Leviathan.Starcade said: »
So that gives you the right to create your own networks/bots for your 8-10 simultaneous accounts, Thornyy?
So Comeatmebro is Thornyy? I feel slow/no wonder I always seem to agree with him
SE Wants You To Bring Along "gimp" Players...
SE wants you to bring along "gimp" players...
So Comeatmebro is Thornyy? I feel slow/no wonder I always seem to agree with him
Carbuncle.Anesthesia said: »
Leviathan.Starcade said: »
So that gives you the right to create your own networks/bots for your 8-10 simultaneous accounts, Thornyy?
I definitely read that as 'come eat me bro' the first time, and was wondering wtf is wrong with him...
Odin.Godofgods said: »
I definitely read that as 'come eat me bro' the first time, and was wondering wtf is wrong with him...
tbf, good name for a taru.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
"Criminal offense".
While it is against the ToS of FFXI, if you stop and think for a second, just using Windower to put FFXI in windowed mode was breaching the ToS, yet wasn't anything bad at all in term of action.
While it is against the ToS of FFXI, if you stop and think for a second, just using Windower to put FFXI in windowed mode was breaching the ToS, yet wasn't anything bad at all in term of action.
Except for two possible problems.
1) You are obtaining proprietary Square-Enix property in a manner outside that which Square-Enix prescribes. That can be considered "theft" in the State of California.
2) Could it not be considered hacking the game itself with some of the things Windower does?
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
It did open to much more, but the very base, which was against the ToS in itself, wasn't anything bad or offensive.
You need to think and be able to split things in more than one category. Some plug ins are down right HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE (TParty, recast to give examples) and are abused by every single player because they are absolute ***to begin with (both can be bypassed using the normal game tools) and didn't think one second of bypassing them before they were even out. Other plug ins such as Distance are ok, they aren't toxic, they are helpful and rather harmless objectively speaking.
You need to think and be able to split things in more than one category. Some plug ins are down right HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE (TParty, recast to give examples) and are abused by every single player because they are absolute ***to begin with (both can be bypassed using the normal game tools) and didn't think one second of bypassing them before they were even out. Other plug ins such as Distance are ok, they aren't toxic, they are helpful and rather harmless objectively speaking.
Distance can be quite critical, especially in certain fights where precision in where you are can be the difference between winning and eating an untimely Meteror to the face.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
You need to learn to make this difference. The underground plug ins being only available to a select few means that the majority of players who are crying about unfair plug ins have a higher chance to have never seen/experienced them than the opposite. Doesn't make them ok to use, what I meant by this is that people crying truly have no idea of what the really, really toxic plug ins are, and can be.
There's no difference. The third-party program usage has destroyed the balance of FFXI on a global scale. ALL the plug ins are toxic.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
About your second point, there is a very important thing you need to understand: you need to stop using the word illegal. It is "illegal" toward SE's ToS, but the most you can get out of it is a perma ban from their game(s). It is literally no big deal.
Use the word "violation" instead, it's more appropriate in this context.
Use the word "violation" instead, it's more appropriate in this context.
Who owns the gear?
Who owns the gameplay? (And with Nintendo's decision about putting ads on Let's Play-ers, that's not a trivial consideration.)
That's right... Square-Enix.
You see, that's the problem that a lot of you guys don't get. If Square-Enix wanted to force me to kill bees in Gustaberg for two hours every day on my 99 DRG with an Ophidian Trident, they could do so!
Acquisition of Square-Enix proprietary property outside that which Square-Enix prescribes can be considered theft.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
The only "issue" with Windower is that it's widespread
I'm going to edit you there because it's so widespread that your following statement is untrue...
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
But the bottom line and what you need to understand is that in reality, you have very little chance of facing real, uncounterable cheat.
Windower, in and of itself, is "real, uncounterable cheat".[/i]
Speed of access to information can be vital to winning fights. If Square-Enix wanted that information at that speed, they'd have given it to you.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
You also need to understand that the game is in such a state that your position and vision is literally 2006 old. It's not worth spending your time defending it, it is a long lost utopia.
I think you don't get that I'm not just looking at this as an in-game situation. I see this as the type of conduct and the type of "Laws for Thee, but not for Me." mentality that, if I were to conduct myself with that moral compass, a lot of people would not be around very much longer.
I don't see this as simply an in-game scenario. I see the *** cheats in this game as indicative of the kind of people who will be ru(i)ning this society over the course of the next generation or two.
Leviathan.Starcade said: »
I don't see this as simply an in-game scenario. I see the *** cheats in this game as indicative of the kind of people who will be ru(i)ning this society over the course of the next generation or two.
Yeah, clearly people do not/cannot have differing opinions on where to "draw the line" between right and wrong.
AFK killing newborn children - after all, I already cheated in a video game, so why the hell not, right?
