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Matsui: "Don't throw away your R/M/E weapons yet"
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By Cerberus.Zyph 2013-04-29 18:29:06
Quetzalcoatl.Aryiah said: »people are so afraid of being sub-par even for a month or two. its ridiculous, enjoy not being OP as *** for a little bit, enjoy the challenge of new gear, i'm sad my twash is gonna suck but i'll just use a new dagger till i can upgrade it.
As tempting as it is to make a snide joke about how this stuff is probably well beyond your reach so don't worry about it, I sincerely hope you CAN get the new weapons, because if you can't it seems pretty unlikely you'll be able to do anything meaningful going forward.
Yeah those meaningless plebeians with their 99 Empys mirite?
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By Bismarck.Punchus 2013-04-29 18:31:41
Give an inexperienced player an amazing weapon and he'll do good. Give an experienced player a good weapon and he'll do great. Weapons might be the difference between a 10k and 20k weaponskill but only in the hands of a person that can stay alive long enough to use it.
By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-04-29 18:33:17
Quetzalcoatl.Aryiah said: »people are so afraid of being sub-par even for a month or two. its ridiculous, enjoy not being OP as *** for a little bit, enjoy the challenge of new gear, i'm sad my twash is gonna suck but i'll just use a new dagger till i can upgrade it.
As tempting as it is to make a snide joke about how this stuff is probably well beyond your reach so don't worry about it, I sincerely hope you CAN get the new weapons, because if you can't it seems pretty unlikely you'll be able to do anything meaningful going forward.
Yeah those meaningless plebeians with their 99 Empys mirite?
Yeah, a semi-literate player with two 99s (DNC and WHM) with one SJ a piece and everything else at level 1/locked is totally likely to have a 99 Twashtar.
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By Bismarck.Punchus 2013-04-29 18:36:04
Quetzalcoatl.Aryiah said: »people are so afraid of being sub-par even for a month or two. its ridiculous, enjoy not being OP as *** for a little bit, enjoy the challenge of new gear, i'm sad my twash is gonna suck but i'll just use a new dagger till i can upgrade it.
As tempting as it is to make a snide joke about how this stuff is probably well beyond your reach so don't worry about it, I sincerely hope you CAN get the new weapons, because if you can't it seems pretty unlikely you'll be able to do anything meaningful going forward.
Yeah those meaningless plebeians with their 99 Empys mirite?
Yeah, a semi-literate player with two 99s (DNC and WHM) with one SJ a piece and everything else at level 1/locked is totally likely to have a 99 Twashtar.
I would honestly find this more believable than if they had all jobs unlocked. With only 2 jobs to choose from (one being mage) it seems pretty easy to decide what to build and more easy to focus on just that.
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By Cerberus.Zyph 2013-04-29 18:36:40
Quetzalcoatl.Aryiah said: »people are so afraid of being sub-par even for a month or two. its ridiculous, enjoy not being OP as *** for a little bit, enjoy the challenge of new gear, i'm sad my twash is gonna suck but i'll just use a new dagger till i can upgrade it.
As tempting as it is to make a snide joke about how this stuff is probably well beyond your reach so don't worry about it, I sincerely hope you CAN get the new weapons, because if you can't it seems pretty unlikely you'll be able to do anything meaningful going forward.
Yeah those meaningless plebeians with their 99 Empys mirite?
Yeah, a semi-literate player with two 99s (DNC and WHM) with one SJ a piece and everything else at level 1/locked is totally likely to have a 99 Twashtar.
Oh, I thought were were using "you" in the broad sense in the last part of your sentence.
Nevermind.
By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-04-29 18:41:07
Quetzalcoatl.Aryiah said: »people are so afraid of being sub-par even for a month or two. its ridiculous, enjoy not being OP as *** for a little bit, enjoy the challenge of new gear, i'm sad my twash is gonna suck but i'll just use a new dagger till i can upgrade it.
As tempting as it is to make a snide joke about how this stuff is probably well beyond your reach so don't worry about it, I sincerely hope you CAN get the new weapons, because if you can't it seems pretty unlikely you'll be able to do anything meaningful going forward.
