I kind of read through a few pages, I have to agree with Kaparu.
Yes, Delve can be something for those of you who are somewhat behind to get caught up on some DD jobs that may or may not have the best gear available, but you shouldn't be coming on your 90 Masamune thinking that's acceptable. Flip to COR, BRD, SCH, WHM, or something and do a few runs for a bit of gear first.
edit: Unless you don't have some sort of support job, but I'm not sure how you can keep progressing in this game if you don't at least have something.
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Odin.Registry said: »
I kind of read through a few pages, I have to agree with Kaparu.
Yes, Delve can be something for those of you who are somewhat behind to get caught up on some DD jobs that may or may not have the best gear available, but you shouldn't be coming on your 90 Masamune thinking that's acceptable. Flip to COR, BRD, SCH, WHM, or something and do a few runs for a bit of gear first.
Yes, Delve can be something for those of you who are somewhat behind to get caught up on some DD jobs that may or may not have the best gear available, but you shouldn't be coming on your 90 Masamune thinking that's acceptable. Flip to COR, BRD, SCH, WHM, or something and do a few runs for a bit of gear first.
So the first successful Delve farming runs consisted of nothing but COR, BRD, SCH, and WHMs? There were no melee DD? So THAT'S the secret no one wanted to tell me. It's all so clear to me now.
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Fenrir.Camiie said: »
Odin.Registry said: »
I kind of read through a few pages, I have to agree with Kaparu.
Yes, Delve can be something for those of you who are somewhat behind to get caught up on some DD jobs that may or may not have the best gear available, but you shouldn't be coming on your 90 Masamune thinking that's acceptable. Flip to COR, BRD, SCH, WHM, or something and do a few runs for a bit of gear first.
Yes, Delve can be something for those of you who are somewhat behind to get caught up on some DD jobs that may or may not have the best gear available, but you shouldn't be coming on your 90 Masamune thinking that's acceptable. Flip to COR, BRD, SCH, WHM, or something and do a few runs for a bit of gear first.
So the first successful Delve farming runs consisted of nothing but COR, BRD, SCH, and WHMs? There were no melee DD? So THAT'S the secret no one wanted to tell me. It's all so clear to me now.
That's already been done now.
Either way, not every group requires delve weps, as said; and you can always make your own group.
If you're going to sit in town and just wait for someone else to do it because you're too lazy to do so yourself, can't really complain when they're picky about what they want.
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Fenrir.Camiie said: »
Odin.Registry said: »
I kind of read through a few pages, I have to agree with Kaparu.
Yes, Delve can be something for those of you who are somewhat behind to get caught up on some DD jobs that may or may not have the best gear available, but you shouldn't be coming on your 90 Masamune thinking that's acceptable. Flip to COR, BRD, SCH, WHM, or something and do a few runs for a bit of gear first.
Yes, Delve can be something for those of you who are somewhat behind to get caught up on some DD jobs that may or may not have the best gear available, but you shouldn't be coming on your 90 Masamune thinking that's acceptable. Flip to COR, BRD, SCH, WHM, or something and do a few runs for a bit of gear first.
So the first successful Delve farming runs consisted of nothing but COR, BRD, SCH, and WHMs? There were no melee DD? So THAT'S the secret no one wanted to tell me. It's all so clear to me now.
If you don't have a Delve weapon yet, either help existing Delve DD only groups with a support job, or make your own group (or find one without gear checks). Not a big problem.
This sounds like the prejedice I get in Nyzul Isle Uncharted (hell in End Game events of all types) for being a thf. "Lolthf, no thx, you're useless for end game", "only top tier jobs with the best weapons sorry, your job is ***". Hear it all the time and I get sick and tired of all the elitist/ignorant *** on this game.
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Siren.Kiyara said: »
This sounds like the prejedice I get in Nyzul Isle Uncharted (hell in End Game events of all types) for being a thf. "Lolthf, no thx, yo're useless for end game", "only top tier jobs with the best weapons sorry, you're job is ***". Hear it all the time and I get sick and tired of all the elitist/ignorant *** on this game.
THF is great for Delve runs.
Gimp THF no, solid THF yes.
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What's funny is that a lot of the group complaining they need delve weps for these groups are the same ones who were shouting R/E/M onry for NNI
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
What's funny is that a lot of the group complaining they need delve weps for these groups are the same ones who were shouting R/E/M onry for NNI
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
From the other side of things, if I see 2 groups shouting at the same time, I'm more likely to join the one requesting delve weps
And if I were to ever form my own fracture alliance, my only requirement would be to have the *** Morimar
/venting
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Bivouacs are dying!!
