JAPAN Politician " Sex Slaves Were Necessary"
JAPAN Politician " Sex slaves were necessary"
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Im shooting in the dark here but maybe he made this statement to rile up the nationalist base in JP who want to militarize amidst Chinas ascendance as a regional power and the US floundering?
Actually...
Sankaku Complex said:
The leader of Japan’s third largest party has spoken of the “cold” reaction his suggestion to the commander of Marine Corps Air Station Futenma that he have his soldiers make better use of Japanese prostitutes received
... it was part of his advertising pitch.
Moonwalkerv said: »
So what if a German mayor came out and said what the nazis did to the Jews was sorta kinda ok?
In turn, do you think the desecration of Erwin Rommel's memorial was kinda sorta okay in 2011?
/Devil's advocate
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Im shooting in the dark here but maybe he made this statement to rile up the nationalist base in JP who want to militarize amidst Chinas ascendance as a regional power and the US floundering?
Actually...
Sankaku Complex said:
The leader of Japan’s third largest party has spoken of the “cold” reaction his suggestion to the commander of Marine Corps Air Station Futenma that he have his soldiers make better use of Japanese prostitutes received
... it was part of his advertising pitch.
Ok now I think this Politician is just off the deep end. Def not all there in the head.
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
In turn, do you think the desecration of Erwin Rommel's memorial was kinda sorta okay in 2011?
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Blazed1979 said: »
Ok now I think this Politician is just off the deep end. Def not all there in the head.
Occupational hazard. /laugh
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Siren.Flavin said: »
It was aLEADING POLITICIAN of the main opposition who said that...
Nope, third largest and with hardly a seat in their Parliament.
America isn't alone in having stupid politicians who will open their mouth and embarrass everyone in their party except themselves.
legalize prostitution, eliminate sexual slavery, plenty of women and men who will have sex for money, plenty of men and women who will pay for it.
This would be like if one of my coworkers walked up to me with any quote Bill O'Rieley said ever, and then said it was appalling.
Not super relevant. Definitely not representative of general opinion. Lame on one guy's part, yes.
Not super relevant. Definitely not representative of general opinion. Lame on one guy's part, yes.
Moonwalkerv said: »
So what if a German mayor came out and said what the nazis did to the Jews was sorta kinda ok?
I dunno, the reason for the Holocaust was basically "Jews suck", whereas comfort women was "our soldiers need to get off". They're both horrible, but the latter actually had SOME kind of practical purpose attached to it whereas the former was just killing for the sake of killing.
It'd be more appropriate of a comparison if Japan tried to justify the aforementioned Rape of Nanking as somehow necessary, which incidentally they actually have done a few times- to the point that a bunch of their history books still contain stuff that's apocryphal.
Valefor.Fmaxgluttony said: »
Sex slaves are illegal? I should probably let the three I have in my basement free then, Their random moans at night make me think my house is haunted.
This guy...this guy right here. Exactly that :)
Valefor.Fmaxgluttony said: »
Sex slaves are illegal? I should probably let the three I have in my basement free then, Their random moans at night make me think my house is haunted.
Not sure if appropriate.
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Moonwalkerv said: »
So what if a German mayor came out and said what the nazis did to the Jews was sorta kinda ok?
In turn, do you think the desecration of Erwin Rommel's memorial was kinda sorta okay in 2011?
/Devil's advocate
Not at all. Desecration of any kind of memorial or grave is rotten in my eyes. Not all Nazi's were bad, infact my grandfather was in the Latvian SS Legion. Im sure not all Japanese were using comfort womem either but all this talk of it serving a perpous baffles me.
Im inclined to think if the majority of this forum wasnt anime and jp animation fans and this was said by a German the style of posting would be much more critical
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what I don't get is that when you look at european countries. they basically all despise each other to a degree but they understand their history and are like whatever and move on. with asian countries its like they hold grudges for generations and the people who aren't really affected hold grudges cuz of their families grudges.
come'on
its been like 75 years. times have changed. can't move forward as a society if people keep dwelling on the past
come'on
its been like 75 years. times have changed. can't move forward as a society if people keep dwelling on the past
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There are places in East Europe that are still stuck in the past century (whether it is technology or mentalities).