Yeah those meaningless plebeians with their 99 Empys mirite?
Yeah, a semi-literate player with two 99s (DNC and WHM) with one SJ a piece and everything else at level 1/locked is totally likely to have a 99 Twashtar.
I would honestly find this more believable than if they had all jobs unlocked. With only 2 jobs to choose from (one being mage) it seems pretty easy to decide what to build and more easy to focus on just that.
rofl
Here, I'll make this easier for you:
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-04-29 18:42:47
it's funny because the people who are mad are the ones taking this ***seriously
your weapons will get buffed, relax
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By Sylph.Mirvana 2013-04-29 19:09:48
When 95% of the game's content seems like it just became pointless to bother with, yeah, I'll take this ***with more than a "meh I'll wait and see" attitude.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2013-04-29 19:14:08
The funny part of the game begins : hitting roots and nests...already annoying.
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By Fenrir.Elliott 2013-04-29 19:19:30
When 95% of the game's content seems like it just became pointless to bother with, yeah, I'll take this ***with more than a "meh I'll wait and see" attitude.
This is my problem exactly. What is left to do if almost all older content is being eliminated? I can only hit so many roots and rocks, plus I still like doing the older content (Dynamis, Salvage, Abyssea etc.) but just because I still enjoy it doesn't mean I don't need some sort of motivation to do it. I don't think sub-par weapons and highly situational gear will be enough. I think I just liked the game the way it was. I was looking forward to new content with rewards and upgrades like anybody else, but not so much the total system overhaul...
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By Sylph.Mirvana 2013-04-29 19:28:14
Seriously. Looking at the .dats, this went beyond "overboard" and is heading towards "capsizing" at this rate.
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By Bismarck.Punchus 2013-04-29 19:31:18
When 95% of the game's content seems like it just became pointless to bother with, yeah, I'll take this ***with more than a "meh I'll wait and see" attitude.
This is my problem exactly. What is left to do if almost all older content is being eliminated? I can only hit so many roots and rocks, plus I still like doing the older content (Dynamis, Salvage, Abyssea etc.) but just because I still enjoy it doesn't mean I don't need some sort of motivation to do it. I don't think sub-par weapons and highly situational gear will be enough. I think I just liked the game the way it was. I was looking forward to new content with rewards and upgrades like anybody else, but not so much the total system overhaul...
Can people not read? Can you not read the original post in the topic you are writing this crap in?? Can you not see the title of the topic? What do you not comprehend about the whole point of the OP? The part where he says "we will be implementing a system to build on R/M/E weapons"? What is so damn confusing about that? Sure your weapon isn't the best at the moment. Sure there is something amazingly better right now. What are you going to complain about when what they do implement requires you to do something like dip your weapon in the piss from a 2 ton dino and wash it with holy water and you'll have a devilish divine affinity with the lords of destruction? Will you be happy that the currently old content is no longer pointless to do or will you *** that your soon to be over powered weapon isn't handed to you with out any effort? Grow up and learn to have one of the key attributes of life.... Patience.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-04-29 19:32:41
You're really missing the point.
This doesn't really have anything to do with how weak R/M/Es are currently compared to the new weapons, though the gap itself illustrates the larger problem pretty well.
What if I don't like Delve?
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By Bismarck.Punchus 2013-04-29 19:36:35
I see the point clearly. The point is why do dynamis if the relic can't compare to something you can get off the AH. When this thinking is just silly when OP clearly stated r/m/e will get boosts. And if this isn't the point that is trying to be made then do a better job of making it cause this is what people are getting from it.
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By Asura.Chrik 2013-04-29 19:39:12
OP clearly stated r/m/e will get boosts. And my concern is, when? Knowing SE, several months away since its not even in testing yet.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-04-29 19:39:19
I see the point clearly. The point is why do dynamis if the relic can't compare to something you can get off the AH. When this thinking is just silly when OP clearly stated r/m/e will get boosts. And if this isn't the point that is trying to be made then do a better job of making it cause this is what people are getting from it.
So I can either do Delve or spend 150+ million on getting an RME to 99, and then whatever other *** they have in mind, just to play a job?
