These New-age WHM Make Me /sigh

Actually, /sch gives you a pseudo refresh in the form of sublimation so...

And /blm actually has more mp, it's just /sch gets a host of abilities which let them get more out of their mp as well as a few to get back mp.

And there's only really one avatar buff that whm/smn ever really used and noone does AA anymore, hehe.

If I didn't have a life, I wouldn't be able to type such wonderful things as "/sch onry!" BECAUSE I'D BE DEAD AND 6 FEET UNDERGROUND

Here is a list of things scholar gets over blm:
Sublimation- Your own little refresh, takes 2/hp sec and turns it into mp for a total of 1/4 of your HP. 1000 HP = 250 MP fully charged. Also works as a DoT so if it isn't fully charged it will wake you from sleep. Does not stack with refresh, and not quite as good, but helps your RDM out by allowing him to refresh one less person and focus on other things. And isn't helping people what whm is all about? :3
Light Arts-
10% reduction to the mp cost of a spell that procs 100% of the time, unlike conserve mp, which is totally random, of a white magic spell
10% reduction to casting time of a white magic spell
Enhancing and enfeebling magics are both boosted to like 256 skill from their usual 220-230ish or whatever. I no longer need to carry around a stoneskin set.
The occasional halved mp cost and casting time from your stratagems.
Dark Arts-
Boosts your dark magic skills, so your drain and aspir actually do something
Dispel!

And not to mention making all the /blms and the /smns cry and tell you to get a life because of how cool you are on the internet sporting your awesome subjob.

Wasn't telling you to get a life was telling ppl that hate on a WHM/SMN in general to get a life; Some ppl didn't even bother to get WoTG. Its no lie WHM/SMN gets Auto-Refresh/Added Mana.

Its nice that WHM/SCH gets Dispel <Trully didn't know that, till now.> Just don't like ppl that would judge a player just cause he/she is a WHM/SMN. Seen it once before with WAR/MNKs even up to lv30. In general, happy to see WHM gets more useful abilities. Sad to see ppl are just hating on em, if the don't have SCH.

I apologize to anyone if you think, I'm dissing on ya or whatever.

/sch is better for 99% of those situations though. Honestly, like I said before, a RDM/BLM or SMN could of performed those few situations you're probably talking about too. The SJs are useful to have if you don't have enough people... but not as game changing as /sch.

No one is hating on them, if you don't have /sch, you don't have it. Stop making excuses, and go get it.

I seriously didn't mean to start a giant flame war with my original WHM/SCH comment in the original post. This was supposed to be a sort of anecdotal venting thing. Can we either move on or have the topic closed?

I think I'm the one who provoked it.

Repeatedly.

Its okay, its a easy end ^^;. I might have gotten a bit to ahead of myself with the "get a life" Pun.

I'm sorry, I guess? I just find it funny how so many WHMs and people that probably don't even play WHM can make so much controversy against a better SJ.

Wow, you totally turned that back on me. Great job.

I want you to sub /bst and keep us all healed =P

Thanks. XD I was just going to save for them, but I bought a Roundel instead. Haha. Farming and saving again XD

Whm/sch orny :P

Situation: Dynamis, no refresh, sublimation not up. You have 70 MP. The tank has 200 hp, about to die. Your they only whm, rdm and blms are busy. Penury > DS > Cure V ftw~ /blm or /smn the tank would have died.

Also, I perfer refresh to sublimation. Takes 6 minutes and some odd seconds for it to be ready when I could be getting the same amount of MP over 6 mins with refresh(from a rdm)/Aristo coat. My max sublimation is 258 thou.

To each their own thou~ :)

Ummm before scholar was created there was RDM = Dispel! So other then some of the "finer" details again, /sch maybe the choice for some, imo it's just being a slacker and looking for other ways to have to do less WORK in the game and more time for surfing the web instead of actually DOING YOUR JOB in Dynamis.

A sj that benefits your main makes you a slacker? >.>

Whee, way to completely miss the point of the >_>; face...

Sublimation, Arts, and Stratagems are useful tools, I have to laugh a little at anybody who denys themself an advantage and calls it laziness. Use it when appropriate, go /BLM or /SMN when appropriate, everyone's happy. This discussion should have ended 6 pages ago.

