Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

Wow you salty as *** bro. Kira was an relative of a linkshell member calm those ***. Wonder how many other times you cried your heart out about me while I rarely check these forums. Good ***man.

That made the gear incredibly boring after awhile, too, from tier to tier. Earlier on in the game, they'd put interesting procs and the like on gear, but they stopped that as they worked out the "formula" that has become pretty much the core of the game at this point.

I really, really hope the devs aren't looking to move FFXI toward a more WoW-like model.

They have to do it in incremental steps if they want to get there though. It's not like WoW moved to their current model overnight, either. It took two full expansions before it really emerged in anything resembling its current form, and still changed further over the next two.

I don't see the big deal? When people first got Ukon is ***on, and still shits on Bravura. People felt cheated that relics are far more difficult to get then an empyrean, yet the empyrean were better. Along came ToM for relics and the masses were put at ease.

This is the same scenario again. Both my mythics are ehh atm, but that is clearly going to be fixed. Let up on the Q's!

In part it's a matter of when, but also the worry that they're going to keep doing this every few updates, since they've said they want to move to a more incremental gear model, with gear having different tiers. If they regular invalidate a previous tiers weapons, they're going to have to update REM weapons constantly to keep them up to par, and they will basically never be worth the effort because of all the time that they're "dead" weapons.

It also has a weird effect of completely trivializing anything you do have to go back for, moreso than say, Dynamis is trivial now. The damage on those weapons is so much higher than anything we've ever seen before that there will literally be no point to anything except burning to 99, buying one of these new insane weapons, and diving into the latest content. It becomes a situation where only the latest content matters, because it's completely out of proportion with everything else.

s/e der dont toss anything

ever

If those new weapons are relatively easy to get, There will be an overflow of gil in the game. They might as well change the lotting system of VW.

Bronze model weapons ? they didn't even bother

Maybe because some people spent 6-12 months maybe longer in some cases just to make a R/M/E only for them to get shat on by new content in which half the weapons do just under x2 the DMG with some effects being quite insane...

GG SE...

As someone who spent six months getting an empy, I don't give a toss. I'm looking forward to new weapons.

As someone who took 6 months to get an Empy you probably don't have any new weapons to look forward to bro

The butt hurt that matters isn't that people are mad their relics are useless, it's that 90% of the content in the game has been made irrelevant.

DEV doesn't understand the problem because they see it as "they can do X event do do Y event and then finally do Z event"

Except what FFXI players mostly want is X Y and Z events to be on equal footing so that we can pick and choose which event we do at any given time

Agreed, she just doesn't get it.

That does not work from a consumerism standpoint. iPhone 3 is still just as good but yet we have iPhone 4 and 4s and now 5. They want ppl to do the z event and to buy the expac. Not like it's the first time they did this. We used to camp kings then, then we went all crazy salvaging, the abyssea, then VW, and the list will go on...

Yet, we are completely subjected to their rules. Most of us spent countless number of 3 hrs staring at the waterfall in DA, years of nightly salvage to get a complete set, well you get the idea. R/E/M is not that different except we hold high regard to them...just because we think they are the ultimate weapons?

Sounds like se is giving hand outs to all the players that suck so they can compare to us elitist that took the time to build our empryeans and relics
And the level 85 and below dont count much 90s and up success

But while moving to new stuff there was always reasons to still do the old stuff, some AF3 from abyssea, various drops from VW, Upgraded relic from Dynamis, Sky and HNM item augments. It is probably the most note worthy thing about FFXI in comparison to other MMOs. FFXI is old enough that they will not be attracting many new players so their focus should be on keeping current players and bringing back older players. This latest move alienates 1 of those groups since being about to do a wide variety of content is likely what has kept us around.

Are you stoned or something - why are you comparing phones to events in a game

Events in a game are totally like a cell phone you know because doing Salvage on Thursday prevents me from doing Adoulin events on Friday

Can we start submitting nominations for worst post of 2013 yet because there are some real winners in the past few days

Lol

I think the only problem i see is emps being neglected, if you have 99 RM your weapon will have the opertunity to be upgraded and probably wow you when it comes, as for 85-90 emps there just toys that are outdated now due to how easy/fast they are to make but how costly they are to upgrade past 90, they are by far the easyest weapons to make and are pretty powerfull for a 85 version. so unless Emp is the only weapon you have or you intend to 99 it you may be better off trying these new weapons as Emps wont be getting attention any time soon!

Zing! Oh wait, you're serious?

Yeah see this is the thing

Gear resets work in WoW because they hand you a baseline set for the new expansion through solo questing that is basically impossible to fail at

It works a lot like perle/teal/aurore/traditional, but the first (and overall strongest/highest level) thing they give you is a weapon

For the record, even if they adjust REM99s to be equal in footing to whatever new content they're putting out, they'll still be stuck with the problem that they just obsoleted almost all their previous content, because nobody is going to spend 3-6 months grinding a REM to 99 and then doing whatever new system they're doing instead of just plucking a weapon off the AH for a few million gil.

A few million casuals won't be making because plates/bills/alexandrites will never sell.

Basically they will have restored the game to the state where people have to farm beehive chips and slime oil until they save up enough for a weapon in a few months. I hope people enjoy that.

Wait, Haks got nerfed?

touche, yeah i dont know why i forgot about that

they're banning for fishing again, friend got a 72h within 10 minutes of the update while at computer watching.. no gm contact

ThisThis is true but legendary weapons always beat AH verson weapons so they have to have a good plan for REM, they cant let AH weapons beat them by this far.

You mean botting, please be specific as some of us actually fish.

This whole situation is making it even more clear how the 15 upgrades limit in the Merit WS category is wrong.

Very few player can afford to bring Empyreals to level 99, let alone people who can do that for multiple ones.
By rendering lv 85/90 empyreals useless (something that I concur with, from a different point of view) they're basically forcing people to rely on Merit WS, yet they "force" you to either gimp them by not going 5/5, or to get max 3 of them.

If anything, this is even more of an issue than it was before.
Hope they will give up being so adamant on not increasing the 15 upgrades limit and give us a bit more of freedom (25? at least 20 please?)


Concerning the upgrades to R/E/M I'm still a bit confused.
If it weren't for Matsui's post I would be pretty calm and relaxed, but when he wrote "we plan on enhancing them, but we won't bump up their base damage" leaves me very confused.
How could they possibly make so R/E/M are still worth to have if they don't bump up their damage?
Yow can you compensate for almost 100 points of base damage difference with just "special bonuses"?
I cannot imagine what they plan to do, but if anything I'm worried it's gonna be crap.

I still think they made several abyssea-like mistakes with these first 2 SoA patches. You'd be leaning to think that after complely destroying game balance by releasing abyssea (as much as I loved it, it's undeniable this is what Abyssea did) and after spending the last 2 years trying to fix these errors, trying to make old content still relevant and trying to bring people outside of Abyssea without making Abyssea completely useless at the same time...
... after all of this you'd be leaning to think they "learned" that lesson and would have never done the same mistakes again.

Yet here we are, and this all smells like Visions and Scars of Abyssea release, if anything it's much worse than that.
I'm really confused.
On one hand Matsui sorta gained my faith and respect with his struggle to fix things over the lasty year, on the other hand he releases this...
Makes me wonder:

How much of the "good things" that happened over the last year have been decided by Matsui, and how much of them were already being planned by Tanaka (or someone else) and Matsui just "finished the job" of something started by someone else?
I really really am wondering this right now.