Because that is absolutely what is at stake here. The gap between these weapons and literally everything available pre-SoA is only slightly less than a 99 RME and a LEVEL ONE WEAPON.
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By Sylph.Mirvana 2013-04-29 19:40:00
I miss Tanaka
It's not that "things aren't being given on a silver platter"; It's that SE just tucked the tablecloth into its belt and tried to get up from the table, ruining everyone's meal.
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By Bismarck.Punchus 2013-04-29 19:41:00
When Abyssea came out sure some people were upset that the once coveted gear wasn't top notch anymore but it didn't stop them from getting the better stuff. If SE doesn't give you something to work for then why are you wasting your time. If you don't like Delve then don't do it. Just don't complain that you can't solo an NM cause you don't have the gear to do it. And when I use the word 'YOU' I am talking in a general way and not about any specific individual.
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By Fenrir.Elliott 2013-04-29 19:42:41
When 95% of the game's content seems like it just became pointless to bother with, yeah, I'll take this ***with more than a "meh I'll wait and see" attitude.
This is my problem exactly. What is left to do if almost all older content is being eliminated? I can only hit so many roots and rocks, plus I still like doing the older content (Dynamis, Salvage, Abyssea etc.) but just because I still enjoy it doesn't mean I don't need some sort of motivation to do it. I don't think sub-par weapons and highly situational gear will be enough. I think I just liked the game the way it was. I was looking forward to new content with rewards and upgrades like anybody else, but not so much the total system overhaul...
Can people not read? Can you not read the original post in the topic you are writing this crap in?? Can you not see the title of the topic? What do you not comprehend about the whole point of the OP? The part where he says "we will be implementing a system to build on R/M/E weapons"? What is so damn confusing about that? Sure your weapon isn't the best at the moment. Sure there is something amazingly better right now. What are you going to complain about when what they do implement requires you to do something like dip your weapon in the piss from a 2 ton dino and wash it with holy water and you'll have a devilish divine affinity with the lords of destruction? Will you be happy that the currently old content is no longer pointless to do or will you *** that your soon to be over powered weapon isn't handed to you with out any effort? Grow up and learn to have one of the key attributes of life.... Patience.
It's not about having the best current weapon or whether the weapon is still worth making or not. The point it is that in the game's current state, irregardless of future promises, the motivation to make such weapons is dying or dead for some people. I don't think it's me who didn't read. I'm not /ragequitting or anything, but most content does indeed feel pointless, whether it is or not, but that isn't really anything new. Also, anyone still playing FFXI after all this time has patience.
By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-04-29 19:43:58
When Abyssea came out sure some people were upset that the once coveted gear wasn't top notch anymore but it didn't stop them from getting the better stuff. If SE doesn't give you something to work for then why are you wasting your time. If you don't like Delve then don't do it. Just don't complain that you can't solo an NM cause you don't have the gear to do it. And when I use the word 'YOU' I am talking in a general way and not about any specific individual.
You cannot possibly be this obtuse.
Any content made going forward will either be beyond trivial to a few people with these weapons or completely impossible for anyone with anything less. To even imply this is anywhere close to the gear bump post-Abyssea is completely insane.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2013-04-29 19:45:50
When Abyssea came out sure some people were upset that the once coveted gear wasn't top notch anymore but it didn't stop them from getting the better stuff. If SE doesn't give you something to work for then why are you wasting your time. If you don't like Delve then don't do it. Just don't complain that you can't solo an NM cause you don't have the gear to do it. And when I use the word 'YOU' I am talking in a general way and not about any specific individual.
That's the thing though, because outside of the most "pinnacle gear or gtfo" people, we have 99 Ukons playing alongside 85 Ukons playing alongisde WoE weapons playing alongside Laceratrice. Laceratrice -> Ukon is significant, but many people are ok with that (depending on content or whatever.) Ukon -> Razorfury is quite a bit different, let alone Laceratrice -> Razorfury.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-29 19:47:23
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By Valefor.Omnys 2013-04-29 19:47:57
As someone pointed out on official forums, betwixt all the "I kwit" posts, pets are really gonna feel this.