Japan is an island, they don't live the world the way "we" do. The same way as Americans cannot understand how it feels to live in EU if they never lived it. Those are just examples, this can apply to a lot of stuff.
I would be surprised if I heard a German politician say that. I would consider it just as wrong though, it's just that I wouldn't expect a German to say such thing seeing how WWII is treated there. But let's say he did, it would cause an uproar through the whole EU I think. Jail and/or other physical harm would be very likely.
Meanwhile, living alongside Japanese people for a few years and still doing it nowadays taught not to be surprised if they say this kind of stuff. It's "normal". It's not right, it should be punished in a way, but it's "normal".
You are probably right for some people.
FOR YAMATO!
Japan is an island, they don't live the world the way "we" do. The same way as Americans cannot understand how it feels to live in EU if they never lived it. Those are just examples, this can apply to a lot of stuff.
I would be surprised if I heard a German politician say that. I would consider it just as wrong though, it's just that I wouldn't expect a German to say such thing seeing how WWII is treated there. But let's say he did, it would cause an uproar through the whole EU I think. Jail and/or other physical harm would be very likely.
Meanwhile, living alongside Japanese people for a few years and still doing it nowadays taught not to be surprised if they say this kind of stuff. It's "normal". It's not right, it should be punished in a way, but it's "normal".
Moonwalkerv said: »
Im inclined to think if the majority of this forum wasnt anime and jp animation fans and this was said by a German the style of posting would be much more critical
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Actually, Western countries (Politicians, rather) only like to say that sort of thing when it fits their agenda.
That aside, most of the younger generation in Asian countries that don't give a ***about these things, same as with any given Western country.
Comparing Germany with Japan as far as the aftermath of WWII is not equatable using broad statements like "they should just forget about the past and move on" when you actually examine some of the things that happened. Read, for example, about Unit 731.
That aside, most of the younger generation in Asian countries that don't give a ***about these things, same as with any given Western country.
Comparing Germany with Japan as far as the aftermath of WWII is not equatable using broad statements like "they should just forget about the past and move on" when you actually examine some of the things that happened. Read, for example, about Unit 731.
volkom said: »
what I don't get is that when you look at european countries. they basically all despise each other to a degree but they understand their history and are like whatever and move on. with asian countries its like they hold grudges for generations and the people who aren't really affected hold grudges cuz of their families grudges.
come'on
its been like 75 years. times have changed. can't move forward as a society if people keep dwelling on the past
come'on
its been like 75 years. times have changed. can't move forward as a society if people keep dwelling on the past
Well, the EU's purpose was to make the countries interdependent upon each other so that less wars would occur. You are less likely to go to war with your neightbor when you are economically linked with them.
Bahamut.Kara said: »
volkom said: »
what I don't get is that when you look at european countries. they basically all despise each other to a degree but they understand their history and are like whatever and move on. with asian countries its like they hold grudges for generations and the people who aren't really affected hold grudges cuz of their families grudges.
come'on
its been like 75 years. times have changed. can't move forward as a society if people keep dwelling on the past
come'on
its been like 75 years. times have changed. can't move forward as a society if people keep dwelling on the past
Well, the EU's purpose was to make the countries interdependent upon each other so that less wars would occur. You are less likely to go to war with your neightbor when you are economically linked with them.
It was socially acceptable and deemed "necessary" to force young boys against their will to experience the absolute horrors of war through conscription but sex slaves during war is where we draw the "socially acceptable line?" This is really an issue of people not wanting to know or be reminded of the travesties that governments have and will continue to be a part of "on our behalf."
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Blazed1979 said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
This is not exclusive to the Japanese during WWII. Raping and/or enslaving civilians is nothing new either. There has been centuries of it.
For a politician in 2013 to come out and say sex slaves were "necessary" is appalling to say the least, and deeply worrying.
That said, it doesn't make it any less wrong that it happened, and is just as, if not more, appalling because someone tried to justify it.
Um actually the first legal slave owner was a black man. He went to court and convinced them to make his indentured servant his for life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist)
Hmm It won't link to main page. Just click the one that says colonist under other.
