Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

Still haven't figured out why people would complain if SE wanted to buff all of the R/M/E weapons via some method of reasonably pro-rated effect. Thus far, everyone has talked about how they think 85-95 R/M/E shouldn't get any buff, but if you consider the time required for level 90 Empyrean or a level 95 Relic when weighed against the time it takes to get a base delve weapon (a day or two tops), I can understand why people might be frustrated that in two days anyone can easily have a weapon that outshines a weapon that took significantly longer to acquire.

Personally, I feel like anyone with a R/M/E of at least 90 should still be above the baseline Delve weapons (not getting owned by them on every parse); however, once upgraded fully, I see no problem with the Delve weapons being stronger than R/M/E < 99. 99 R/M/E, given the time and effort taken to acquire, should still be the best weapons period. It's absurd to have people dedicate months or years of time to farming and acquiring these "Legendary" weapons only to have them absolutely raped by NQ content that pretty much any player can complete.

Leeching a boss kill and farming plasm @ 2k a run for a week will still give you a weapon that is competitive and/or depending on your gear utterly destroys a 99 relic that took months to make, which is completely unreasonable.

I personally do not have a 99 R/E/M as I'm mostly a casual player with a full time job and a family. Thus far, I already have the Delve GK upgraded a few stages and the new H2H weapon both of which replaced my Empyrean H2H(90)/GK(85). Have yet to replace my 95 Apoc with the new scythe as I like Catastrophe too much to give it up (and Apoc is still a quality utility weapon for many events.)

I have great respect for anyone dedicated enough to take any of these weapons to 99 as I've been unable to do so myself, and I feel like parsing 10% over a 99 R/M/E after investing a few hours for 2-3 days to get plasm and a base delve weapon is absurd.

They just need to announce something and an estimated time frame.

I have a few 100k Plasma just rotting. Is it worth dumping into Boreavor or another weapon or should I continue to save it???

1 boss has been killed (bee)by an extremely high end LS. Just getting a beads for a boss run if a mind numbing experience for 18+ players.

I attempted the boss Shark the other night and we got face planted at 95%. Every player had extremely good gear we even had 12 songs on the alliance. (yes 3 99harp/99horn BRDs swapping)

The Shark is a long way out from being killed and Trex (who gets the most attempts) still hasn't been downed.

Poor wording on my part, apologies. I meant to say leeching a TI-T5 Delve NM kill. I just saw where that LS killed bee, and wow, I'd like to see their strategy/party setups for that.

I think only the empy user are complaining, because of the 1500 plates *** blocking everyone while you can solo a relic to 95 in 2 months of time. mythic is still manageable if you have a few friend spaming nni or salvage stuff. 85 need to stfu and upgrade to 90 before crying.

I think empy users will have a right to complain when/if VW dies. It's doubtful they'll make HMP easier to obtain.

Boss kill would cost more than a mythic for now lol and if people don't even have spot for thf, they surely don't have spot for leech at the moment.

vw already died in asura. I see same shout for hours and stuck on like 8~10/18. only akvan and kaggen are able to get a full in hours of shout. ig/rex/bis/morta are pretty much dead atm.

something something they are almost all 6 mannable if you have friends/mules

i don't know why i bother mentioning it, people still cry about their groups not hitting 18

procs

blm/rdm whm/sch brd/nin cor/war ddx2

will cap lights off one blitz

is it really so hard to believe you don't need 18, i've been 8boxing this ***for nearly a year and my lights are perfectly fine

blm just needs fast cast gear and an attention span

At least on Sylph, Voidwatch appears to be pretty dead. And I corrected my post on Boss Clear to T1-T5 clears. I absolutely agree that Empy's < 90 do not merit complaints, but would like to point out that the "only 2 months to do a relic to 95" comment really reiterates the point that getting Uguisumaru in two days and demolishing a relic that took "only two months" to make is unreasonable.

Congratulations, you beat the game!

Ok, there seems to be a trend here:

I point out voidwatch can be done with six people.

Someone cries about lights or otherwise claims it's impossible.