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By Bismarck.Punchus 2013-04-29 19:49:47
When Abyssea came out sure some people were upset that the once coveted gear wasn't top notch anymore but it didn't stop them from getting the better stuff. If SE doesn't give you something to work for then why are you wasting your time. If you don't like Delve then don't do it. Just don't complain that you can't solo an NM cause you don't have the gear to do it. And when I use the word 'YOU' I am talking in a general way and not about any specific individual.
You cannot possibly be this obtuse.
Any content made going forward will either be beyond trivial to a few people with these weapons or completely impossible for anyone with anything less.
What exactly is your gripe? What is it that upsets you the most out of this update? If you have an r/m/e then you should be able to look at new weapons and see what possibility there is for your weapon. If you don't have an r/m/e then you can look at the new weapons and see the possibility to do better than what you currently are. Both Scenario's are WIN.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-04-29 19:50:29
People are upset that the old content will all be pointless if the new content has better gear. Sure it might be fun, but if you have no chance of getting gear that improves you or your friend's chars then it becomes boring much quicker. By introducing a new event that drops gear for every slot superior to the old gear, they've basically obsoleted thousands of hours of playable content. This means they've forced themselves into a content race: they need to create new ***faster than the current endgame players defeat it. With their 4 man development team, this won't happen.
The intelligent people aren't upset about their weapons becoming comparatively less awesome, they're upset that SE just made a move with a high potential to outright kill the game.
(There are crybabies who are upset their shitty 85 emps became even shittier 85 emps in comparison, but nobody cares about them.)
By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-04-29 19:50:35
When Abyssea came out sure some people were upset that the once coveted gear wasn't top notch anymore but it didn't stop them from getting the better stuff. If SE doesn't give you something to work for then why are you wasting your time. If you don't like Delve then don't do it. Just don't complain that you can't solo an NM cause you don't have the gear to do it. And when I use the word 'YOU' I am talking in a general way and not about any specific individual.
You cannot possibly be this obtuse.
Any content made going forward will either be beyond trivial to a few people with these weapons or completely impossible for anyone with anything less.
What exactly is your gripe? What is it that upsets you the most out of this update? If you have an r/m/e then you should be able to look at new weapons and see what possibility there is for your weapon. If you don't have an r/m/e then you can look at the new weapons and see the possibility to do better than what you currently are. Both Scenario's are WIN.
Because this doesn't actually constitute a reward. This is the gear equivalent of a limit break quest. I have to go out and get one of these weapons for every melee job I play or I simply cannot play them.
Four months from now I will most likely have to do it over again.
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By Asura.Chrik 2013-04-29 19:52:48
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »People are upset that the old content will all be pointless if the new content has better gear. Sure it might be fun, but if you have no chance of getting gear that improves you or your friend's chars then it becomes boring much quicker. By introducing a new event that drops gear for every slot superior to the old gear, they've basically obsoleted thousands of hours of playable content. This means they've forced themselves into a content race: they need to create new ***faster than the current endgame players defeat it. With their 4 man development team, this won't happen.
The intelligent people aren't upset about their weapons becoming comparatively less awesome, they're upset that SE just made a move with a high potential to outright kill the game.
(There are crybabies who are upset their shitty 85 emps became even shittier 85 emps in comparison, but nobody cares about them.)
I see what you did thar ;D
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By Bahamut.Kiralai 2013-04-29 19:53:55
When Abyssea came out sure some people were upset that the once coveted gear wasn't top notch anymore but it didn't stop them from getting the better stuff. If SE doesn't give you something to work for then why are you wasting your time. If you don't like Delve then don't do it. Just don't complain that you can't solo an NM cause you don't have the gear to do it. And when I use the word 'YOU' I am talking in a general way and not about any specific individual.
You cannot possibly be this obtuse.
Any content made going forward will either be beyond trivial to a few people with these weapons or completely impossible for anyone with anything less. To even imply this is anywhere close to the gear bump post-Abyssea is completely insane.
