basically RMTing in one form or another, do you not?

Sorry, but you use that as justification, and I'm not going to buy it.


Which is exactly what known RMT sites have been doing (not unakin to where Square-Enix has had to sue for damages for counterfeit RL merchandise) for years now, with the full assent and encouragement of the (about 2009 and onward) playerbase.

These are sites that have been known to advertise on the game for years now.


Because you choose to be blind and delusional.


BG is the biggest virus in this game. The continued allowance of the North American playerbase to rely on them as leaders of the playerbase is one of the main reasons North American players largely stand ignored by Square-Enix.


Then you had better have me banned.

No joke. And then you will probably have to go further (court action, etc.).

The fact is that the playerbase in 2013 does not want to play the game under the Terms of Service. Moreover, not unlike this article I read on Yahoo! today, you want to destroy the positive work of all other players except for yourselves.


Some of us HAVE TO. We know what we are capable of otherwise.


Yes, and I'd suggest you educate yourself on how far the Internet persona intertwines with the RL attitudes of many scum on the Internet.

Start with a 2008 New York Times Magazine article about trolldom and how little they care for life itself.

I got better in Riker's Island than I got from some of you ***.


And that's why I have to white knight. Don't like it? Call the cops.


Actually, it is a crime, since Square-Enix claims absolute ownership of all in FFXI. You may wish to acquaint yourself with theft law in California, sir.


Then, basically, the Anakin Skywalker approach works. Make them care.

Of course, this game will probably die first, and may well take the entire franchise with it.


*** off.

You know I'm right, and that's it.

Then throw them out of FFXI under Game Disruption.

Such a "gimp" (in your eyes) is going to hinder every other player on the server (at minimum, which they play with -- and I'd well make a case for every player on the server).

This is more and more true as the functional level of the game becomes well past 100 with the new areas.

well that's certainly a way to have an intelligent conversation with others.

Either Starcade is trolling in a manner not seen in years, or he legitimately needs to find a psychiatrist.

Sorry, the guy's a twit and he's badly misleading people.

This game stopped being just a game when people could make shittons of money out of gimping the rest of the playerbase.

That kind of clique-ish behavior can kill people.

Presuming I believe them to be intelligent -- and that they aren't the same to me...

Rather than reading your post and answering it, I looked for a fitting image in Google real quick.

I think it says it all. Have a good day, champ. Don't stop believing in your dreams, Starcade, they might become real one day.

Best quotes:


Waking up to this makes my sides hurt.

People who think that you learn a job from 1-99, still in 2013, are the real gimps of this game.

what?

I cannot describe how bewildered I am at Starcade's posts. I am not one to just throw around "the person is trolling" whenever I see something I don't like, but I cannot possibly imagine this guy being real. If he is, well I guess it's not his fault for being in the 2 digits.

He's not trolling. The man legitimately needs professional help.

Look up "starcade debbie gibson" sometime. Dude's not right in the head.

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Usually I'm the troll on forums. But I feel in this instance, I need to pass the Baton to you.

You state "when people could make shittons of money out fo gimping the rest of the player base" Might I point out - Strategy guides allowing gimps without the required IQ / time / patience to see EXACTLY how to do stuff. Money right there.

Gaming magazines that released cheats to make money out sales, by showing people how to make games easier ERGO gimping their ability.. this is with like 100 % of all games out there in any damn country.

If you can refute this as making money out of showing players how to get more for less, the same principle with RMT's in FFXI I would like to see your logic. Because then I might begin to understand your point.

I've only ever heard a thing or two about Starcade before and never really paid attention, but now that I've actually taken the time to read this stuff, I can't help but be pleased that the XI community has slowly eaten away someone's sanity like a particularly malignant cancer. I've seen righteous anger, I've seen rampant narcissism, but I've never seen such a beautiful case of raving dementia. This is highlight of my XI experience. I can quit the game now.

He was like that before FFXI though.

define "a month's salary"