And PLEASE try to explain away your use of ffxiah's services as being within SE's rules... after you try, we can go rape some nuns together.
Idiot.
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Actually, don't try to explain it, please. I'm sorry I even said anything to you.
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Fenrir.Terminus said: »
Actually, don't try to explain it, please. I'm sorry I even said anything to you.
No you're not sorry and you shouldn't be about complete ***
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Unless I see a warrant for every person that uses Windower throughout the world and all these people getting arrested, tried and convicted...
It's not considered a criminal offense. Against ToS, yeah, but not criminal.
Better get cracking with all those names to send to SE to get dems Police officers after the hooligans!
It's not considered a criminal offense. Against ToS, yeah, but not criminal.
Better get cracking with all those names to send to SE to get dems Police officers after the hooligans!
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Hi what are you in for?
I used an unapproved plugin to display recast times for abilities in an online game.
Okay man you get to be the wife.
I used an unapproved plugin to display recast times for abilities in an online game.
Okay man you get to be the wife.
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Hi what are you in for?
I used an unapproved plugin to display recast times for abilities in an online game.
Okay man you get to be the wife.
I used an unapproved plugin to display recast times for abilities in an online game.
Okay man you get to be the wife.
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Since I'm bored at work I'm going to start from page 1! Need something to read after A dance with dragons.
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »
Unless I see a warrant for every person that uses Windower throughout the world and all these people getting arrested, tried and convicted...
It's not considered a criminal offense. Against ToS, yeah, but not criminal.
Better get cracking with all those names to send to SE to get dems Police officers after the hooligans!
It's not considered a criminal offense. Against ToS, yeah, but not criminal.
Better get cracking with all those names to send to SE to get dems Police officers after the hooligans!
If I get a 911 call regarding someone using a 3pp on FFXI, I swear to Christ I'll personally drive to that person's house and beat them with their own phone. Then cite them for misuse of 911.
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Leviathan.Starcade said: »
Why did I answer all of this?
You don't grasp the scale of FFXI, it is a game, a mere game. You also do not realize who SE is, what is their position and what they actually want. The only times you'll see SE issue lawyer stuff is when a NDA is breached or when serious information are leaked. I don't remember them unleashing lawyers in any other situation.
We could ask BG, they probably experienced a lot more from them (I only know of these 2 kind of situations).
The bottom line is, you are as much of a cancer to this game/community as the people you're pointing the finger at. These people I'm talking about are the ones posting SSs of themselves with GM flag and so on. Those are idiots of the highest caliber for various reasons (you can use the functions without having the icon, I know it makes you look like a peasant, but ya), but they're merely the extreme on the other side of yours. You're playing the holy white knight, they're playing the stupid peasant.
Saying that these shitters are as much idiots in real life because they cheat in a video game is stupid. Internet persona, do you know what they are? People like Vigor and you are examples of dangerous people online due to their real life attitude and personality. You are more of a danger in real life than this guy I don't want to name since the previous paragraph because he's an idiot cheating in a video game. The fact that other players are involved is only a moral issue. I'm not saying I'm ok with shitting over other players, I'm merely saying that even if you do so, it's not a crime, it's a violation in a video game.
You may want to get off your horse already. SE doesn't care about your knight attitude and unless you are getting women/men in your bedroom thanks to this, you're wasting your time, nobody cares about your holy crusade.
I'm not even gonna argue any of your points, it's endless. My answers were "closed answers", there were no answers possible from you, they were all dead ends. The fact that you argue dead ends is proof that you cannot participate in any kind of discussion.
You can tell I'm paid to post on 4chan and do nothing, or I wouldn't even have bothered to answer.
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Leviathan.Starcade said: »
Someone needs to set you up with windower / spellcast. You know what they say... once you get windower you never want to play without it!
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
'se-wants-you-to-bring-along-gimp-players'
should rename this to:
'se-wants-you-to-bring-along-lazzy-***-players'
should rename this to:
'se-wants-you-to-bring-along-lazzy-***-players'
I think SE will agree if we don't bring along Starcade at least.
Valefor.Angierus said: »
Delve is actually pretty easy mode, it's not exactly difficult to cast stun.
Especially if you let your PC do all the work for you am I right?:P
would you bring along a gimp player if they were debbie gibson
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I like the 2006 ideals comment earlier. The whole Starcade argument reminds me of a Pepperridge farms commercial about the good old days, or a weekend visit to amish country to watch some dude build a wagon wheel and buy some home made cheese. If the game populous is too broken and disgusts you so much, just save yourself the $12.95 a month.