To Bartimaeus: I don't even know what you were/are trying to get at, but whatever.

While it's just a sub job, some jobs can't live without them. Imagine SMN without /whm or /sch, or PLD without /nin. For either of those jobs the results are devastating.

Anyway, I'm actually very different in-game, mostly because I hate most of Pandemonium for some reason.

I'm confused. Please explain. Slacker how?

What, you can't solo as SMN/RDM? I mean /RDM still gives you Sneak/Invis and also gives you that nice little thing called Fast Cast. I know you won't get much MP, but Fast Cast can save a person depending on the camp (like imps).

What about the old fashioned PLD/WAR? I mean come on now, I'm sure that Defender and Provoke haven't gone away from the PLD's macroset yet.

No -nas or Curagas. Since SMN is used as a pseudo WHM for pretty much all of its lvling career, they'll have no way to level. Not to mention you get Cures later. Could level through Campaign, but who has WotG now, apparently?

/war isn't that good against a lot of higher endgame stuff, particularly wyrms and HNMs. People would likely go back to using NINs if PLD couldn't /nin, sadly.

But don't worry, I'm sure Bart would come in and tell them they suck at their main jobs. Good tanks don't need SJs.

I totally just took a double take right there at the avatars thinking it was someone else until I realized it was Bart.

I've seen some PLDs /drk before it was strange to me...

As I was reading what was good for whms to stack, I actually usually go Mnd and Haste+, as an elvaan I guess I should be more focused on MP but everything is situational, Blessed Mitts and Pants are a blessing, and if you don't use them you are funny. =)

/DRK has better hate tools than /WAR at 75. For fights where you blood tank from a distance like ACP11 and that ToAU fight with Alexander it's great.

Slacker in the fact or maybe I should say the OPINION that, it makes the job "easier". I say that cause it seems through out this whole debate about /sch that if you don't have it your an idiot. Your an idiot because you lose out on things that NEVER exsisted unless you had someone as part of the team helping you . Example, no refresh unless you had a rdm in your pt. Now with sch or even /sch you have "better refresh rate or use sublimation." Or dispel which rdm had before sch even was added to the game.

Look I'm just going to say this. There were alot of things, 7 pages worth, were people touted how you either /sch or you were a gimp whm. Just don't agree with it which is why I said it was MY opinion. But telling people they can't do their job or they are "gimping" themselves because they don't use what YOU want them to use is crap that's all.

It was the same way when I started and didn't know any better that you "HAD" to sub mnk with war. Well honestly, I don't like mnk I think it's crappy job but that's just me. I finally found something I really like and never wanted to have as a job so to each his own. Just don't push your beliefs or opinons on others because you feel a certain way. Everyone plays how they play. As I said before, as long as someone does their job and isn't a total moron about it, what they sub is up to them. I've had PTs with sch and been like wow cool job and had whm as well and still thank the gods they're there when I've been an idiot and done something stupid.

To those of you that have /sch, awesome and congrats. To the old schoolers who aren't using /sch not because they are to lazy to do so as Andross said, good for you.



It's not about being lazy for them. I have seen people who have posted here who actually have sch leveled, they just prefer NOT to use it.

Less work because it casts faster and conserves better MP? I was being facetious when I said the dispel remark because someone asked about spells WHM/SCH gets that /BLM doesn't.

So why don't you calm down, read the context, and tell me how I slack off by being more efficient, which lets me cast more spells.

Edit: And trust me, I know about the whole RDM=Dispel. I was a RDM long before I was a WHM.

Always have Martyr! Has it's uses once in a blue moon, hehe.

Well, one thing to keep in mind for sublimation, you don't have to wait for it to be fully charged to use it. Yes you do lose about 30 seconds worth of charging but the option is there.

I would actually say sublimation is better suited to dynamis than refresh because of the existence of mp statues. You will generally have a lot of mp to burn because you get it refilled so often, but sometimes you're just tapped at and you need that mp NOW and that's when sublimation shines.

Oh I do use it, but I'm normally in tank pt with a rdm refreshing me anyways. Martyr XD Ya, I don't have that merited, but I suppose once in a blue moon is would be handy. XD