A lot of those weapons seem like they'll be AH-able/crafted. So you won't have to do Delve or build a R/M/E, no. They're surely going to be ridiculously overpriced to begin with, but I hardly doubt its going to stay that way. They look ridiculous to our eyes now, but if that kind of DMG is intended to be the new standard, you can expect that it'll eventually be on the AH, and be cheap enough that people can afford it to get into the content. It just won't happen right away.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2013-04-29 19:53:59
I see the point clearly. The point is why do dynamis if the relic can't compare to something you can get off the AH. When this thinking is just silly when OP clearly stated r/m/e will get boosts. And if this isn't the point that is trying to be made then do a better job of making it cause this is what people are getting from it.
So I can either do Delve or spend 150+ million on getting an RME to 99, and then whatever other *** they have in mind, just to play a job?
Because that is absolutely what is at stake here. The gap between these weapons and literally everything available pre-SoA is only slightly less than a 99 RME and a LEVEL ONE WEAPON.
It depends on the weapon you want and if you want HQ or not.
You'll probably spend more than 150 million on HQ GS or scythe.
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By Bahamut.Kiralai 2013-04-29 19:56:54
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »People are upset that the old content will all be pointless if the new content has better gear. Sure it might be fun, but if you have no chance of getting gear that improves you or your friend's chars then it becomes boring much quicker. By introducing a new event that drops gear for every slot superior to the old gear, they've basically obsoleted thousands of hours of playable content. This means they've forced themselves into a content race: they need to create new ***faster than the current endgame players defeat it. With their 4 man development team, this won't happen.
The intelligent people aren't upset about their weapons becoming comparatively less awesome, they're upset that SE just made a move with a high potential to outright kill the game.
(There are crybabies who are upset their shitty 85 emps became even shittier 85 emps in comparison, but nobody cares about them.)
Nope.
04-26-2013 12:52 PM | Akihiko Matsui | Dev Team | |
| | I'd like to deeply apologize for mentioning "Don’t throw away your relic, mythic, and empyrean weapons" during an interview. Relic, mythic, and empyrean (below R/M/E weapons) take a great deal of time and difficulty to obtain, and this expression was extremely lacking in consideration for all of the players who tried so hard to complete them.
What I wished to convey was that we will be implementing a system to build on R/M/E weapons, so please have them in your possession, and there was no other meaning intended.
In regards to this system, the outline has been finished; however, we have yet to test if what we have planned can be realized and if we can secure the proper amount of manpower to continue it. We are at a point in time right now where it's difficult to explain the details, so please allow us to discuss this another day.
For the Adoulin end-game content aimed at the top players, where they can obtain high level equipment as well, we will gradually make adjustments to difficulty so that once new end-game content is released you'll be able to obtain these items if you put in a bit of effort.
Also, we will similarly be adjusting content in existing areas, though it may take some time and be a limited time event. | |
05-09-2013 10:15 AM | Slycer | BG Translator | |
| | Matsui: Follow up on Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and Coin Weapons
Hello, it's Matsui. Thank you for all of your opinions about Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and Coin weapons (hereafter, RMEC). They were very helpful.
After reading all of the varied opinions, we have decided that rather than unlocking the weapon skills specific to each weapon, a reworking of RME weapons would be more effective (for coin weapons, more information will be provided later, but we plan to allow these to unlock the dedicated weapon skills).
I have written and reorganized this in various ways and it has become quite lengthy with examples. After you have gotten a chance to look over it, please let us know if you have any further opinions.
Content Level
We received many questions about the parameters of Adoulin equipment. Because this is an important part in order to be able to understand the reworking of RME so you can provide your opinion, please allow me to repeat the explanation for content level and growth in Seekers of Adoulin.
In Adoulin, the basic design is a repeated play cycle where players become stronger and stronger as they align themselves with equipment obtained from challenging content which, in turn, allows them to take on even more challenging content.
By aligning themselves with this equipment, players will continue to grow even without leveling up.
The content level of Adoulin content is set as follows:
[[Info below is much better formatted in a table on the original post.]]