Carbuncle.Anesthesia said: »
So Comeatmebro is Thornyy? I feel slow/no wonder I always seem to agree with him
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Leviathan.Starcade said: »
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
"Criminal offense". While it is against the ToS of FFXI, if you stop and think for a second, just using Windower to put FFXI in windowed mode was breaching the ToS, yet wasn't anything bad at all in term of action.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
It did open to much more, but the very base, which was against the ToS in itself, wasn't anything bad or offensive. You need to think and be able to split things in more than one category. Some plug ins are down right HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE (TParty, recast to give examples) and are abused by every single player because they are absolute ***to begin with (both can be bypassed using the normal game tools) and didn't think one second of bypassing them before they were even out. Other plug ins such as Distance are ok, they aren't toxic, they are helpful and rather harmless objectively speaking.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
You need to learn to make this difference. The underground plug ins being only available to a select few means that the majority of players who are crying about unfair plug ins have a higher chance to have never seen/experienced them than the opposite. Doesn't make them ok to use, what I meant by this is that people crying truly have no idea of what the really, really toxic plug ins are, and can be.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
About your second point, there is a very important thing you need to understand: you need to stop using the word illegal. It is "illegal" toward SE's ToS, but the most you can get out of it is a perma ban from their game(s). It is literally no big deal. Use the word "violation" instead, it's more appropriate in this context.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
The only "issue" with Windower is that it's widespread
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
But the bottom line and what you need to understand is that in reality, you have very little chance of facing real, uncounterable cheat.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
You also need to understand that the game is in such a state that your position and vision is literally 2006 old. It's not worth spending your time defending it, it is a long lost utopia.
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Relatively certain that Matsui never inteded for everyone to be capable of killing delve naakuals straight out the gate, I recall him saying only the top players would be capable of it and the horizontal/lateral progression that would be added later (Skirmish 2, new Wildkeeper reives) is intended to make it "easier" for the others to clear the fights.
Doesn't matter if you give the bads who are incapable of killing the easy delve NMs for their KIs all the gear in the world, they won't likely be capable of completing top tier boss fights anyway and quite frankly shouldn't be rewarded for being bads.
People who have the capability of completing the "entry level" fights but can't due to there not being enough of their kind left to do the fights to begin with are unfortunate casualties, but it was an inevitability. It'll be much harder for them to get to the stage that other competent players are at, but not impossible.
The only true way to combat the issue is by increasing the ability of the poor players who are incapable of simple tasks like buying sushi and stunning TP moves, but that isn't something that a developer can do very easily or at all, and dumbing down content just for those sorts of people is not an acceptable solution. Having fights that require some modicum of skill and coordination is a refreshing change of pace from the last several years of content that we have seen.
Doesn't matter if you give the bads who are incapable of killing the easy delve NMs for their KIs all the gear in the world, they won't likely be capable of completing top tier boss fights anyway and quite frankly shouldn't be rewarded for being bads.
People who have the capability of completing the "entry level" fights but can't due to there not being enough of their kind left to do the fights to begin with are unfortunate casualties, but it was an inevitability. It'll be much harder for them to get to the stage that other competent players are at, but not impossible.
The only true way to combat the issue is by increasing the ability of the poor players who are incapable of simple tasks like buying sushi and stunning TP moves, but that isn't something that a developer can do very easily or at all, and dumbing down content just for those sorts of people is not an acceptable solution. Having fights that require some modicum of skill and coordination is a refreshing change of pace from the last several years of content that we have seen.
By modicrum in skill when it comes to stunning tp moves I assume you mean knowing how to program your bot to do it for you right?
But by all means show me a "skilled" player that doesn't run more scripts than most programmers to do all these simple things you mention.
It's nice and dandy to like challenges but when you put down other players when the top tier content is being basically botted,and calling that skill there is a natural hypocrisy there.
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If you don't like the new FFXI then stop playing it... No one, not even SE want to hear you complain... It's obvious. #getoverit #moveon
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So what's the rules on people using this 3rd party site bruh? or is this the exception? bruh bruh...[/quote]
No different than what happens in WoW really. And considering how many "addons" ff has now it's basically on the same level though in FF it's basically "black market" addons while in WoW it's part of the game.
So what's the rules on people using this 3rd party site bruh? or is this the exception? bruh bruh...[/quote]
No different than what happens in WoW really. And considering how many "addons" ff has now it's basically on the same level though in FF it's basically "black market" addons while in WoW it's part of the game.
I am thinking about coming back. If Certerus and Dafne do. Terxteed them both yesterday. I would be what you would call gimp now. I only have 95 empys, empy armor plus 2, NNI and VW gears. If there is any place I could find a welcome or home plz let me know.
Gimp isnt gear its the person, once a gimp always a gimp. Otherwise I am sure you will be fine.
Edit: Actually, it is very possible for someone to become ungimp with determination and a little help from friends. However it is the person, we saw that when relics and emps rained from the sky. Gear doesnt make the player, it only helps them.
Edit: Actually, it is very possible for someone to become ungimp with determination and a little help from friends. However it is the person, we saw that when relics and emps rained from the sky. Gear doesnt make the player, it only helps them.
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