These New-age WHM Make Me /sigh

Well... It's pretty much impossible to do 650 with a C5 unless you're a taru and not using a light staff. >.> An Elvaan whm/smn completely naked, for example, C5's for 641.

it doesnt help that the best exp camp AU colibri and maybe even after is a lvl 37-42 camp =/ and that so many people are now astral burning... so yeah skilling up is a must but at the same time healing magic and enhancing magic seem to skill really slow :x

With or without merits?

Those figures I posted earlier and the hp cured by a naked Elvaan whm/smn are w/o merits of any kind. But, they also 'assume' you have the max 276 skill. Which... Isn't hard to do tbh after you hit 75.

Yeah, TBH I don't blame Level Sync for the lack of skill in some people, I blame AU camps...no thought required at all, peeps can just do whatever.

A skilled whm will do their job better as /sch than they will with /blm.[/quote]

That is compeltely a matter of opinion. It depends on the situation, and what you're doing.

The only situation where a whm should take /blm over /sch is if they're tele-taxi'ing or need elemental seal and/or sleepga.

lol I was slightly going above and beyond on the figure, but point still stands. I'm thrilled you have tons of mp but when you're curing for jack crap you're a waste of my time. I love my whm. I have 5 75's and whm will forever be my main. So for someone else to show up whm and 1/2 *** my job pisses me off, cause you're not even helping you're wasting my time, my shell's time and I just get far to bitchy about it.

maybe they dont have time to lvl sch... i honestly dont think anyone should be telling anyone how to play thier job unless they start payin thier account.. i know sch is an amazing sub.. but sayin anyone that doesnt lvl /sch doesnt give a damn about whm is just wrong.. its thier personal choice and they shouldnt be crucified for it cause someone thinks they know better

I whm/smn. But... I also retired it long before Sch was even released. XD

I got my AF1+1 hat/gloves and was done. lol

Agreed. I have /sch and it's pretty pointless expecially in like Dynamis where I'm curing 20 people, cause let me tell you.. sublimation isn't going to do anything. I need refresh. lol. I normally /smn don't have to worry about stoneskin up so i can rest or anything. I do very well @ my job.

"I don't have the time to level /sch" is a good excuse for not having /sch.
"/blm is just as good!" is not. :|

e: and you can say "It's their money, they pay for their account, let them play how they want", but it's also my money for my account, and me paying to do nyzul runs with whm/blms who slow the group down by having to stop and rest mp constantly.

Nobles Tunic, Blessed gear all your spells and know how to play your job. I.E. Don't freak out for no reason, keep tanks buffed and near full hp, keep everyone else at near full hp, learn what enemy tp moves give what status debuffs, stay with your group if you're doing Nyzul Isle, and your eyes never leave the bottom and right side of the screen when you're doing something big. Also get /sch and learn how long it takes for Sublimation to fully charge

I don't have /sch on my 75 whm, I guess I suck.

Me either Guess we both suck D:

/cry *Holds Nightraid*

/shock

you don't know me like that

:x

Not at all *lol* Just some people can't take their heads out of their ***, and realize whm was done for years without /sch and still can be done just as well without it. Wont disagree sometimes it makes it nicer/easier.. but as I already said.. It's situational to begin with. Anyone wanting to argue that point should do more with their whm. *shrugs*

Be glad I'm a chick! :P

Was goofing anyways lol

I do fine with /blm, some need to learn what to cast to conserve mp.

Goofy :O

but yeah i have MP merited max so i really dont have to worry much about it and as long as i have a refesher i can sustain my mp for hours without ever going below 100.

In most TP burn parties you can /heal whilst they kill stuff since they probably wont need healing much anyway, besides Haste.

I probably speak for all the pre-CoP WHM when I say this ...

We need a test for these new-age WHM ... I say:

Let them bring a party like this: DRK/SAM, DRK/SAM, SAM/WAR, WAR/SAM, BRD, WHM -- to the Kindred merit camp near Jormungand. Keep them alive for the entire party; never have to wait on your MP to recover and get at least 20k/hr (I know thats nothing but its a start for most WHM today).

I wish I could delevel some of todays WHM to 1 today when I see them piss n' whine at a bird camp of all places about MP being low when their entire party is /NIN. Or they "don't have a RDM and BRD support". Lots of us did the old demon camps before merits and the post-COP gear came out and did just fine. Now these kids whine about simple stuff like the cost of echo drops and keeping haste on people. I can heal just fine on WHM/SCH without getting ballad from the BRD at bird camps ... WHM has some of the best hMP gear and traits in the game as well as the best curing gear and abilities ... so hate it when people think a RDM can heal better. It's these candy-*** WHM's of today who make the good ones look bad -_-

Got a screenshot somewhere of someone begging for help on Nyzle Isle 96-100 for a RDM. I offered to help on WHM just to get points towards my mythic item and they said a WHM couldn't do it. Just out of spite -- I formed a farming run, we cleared 3 runs 96-100 without a single death and guess who was still looking for a RDM only to help them~ With Esuna, whm is insane at stuff like Cerb or Flayers now. We can remove the DoT's from everyone in a second ... and with great barspell and MDB gear, Gate of Hades doesn't even break stoneskin on me in nyzle isle ...

Not having /sch in no way means a whm sucks. If they played whm before sch came out with skill then they'll keep playing it that way. I will admit though /sch enhances the job IMO.

Ever since getting it I refuse to use anything else. As far as my oppinion goes I believe light arts + penury works just awesome. Sublimation also a perk...I get 278mp back with a full and I find those 3 things totally worth it. I've solo healed events that I've seen others struggle through and fell in love with it because of that reason.

Everyone has they're own playing style and if they can play without /sch and do it well, I say go for it.

And as far as the whms who can't heal at bird camp I admit I lol'd. I did that before i finished rdm lots of times with absolutely no problems /sch and I'm Elvaan with lol gear at that time.

COMPLETELY AGREE 100% It's all about the situation and when to use what. Saying something is elite like /sch ONRY is completely bs.

This.

I dont have sch leveled, yet. I plan on doing it, but im in no hurry. Ive always /blm and if anything, im lazy so warp ftw.
I agree whms who are good with /blm should be better with /sch, but by no means is it a necessity, imo.
A good whm really comes down to a few key elements...

MP management - knowing when to rest and when to not

Attention Span - Dont space out when your tank loses shadows

Non-retardation - pretty self explanatory

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Zhead? -.-

There are probably a lot of WHMs out there that are great despite having no /SCH sub, but if you're REALLY hardcore about a job, then why not have all the tools available to you to enhance yourself? It IS really close minded to say that to be GOOD you need /SCH, because there are ppl that will suck no matter WHAT, but yah... there are situations when all subs can be utilized.

So why not just /sch anyways and not use Sublimation so you can get refreshed. You'd still have Light Arts to save mp on cures and the occasional Penury. Probably would save more mp with light arts and penury than the extra mp /smn would give.

/sch onry ヽ(｀д´)ノ

it doesn't i tried it. /smn does just as well. I have no issues with running out of mp like ever.. so /sch can be useful if in a stressful situation but /smn works just as well. Thats my opinion. It's all a matter of opinion. I love my whm. I use /blm /sch and /smn depending on where i'm going. Never have an issue.