20: Delve (Boss Monsters) (Current)
17: Wildskeeper Reive (New Additions) (Next Version Update)
14: Delve NMs (Tier 2) (Current)
13: Skirmish (New Additions) (Next Version Update)
11: Delve NMs (Tier 1) (Current)
6-9: Colonization / Lair Reives (New Additions) (Next Version Update)
7: Wildskeeper Reive (Current)
6: Skirmish (Current)
1-5: Colonization/Lair Reives (Current)
The strength of the equipment that can be obtained, rather than the level of the equipment, will be dependent on the content level. The equipment to be added later in Adoulin will of course be equippable at level 99, but the level of the equipment parameters would be even higher to match the content level (for example, similar to what level 110 or 120 equipment might look like).
While the strength of the monsters which appear is determined to match the content level, in order to fill out the hierarchy between content to some extent, we have designed monsters of variable strength. The parameters of the equipment that can be obtained in Adoulin is set by determining the parameters that would be necessary to compete with those monsters.
The level of current and planned content is set to minimize the gaps between content level, but we may also insert additional intermediate content if the jump between levels remains too high.
In some cases, content variations will cause content to cover multiple levels. We also plan to enhance the amount of content available horizontally at individual levels, rather than just vertically over the content level range.
The content in the next version update will be added with this in mind.
Referencing the "next version update" items above, it will be possible to add new colonization and lair reive equipment purchasable for Bayld in the level 6~9 range (which currently includes Skirmish and Wildskeeper Reives). In addition, we will be inserting new content at levels 13 and 17.
Also, one part of smoothing out the content level will be adjusted in a maintenance to be carried out of the end of this week: we will be adding a fixed probability to obtain the items needed to enter Skirmishes (Simulacrum Segments) from Lair and Colonization Reives. (This adjustment is unrelated to the current rules associated with coalition assignments, gathering, and Soul Pyres.)
By making this adjustment, the assumed progression will be:
1. First, take on lair and colonization reives.
2. As a result of those battles, obtain Simulacrum Segments.
3. Combine the segments in order to enter Skirmishes.
Reworking RMEC
Please excuse my lengthy explanation above. I'll now return to the topic at hand.
First off, since it is necessary for the development staff to further consider the implementation, we cannot guarantee the timeframe as far as whether it will be included in the next version update.
Regarding the types of parameters that would be reworked, special abilities such as Aftermath and Afterglow will remain, while parameters such as the DMG rating, attack, and accuracy will be set to match the content level post-rework.
Since the parameters will be reworked to become aligned with high content difficulty, we do not intend to rework it in small intervals such as with the previous method of Trial of the Magians.
Prior to now, RME were considered the strongest weapons, so I think there will need to be some change to this viewpoint. For those who have RME, you may not require the other weapons, but there now be a choice among other comparable weapons.
If you are worried about how these weapons will be able to be used, for example, against Delve boss monsters, here are some parameters which we are looking at for the reworking. This is just for RME one-handed swords as an example:
Excalibur
DMG:73 Delay:233 Attack+40
"Knights of Round"
Additional effect: Damage varies with HP
to
DMG:121 Delay:233 Attack+60 Accuracy+20
"Knights of Round"
Additional effect: Damage varies with HP
Burtgang
DMG:73 Delay:264 Enmity+18
Physical damage taken-18% Reduces Enmity decrease when taking damage
"Atonement"
Aftermath: Increases Acc./Atk./Occ. attacks twice or thrice
to
DMG:131 Delay:264 Attack+20 Accuracy+20 Enmity+18
Physical damage taken-18% Reduces Enmity decrease when taking damage
"Atonement"
Aftermath: Increases Acc./Atk./Occ. attacks twice or thrice
Almace
DMG:70 Delay:224 DEX+20
"Chant du Cygne"
Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage
to
DMG:114 Delay:224 Attack+20 Accuracy+20 DEX+20
"Chant du Cygne"
Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage
Since coin weapons were originally just intended to be used for Empyrean weapon skills, based on the concept, I believe that instead of reworking them, they can be used to open the dedicated weapon skills (with certain level and job restrictions). We are currently considering the adjustment procedures necessary for this..
In conclusion
I've gone on for a while, so considering the reworking for level 99 Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean weapons as well as the unlocking of dedicated weapon skills via Coin weapons, please let us know your opinions. We will read through your thoughts one by one to make sure we understand your point of view.