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Siren.Kiyara said: »
This sounds like the prejedice I get in Nyzul Isle Uncharted (hell in End Game events of all types) for being a thf. "Lolthf, no thx, yo're useless for end game", "only top tier jobs with the best weapons sorry, you're job is ***". Hear it all the time and I get sick and tired of all the elitist/ignorant *** on this game.
As has been stated if someone is forming the group they are free to set the rules, just as you are free to set the rules if you form the group. I have no 99REM or Delve weapons, I have no support type jobs, do I blame other people for not accepting that into groups? No I blame myself for being a lazy *** and not getting brd gear or building my own groups.
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Bivouacs are dying!!
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Let's say someone came along with a nicely augmented Skirmish weapon. Those are the ones designed to allow one to participate effectively at low-level Delve, correct? Good enough or still no go?
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Bivouacs are dying!!
You get dragged in as long as you're in the zone, and the Frontier Station never gets destroyed.
Was specifically mentioned a bivouac, I know the station stays there.
Pretty much everyone in my l/s started off farming 3-4k/delve with pick up groups, but we've put away our 99 ukons/rags/whatever in favor of delve weapons. We're pushing 8k/delve and since we're killing nm's and getting drops it's effectively much higher than that. We're not selective to be ***, we're selective because it works.
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Fenrir.Camiie said: »
Let's say someone came along with a nicely augmented Skirmish weapon. Those are the ones designed to allow one to participate effectively at low-level Delve, correct? Good enough or still no go?
I happen to konw the person who setup this run as well. The logic behind the shout is that A) The pug member is more likely to do better DPS with a Delve weapon and B) They have a resonable amount of experiance with Delve(which is actually Fracture in this case).
Obviously you can farm these zones w/o delve weapons, but having members w/ delve weapons makes the differance between 3-4k runs and solid 5-6k runs.
If you can't get into one of these runs, just make your own. It is very simple setup and you can typically get 18 ppl in a single shout.
Obviously you can farm these zones w/o delve weapons, but having members w/ delve weapons makes the differance between 3-4k runs and solid 5-6k runs.
If you can't get into one of these runs, just make your own. It is very simple setup and you can typically get 18 ppl in a single shout.
Sadly I'm stuck on Nyzul Isle. Even being a 99 thf with 95 Mandau with fully capped skills in every category and fully merited for all jobs, I'm just not cutting the mustard. 4/23 runs on floor 80 is heartbreaking like no tomorrow and I just dealt with an asshat that fits the elitist description as stated earlier (he's one of those : lol Nyzul Isle is too weak, I get floor 100 all the time without effort). People like that need to seriously go *** themselves. I'll admit on Delve that I'm not ready for it at all. Still other things I need to do to get stronger and better myself which I enjoy doing (99 my relic, obtain full thaumus set, get some specific pieces of gear from Neo Limbus and Neo Salvage). After those, then i'll be ready to tackle Skirmish/Wildkeeper Reives and Delve.
Aphotic Kukri can give additional effects I just found out.
I've seen Weakness, Blind, Para, Curse, Poison and Silence so far. Frequent procs too.
Edit: It might be Battlemod is busted and is displaying these instead of TP drain on Twilight Knife. Just got 2x Add Eff KO and it didnt kill the mob (im in dyna xarc btw)
I've seen Weakness, Blind, Para, Curse, Poison and Silence so far. Frequent procs too.
Edit: It might be Battlemod is busted and is displaying these instead of TP drain on Twilight Knife. Just got 2x Add Eff KO and it didnt kill the mob (im in dyna xarc btw)
Siren.Kiyara said: »
Sadly I'm stuck on Nyzul Isle. Even being a 99 thf with 95 Mandau with fully capped skills in every category and fully merited for all jobs, I'm just not cutting the mustard. 4/23 runs on floor 80 is heartbreaking like no tomorrow and I just dealt with an asshat that fits the elitist description as stated earlier (he's one of those : lol Nyzul Isle is too weak, I get floor 100 all the time without effort). People like that need to seriously go *** themselves. I'll admit on Delve that I'm not ready for it at all. Still other things I need to do to get stronger and better myself which I enjoy doing (99 my relic, obtain full thaumus set, get some specific pieces of gear from Neo Limbus and Neo Salvage). After those, then i'll be ready to tackle Skirmish/Wildkeeper Reives and Delve.
You shouldnt be bringing Thf into NNI at all. I love thf, it is my main and I have a 99 Mandua but it is not a DD.
Part of FFXI is being versitile, thats why we can play multiple jobs. If you can't meet the damends of the challenges you are up against and refuse adjust then you should get comforitable sitting on the sidelines.