Is the guy with the mic shouting "whit-a pig-a go home-a" ?!
EpicDaze said: »
It was socially acceptable and deemed "necessary" to force young boys against their will to experience the absolute horrors of war through conscription but sex slaves during war is where we draw the "socially acceptable line?" This is really an issue of people not wanting to know or be reminded of the travesties that governments have and will continue to be a part of "on our behalf."
Interesting argument, I would say simply that forcing someone to sign up to kill people to feed(in a liberal and multitude of respects) your nation or defend it is necessary to protect it. No nation can truly exist in a vacuum and avoid preparing for conflict; trust me I'm grateful that the US has a volunteer service that has the numbers to keep us afloat and ahead but push come to shove to keep the nation we should be scrambled to protect what we are priviledged with. Everyone is ruled by someone these days it's just a lot of shades of grey and a lot more you can do(hopefully) to avoid being completely taken advantage of and twisted it'd be to say it but better my corrupt government than the crazy *** trying for complete domination where I'm not entitled to any rights.
I don't know how to articulate this correctly because I think of the War of Troy but...sex wouldn't stop a war; if someone is going to conquer you they're going to get it from you one way or another and from whomever if they are the winners. I believe it's socially unacceptable to have sex slaves simply because if you're going to war with someone your people should have a strong enough reason to do so without relying on crutches to fuel them on, I believe that implies a weakness in the cause itself.
Blazed1979 said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Blazed1979 said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
This is not exclusive to the Japanese during WWII. Raping and/or enslaving civilians is nothing new either. There has been centuries of it.
For a politician in 2013 to come out and say sex slaves were "necessary" is appalling to say the least, and deeply worrying.
for you perhaps...
I understood what he meant and was neither shocked nor appalled by it.
Quit sitting around waiting for something to get your panties in a bunch ya sissy!
You understood what he was saying and agree then?
So you are more or less saying that in times of war, using foreign women to satisfy your troops violent sex urges cannot be avoided. Appeasing them by providing them sex slaves is necessary ?
Please correct me because I can't see how anyone can "understand what he is trying to say" and not condemn it without they themselves seeing it as not that much of a big deal and "necessary".
First of all, you don't have to agree with people to understand their point of view. Secondly, I/you/we don't have to condemn or vilify someone for expressing an opinion that is different from "ours".
It's counterproductive.
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Blazed1979 said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Blazed1979 said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
This is not exclusive to the Japanese during WWII. Raping and/or enslaving civilians is nothing new either. There has been centuries of it.
For a politician in 2013 to come out and say sex slaves were "necessary" is appalling to say the least, and deeply worrying.
for you perhaps...
I understood what he meant and was neither shocked nor appalled by it.
Quit sitting around waiting for something to get your panties in a bunch ya sissy!
You understood what he was saying and agree then?
So you are more or less saying that in times of war, using foreign women to satisfy your troops violent sex urges cannot be avoided. Appeasing them by providing them sex slaves is necessary ?
Please correct me because I can't see how anyone can "understand what he is trying to say" and not condemn it without they themselves seeing it as not that much of a big deal and "necessary".
First of all, you don't have to agree with people to understand their point of view. Secondly, I/you/we don't have to condemn or vilify someone for expressing an opinion that is different from "ours".
It's counterproductive.
Please explain what he meant by saying that Japanese soldiers having forced sex slaves was necessary.
Hitler putting Jews into forced labor was necessary. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
No?
Is terrorism necessary?
Please tell me what you understand necessary to mean.
Now you're just nitpicking... I can't personally tell you exactly what he meant but it could be that giving these soldiers sex slaves kept them appeased and fighting... in better fighting spirits and such... throughout history conquering peoples often raped and pillaged conqured peoples... It can boil down to some guy repeating a historical fact... just because it seems necassary doesn't mean you necassarily agree with the practice or condone it... just accpeting it for what it was at the time...
Hell if the Germans won the war and the forced labor contributed to the succes of the Germans then you could look back on it and say it was necassary... or you could even say it was necassary for them to stand a better fighting chance in the war...