I point out that I do it personally, regularly, using my own characters.

People sidetrack about how many characters I use, as if it has any relevance.

Go ahead, cry about VW all you want. I'm just trying to inform you that you don't need a million bodies to get it done. It has literally zero relevance whether I'm using my mules or real players.

You don't seem to understand. It's not that it's not possible...It's not practical.

Have you ever been to a VW and received no HMP?

Have you ever been pouchless for 6 straight Qilin runs?

Still HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. I've 6-10 manned just about all of them, but the fights drag out too long for the reward. VW is brain damage, its slightly tolerable with 18 killing mobs in 3 minutes. Low manning them with 8-10min fights and still not getting drops is annoying as ***.

SE needs to kill VW and let it rott in hell.

my average fight time is below 2 min on fodder ones, the dross/cinder can drag out to like 6 but it's really not anywhere near as bad as you're painting it out to be

make another plate source or increase rate, sure, but the ***'s still very doable if people would leave town and try instead of shouting for 18

farming your own plates is very impractical, i'm not saying otherwise, but if the shout groups that i keep seeing went out and killed their NM at 10 instead of ragequitting that they can't get 18 the supply would be looking a lot healthier atm

They could make single metal plates appear in other loot slots for all VWNMs and that solves the majority of the problem.


No time frame, but we're still short 4 nakuaals and if it follows the same trend, 4 delve zones too.

Agreed. VW sucks, thereby Empys not already 99 are dead in the water unless you REALLY want to spend several months low-manning VW for a sub-par weapon. I'd also be very interested in seeing someone 8-box lowman the Cinders/Dross stages without displacers.

I agree VW can be done with much less, especially with new gear and overpowered weapons; and as long as you cover most procs you really don't need them all.

But I'm sorry multi-boxing is not how the game is supposed to be played, neither is using a windower with various bot programs... plus I'm sure most people don't want to pay nearly a $100 per month.

+= "to play a 12 year old game."

Maybe an easier solution would be the take out proccing entirely.

But I really don't see SE putting the effort to correct this anytime soon. They're working on new content and correcting(poor word choice i know) this whole mess they started in the first place.

Whilst it's true about QQilin, you really can't trust that on rift mobs. All the latest niggalimas I've done weren't even killable with 18 without displacers. When the people you get are few to start with, and they're bad too, it's really not realistic to hope to kill Morta/Rex/Nig/Biz without a nearly maxed group. Sure if I could pick whoever I want from the server we could roll with 8, but that's not how it goes at this point in time anymore.

this +1
Im sure 8 boxing a relic will get you to 99 in two weeks. your point is?

come on seha you were supposed to help out with this :(


also if their response about alexandrite sets any kind of precedent i find it unlikely they'll bother touching how many plates you'll need

I would've assumed most people have a few friends that'd be willing to do stuff like that. I've ended up with a full alliance plenty of times just asking my ls if anyone wanted to tag along for X VW or w.e. Regardless of the number of mules I have, I don't think I'd still play if I didn't have friends to play with.

If you're going purely shout, I can agree with what you said.

(not directed at seha) Really, why the *** is everyone so offended by what I spend my money on? I use my mules, I have fun with them, and I was not bringing them up for any reason other than to illustrate a point.

Because they have no other means to invaliding what you're saying.

Lashing out on the basis of irrelevant details is easier than thinking.

Yeah, but is Voidwatch II is coming down the pike to add more plates into the system? That's how they addressed Alexandrite, adding NNI and Salvage II.

Because honestly, unless a theoretical Voidwatch II gives plasm instead of cruor, or you can suddenly buy plasm/bayld/anything relevant with cruor, it's not going to matter much, even if it shows up.

Can care less about what you spend your money on.

I just thought your example was ummmm....yeah. I'd be very interested to see you 8box any VW, cap lights, and win in a reasonable amount of time.

Think I'd be more impressed by anyone who can play that many accounts at once decently.

Also, I'd argue that farming the 30k alexandrite isn't the most time consuming part of a mythic.