Part of FFXI is being versitile, thats why we can play multiple jobs. If you can't meet the damends of the challenges you are up against and refuse adjust then you should get comforitable sitting on the sidelines.
Leviathan.Kaparu said: »
You didn't read much, apparently, because the hole in that line of thinking has been pointed out umpteen times now: you're going to get unpleasantly mediocre players on average, yes, but requiring that your unpleasantly mediocre player have a substantially better weapon is going to increase the average quality of your recruits.
Day-later reiteration: these aren't things that I would require, but the logic in the decision to do so is undeniable
Day-later reiteration: these aren't things that I would require, but the logic in the decision to do so is undeniable
I like how I favor one's opinion over yours = I didn't read much apparently. Flawed logic?
Seriously, grow the **** up.
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Siren.Kiyara said: »
Sadly I'm stuck on Nyzul Isle. Even being a 99 thf with 95 Mandau with fully capped skills in every category and fully merited for all jobs, I'm just not cutting the mustard. 4/23 runs on floor 80 is heartbreaking like no tomorrow and I just dealt with an asshat that fits the elitist description as stated earlier (he's one of those : lol Nyzul Isle is too weak, I get floor 100 all the time without effort). People like that need to seriously go *** themselves. I'll admit on Delve that I'm not ready for it at all. Still other things I need to do to get stronger and better myself which I enjoy doing (99 my relic, obtain full thaumus set, get some specific pieces of gear from Neo Limbus and Neo Salvage). After those, then i'll be ready to tackle Skirmish/Wildkeeper Reives and Delve.
It sucks, but you have to consider you and/or whoever you do NNI with may just not be good at the game. I think my group is bringing at least 1 thf if not 2 thieves to delve boss runs for feint so good thf isn't dead, just shitty thieves as Pleebo and Taint have said. And I would never take my thf to nyzul, 99 mandau or any other weapon. It just doesn't keep up.
Shiva.Yetl said: »
You shouldnt be bringing Thf into NNI at all. I love thf, it is my main and I have a 99 Mandua but it is not a DD.
Part of FFXI is being versitile, thats why we can play multiple jobs. If you can't meet the damends of the challenges you are up against and refuse adjust then you should get comforitable sitting on the sidelines.
Part of FFXI is being versitile, thats why we can play multiple jobs. If you can't meet the damends of the challenges you are up against and refuse adjust then you should get comforitable sitting on the sidelines.
Using a Thf in NNI isn't all that bad... But it's not advised for trying to climb floor 100. My group sticks to 80 but 80 has been a 80-90% win rate. We would try 100 but we're not ready for that yet. We're working out our teamwork and trying to beat 80 as fast as possible to test if we can 100.
Anyways I shouldn't derail the thread.
It's times like these where I am so glad I got my Yagrush done.
>>Me Mythic WHM?
Alliance Leader >> Yes, kicking someone now.
WIN!
>>Me Mythic WHM?
Alliance Leader >> Yes, kicking someone now.
WIN!
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Bahamut.Sevvy said: »
It's times like these where I am so glad I got my Yagrush done.
>>Me Mythic WHM?
Alliance Leader >> Yes, kicking someone now.
WIN!
>>Me Mythic WHM?
Alliance Leader >> Yes, kicking someone now.
WIN!
Delve club, do you have it?
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I do believe that it is your battle mod. I also picked up Aphotic and I have yet to see any additional effect trigger.
Still a nice dagger tho. So far from face value it seems the best current combo is 99Mandau main and Aphotic in the off. I have yet to run any testing on this.
Still a nice dagger tho. So far from face value it seems the best current combo is 99Mandau main and Aphotic in the off. I have yet to run any testing on this.
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Bahamut.Sevvy said: »
It's times like these where I am so glad I got my Yagrush done. >>Me Mythic WHM? Alliance Leader >> Yes, kicking someone now. WIN!
Get out of here you, with the spamming of erases/-na spells, Yaggie makes my life easy....and I miss you!
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Thf can put out some decent numbers but your not going to beat a Drk or any 2hander for that matter in a parse(Atleast I would hope not) Bringing 4 2handers, a sch and a support or another sch was your best bet for NNI before the update. I know they have weakend the mobs quite a bit but you should still be killing trash mobs almost instantly. If your not, that is a problem.
Thats the differance between shooting for 80 w/ a 80% success rate and shooting for 100 w/ a 60-80% success rate.
Thats the differance between shooting for 80 w/ a 80% success rate and shooting for 100 w/ a 60-80% success rate.
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