Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

Except delve weapons still kinda ARE the best* even after update considering the minimal amount of effort/time/money it takes to make one.

*when compared to an unfinished r/m/e.

Not everyone has been playing for the game's entire run. Some of us came back recently, started weapons, and then Adoulin was released.

1. What about people who have only been playing a year and a half, started working on plates, VW wins etc. not long ago?

2. I think this is someone who's only been seeing DMG as no.1 factor of R/E/M

They are the best for now, till the nakuuls die which will be soon if not already.

If you quit the game and just came back, how is that being serious about making one?

It took me 10 months to make my mythic, when everyone said it was impossible to do so.

No plates avail? Shout for plate farming run, and you will buy them 150-200k. Don't have money to buy plates? Hate to break it to you then, you wouldn't have 99'd it in the first place if so. Don't think it's worth the cost? Then you aren't serious about making it either.

Holy hell are you obnoxious.

It's not a weapon it's an instrument but yes I 100% agree it's the best tool to have in game without a doubt.

yep *** block every content from the game until only a few epeen can achieve it. best way to make a game enjoyable and fun.

What's really obnoxious is people not doing the same things at the same time as everyone else. Disgusting and sad, too.

It's not about being serious, it's about making it actually possible.

Mythic was never impossible, it just took a hell hole of time. But the outcome was extraordinary.

Majority of people want to sell those but you will still hardly get people. Paying Double/triple the amount of price for metals is just completely stupid. Qilin is a Heavy Metal shout but you can still say good luck getting people. No, making friends still won't make them come.

To be honest, once they buff Empyreans, I can see Voidwatch coming back just for the income of people selling plates riftcinder/dross. >_>

Im sorry but that will not happen when the king of farming gil is inside delve with a gauranteed amount each run. I dont see wasting hrs gathering and can result in 0 to 2 on 6 fiight will attract anyone.

I'm sorry guy but its not really getting through to me, I'l give yoou an example of what I meant by DMG isn't everything Amanomurakumo (99)- DMG 132 (Yeh damn nice before Delve) Accuracy 40 (Hell yes, especially for Delve NM, farming, w/e) Aftermath: Weakens enemy Def (small occasional bonus) Hidden effect: Occasionaly does double damage (Nice boosts to overall performance)

And what if i just started playing a year and a half ago? 10 months to make a mythic? Thats about how long it took me to start VW (I took my time A LOT when I first started, no book parties or w/e because I wasn't sure about many things)

Finally, what if i was never buying plates in the first place? I've farmed all 420 plates so far. I'm sorry, it just seems like your saying what its been for you applies to everyone else. By no means am I doing that, I'm just saying my scenario's not the same as yours. All honesty, I'm not bothered if the buff pre-99s, it would be nice for me yeh but I'l still try get my 99 because I like it's uniqueness.

Lol so 15-20k for alex wasn't dbl/triple the cost that they were long ago either?

like I said, it is possible! Did they suddenly turn off VW? Nope, nothing got changed, you can still go and do it.

You're just giving up and complaining now. People will come if they know ahead of time someone will pay them right away then and there. Like I said, if you feel it's really worth it to 99 it still, then you gotta work hard and pay the cost.

And how is you being able to get a super weapon with minimal effort not enjoyable and fun for you? You get your delve weapons, then will you whine too when you can't kill a delve boss to get a better one too? I hope killing a delve boss is a requirement to upgrade REMs, I really do.

You can't expect to get everything you want, not even a in a make believe fantasy game.

I'm fine with the amount of items required, not fine with the drop rates in a point in time where interest has become low.

More people will be doing vw to get their emphys to 99. Not to make gil. I know tons of people that have 6-7 emphys because they can't build a relic. So all these people will be spamming to get their emphys to 99. Delve is only a good money maker if you spend all your plasm on lixirs. Those prices will sky rocket the more people keep doing it. A stack of +1's on my server have already dropped 2.2mil.

I don't know of anyone who has never bought plates an gotten 1500 of them. Why not try selling the 420 you have for a high price? Unless you got extremely mega lucky with pouch drops it would take you years to get 1500 without buying. You could argue you could just spam VW more, but then you'd have to buy stones.

But what I posted still stands, it's not impossible to still finish a 99 empy.

You use the word "work" in every of your posts. well you know what, welcome back to the reality, you know? Where ppl have families, jobs & bills to pay & who can not spend 3h of their time daily/every evening to /sh in order to gather a group for WV.