You take a narrow focus on something and try and pick at it... it may have been necassary at the time... sometimes we are faced with ugly choices and make those choices because they are necassary to acheive a goal or at least have a chance... some make those choices far easier than others...
In any case I don't get why you're making such a fuss over this..
Hell if you want to be outraged by something that actually matters... look at the dismal performance by the US military in preventing sexual assaults... over 26,000 US armed forces personell have anonymously reported sexual assaults and the like and the military really doesn't do anything about it besides try to sweep it under the rug... hell back in, I think it was February an airforce officer was convicted of raping a civilian contractor and then a commanding officer came in and invaldated the conviction and let him on his merry way... It looks like they're finally taking some steps to correct this though...
Hell if the Germans won the war and the forced labor contributed to the succes of the Germans then you could look back on it and say it was necassary... or you could even say it was necassary for them to stand a better fighting chance in the war...
You take a narrow focus on something and try and pick at it... it may have been necassary at the time... sometimes we are faced with ugly choices and make those choices because they are necassary to acheive a goal or at least have a chance... some make those choices far easier than others...
In any case I don't get why you're making such a fuss over this..
Hell if you want to be outraged by something that actually matters... look at the dismal performance by the US military in preventing sexual assaults... over 26,000 US armed forces personell have anonymously reported sexual assaults and the like and the military really doesn't do anything about it besides try to sweep it under the rug... hell back in, I think it was February an airforce officer was convicted of raping a civilian contractor and then a commanding officer came in and invaldated the conviction and let him on his merry way... It looks like they're finally taking some steps to correct this though...
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People argued that black slaves in the South were key to the economy and they would be unable to take care of themselves when people wanted to stop slavery. They were actually right- many freed slaves were killed by poverty, starvation and disease after the Civil War ended (Granted the war itself probably caused a lot of that too). Would any sane modern person say that it was worth it? Probably.
Context is important. If someone simply said, "Black slaves were unable to take care of themselves because they were too uneducated and shunned to get proper jobs" you might be able to understand what they are saying, but if they aren't a History Professor it'd probably be taken the wrong way. At worst it would seem apologetic.
By that same standard, Hashimoto's statement in this particular case may be accurate (That sexual satisfaction is an important factor for maintaining soldier morale) but by not expanding on his views he can lead people to misunderstand him- though, it's worth noting that this is hardly the first time Hashimoto has said controversial things about comfort women, and he doesn't even have anything backing up his claims other than the..."suspect" Japanese nationalist viewpoints, so he's probably just a douche.
Context is important. If someone simply said, "Black slaves were unable to take care of themselves because they were too uneducated and shunned to get proper jobs" you might be able to understand what they are saying, but if they aren't a History Professor it'd probably be taken the wrong way. At worst it would seem apologetic.
By that same standard, Hashimoto's statement in this particular case may be accurate (That sexual satisfaction is an important factor for maintaining soldier morale) but by not expanding on his views he can lead people to misunderstand him- though, it's worth noting that this is hardly the first time Hashimoto has said controversial things about comfort women, and he doesn't even have anything backing up his claims other than the..."suspect" Japanese nationalist viewpoints, so he's probably just a douche.
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What do you think necessary means?
Is terrorism necessary? Depends on who you ask I suppose... Terrorists can't fight a nation on level ground so they resort to other methods...
Say you are them and you want someone to listen to you... words may not work so how about a bomb? Would that get them to listen to you? Take you a bit more seriously? A necassary act in your eyes to accomplish your goals? Protect something?
Perception plays a big part... and like Nik said... you don't have to condone or agree with something to understand it...
To me, and I may be wrong here, you look at the world only through your own viewpoint or how you think you're supposed to...
Is terrorism necessary? Depends on who you ask I suppose... Terrorists can't fight a nation on level ground so they resort to other methods...
Say you are them and you want someone to listen to you... words may not work so how about a bomb? Would that get them to listen to you? Take you a bit more seriously? A necassary act in your eyes to accomplish your goals? Protect something?
Perception plays a big part... and like Nik said... you don't have to condone or agree with something to understand it...
To me, and I may be wrong here, you look at the world only through your own viewpoint or how you think you're supposed to...
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