This is the problem of this game, everything has to be like a work, but Hey coco, we're in 2013 now, the people who started playing at 16-18 are now 26-28, somes of them are engaged/married & have kids.
Remember its supposed to be a game, while I do agree with you on some points, you're clearly wrong on some other.

Keep one thing in mind, there are two kind of ppl on this game, the ppl who are online 24/7 and who can do everything they want and on the other side ppl who want to play to relax after a long day at work, and thoses ppl have a right to complain because yeah they cannot progress as much as ppl spending their whole time on that game.

Yes it did change, people hardly do it anymore. Everyone is in Delve because better gear, cash and temporary best weapons. You can shout Qilin but your tells will be very short in number. Will take several hours just to make an alliance. Majority of players don't have time for that.

there was a guy on our server that finished a 95 empyrean off of solely pouches he got trying for a coruscanti (granted he did like 40+ Qilins a night for a month or two).

And I find very little reason to worry too much about plate prices. if empyreans become good again, people will go zerg VWNMs for plates for money.

Guaranteed farming gil in Delve how? Airlixirs? That you have to lot over other people for? You're potentially taking the same chance doing Voidwatch, and last I checked, plates and riftcinders/dross were worth more than Airlixirs/+1.

Qilins actually take time to assemble, even.

Most others aren't even worth join. I've seen one Kaggen shout since V/U, Pil 0, and Akvan maybe twice, same guy.

And the shouts just shout and shout.

The idea, of course, is that it happens that way because everybody thinks it will happen that way, but one person changing their mind doesn't help much. I sat in a gaunab a few hours one day before I left.

I realize some servers are much more active, I'm jelly.

You have no right complain if you only play a few hours a week, and you can't get the ultimate weapons. The new expansion should be a godsend for casuals like you who play for fun a few hours a week. Freaking easy to get delve weapons, and nice bayld gear and delve armor, that you can farm on your own at your own pace.

If demand for plates goes up people will do Qilin

The general rule is no one is farming something you want to buy - push up the price and people will farm it for you

So, what was the emergency?

gonna laugh when it was the matamata NM

@Ragnarok.Zohnax You use your plasm to buy +1 Airlixir's ranges from like 350-500k on some servers, in a typical run you can get 3 per.

The whole thing I've always liked about Trial weapons is that its actually a Trial you are going through to get these weapons, it's like any kind of test or training IRL. See, I really like Delve and all this new Adoulin stuff to be totally honest, its all great but instead of having to go for the Great Katana (SAM main) I would rather get the weapons for my other jobs I really like (WAR, DRK, NIN, THF, MNK etc. etc.) Imo anyway once these buffs take place R/E/M may still be on top in most cases, Highly buffed R/E/M using aftermath looks as if it would pull ahead, where as Delve weapons would be much better without (we'l just have to see). Idk for sure, but my main point is I would much rather go through a series of tests and some time for a great weapon than spend a couple days or so to get the "best weapon", might sound weird on text but the fact is I've met great friends and people through these times. (again not complaining, I like the whole thing anyway, just saying what I would prefer)

You don't go for the alixir drops, you buy them with the plasma you get farming. 1 5k plasma run means you get to sell 2 +1 alixirs. Any drops you get is just bonus.

Spend a few hours, sell some alixir, use that money to shout and buy plates. Offer enough and people will do it. Need to farm salvage but can't get people to come dc or warp for you? Easy just shout you are paying, and tells galore. Money is the motivator. People aren't gonna VW when plates are selling for 75k each. Offer to buy for 200k each, heck I would go.

That guy who claims spamed 40 qilin a day for 2 months, well he must have bought a shiton of stones perday, so he is in a sense still buying it, indirectly or not.

You see, another problem of this game is that alot of ppl are like you "You shouldn't complain if you only play a few hours a week" I mean what the hell is this stupid mentality? what next? "You cannot play at all cause you will only play a few hours a week." ?

You know casual ppl rarely get invited to anything because most of the time its "R/E/M/D Weapon DD only" in the shouts.

I am not complaining myself, I found my way to progress throu the game while I can avoid the elitist scrubs, I also just don't give a flying *** about one having a better armor then I do lol.

But seriously, would everyone have a relic today if Dynamis was the same as before? take that into consideration its all down to you farming your currency for 3-4 months, does it make you better then anyone to have a relic now? nope.

Somes ppl have better priorities now, life priorities.

Ill spoon fed the information to since it is so hard to that forgot thing inside the head. 5k plasm a run that is 10 airlixir * 60k, there 600k richer every 45 minutes. If your one of those fortunate one that can play 24/7 or least 10 runs a day, in two weks you will farm enough for a relic