Note that this is a large departure from the original plan. Considering the feasibility of scheduling this change, the development may take some time.
I apologize for keeping you waiting on my response.
Thanks in advance!
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05-09-2013 2:19 PM | Akihiko Matsui | Dev Team | |
| | Follow-up: Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and Walk of Echoes Weapons
Matsui here.
Thank you all so much for the feedback on relic, mythic, empyrean, and Walk of Echoes weapons. It has helped out tremendously.
After reading over all of your feedback, instead of continuing the growth of these weapons by unlocking the weapon skills that are tied to each of the weapons, I feel it would be better to perform a revamp on RME weapons. (Regarding Walk of Echoes weapons, I will talk about this below, but they will be involved with unlocking the specialized weapon skills.)
I've been reworking a lot, and writing it all up, but it seems the post turned out rather lengthy, so once you have been able to read through it all and digest it we'd love to hear your feedback.
Content Level
We've received a lot of questions about the stats on Adoulin equipment, and I'd like to once again explain about growth and content levels in Seekers of Adoulin as this is a critical aspect in order to receive feedback on the revamps for RME weapons.
The content in Adoulin has been designed with a repeating play-cycle where you challenge content that you are able to at that moment in time, gather equipment, become stronger, and then take on higher tier content which will allow you to gather even stronger equipment.
It's through the procurement of equipment that will allow players to grow and level up.
We've established content levels for Adoulin content as a means to objectively display difficulty benchmarks. The below is a concrete illustration of these content levels.
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Delve (Boss monsters) |
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New Additions to Wildskeeper Reives |
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Delve (NM group 2) |
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New additions to Skirmish |
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Delve (NM group 1) |
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New additions to Colonization/Lair Reives |
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Skirmish |
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Colonization/Lair Reives |
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Content Level |
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Up to April 2013 |
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Next version update (currently adjusting) |
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Equipment strength is dependent on the level of the content you need to challenge in order to obtain the equipment, not the level in which it can be equipped. With the gear that is released in Adoulin from here on out, they can be equipped at level 99; however, instead of considering these to be level 99 pieces of equipment, it would be better for you to think of their level in terms of the content level (for example, level 110 or level 120).
The strength of the monsters that will be introduced are matched to that of the content level, but since there is somewhat of a solidified hierarchy between content, it's been setup so that the strength can be felt with even one level difference in content level. Oppositely, the parameters on Adoulin equipment have been calculated and set in order to deal with these monsters.
Fundamentally we will be making it so that the content level for content to come in the future continues to become higher, but there may be cases where we fill in areas where there is a large jump in content level as needed.
Also, in order to make it so there are various types of content sprawled across a single content level, we are supplementing it with content variations. We've also designed plans to enable resting periods where we will expand laterally instead of vertically, because players may get burnt out going full steam ahead.
In the next version update we will be adding content focusing on filling in the gaps as well as supplementing with content variation.
In the above chart, please look at the “Next version update (currently adjusting)” column. For content levels 6-9 (Skirmish/Wildskeeper Reives), we will be adding equipment appropriate for these content levels that can be exchanged for Bayld along with new Colonization and Lair Reives. Additionally, we will be filling in content for levels 13 and 17.
For those players who are already able to take on Skirmish, Wildskeeper Reives, and Delve at this point in time, it will not be absolutely necessary to challenge this content, but we will be making the above adjustments in case you want to increase your success rate, or are feeling that the current situation is still a bit tough.
Also, as a plan to resolve the issue where Skirmish is not really connecting the content as was planned, we will be undergoing maintenance at the end of this week and making it so statue segments can be obtained from Colonization and Lair Reives at a set rate. (These adjustments are separate from the rules associated with obtaining these items via Coalition Assignments, HELM, and Soul Pyres.)
By performing these adjustments we envision the below flow:
Challenge Colonization and Lair Reives
Obtain statue segments by participating in these reives
Challenge Skirmish with the parts you have obtained
Weapon Revamps
Sorry, I got off track for a bit, but now I'd like to return to the topic at hand.
To start off, I still need to discuss the implementation period with the rest of the development team, so it will be a bit difficult to address this immediately in the next version update, and we cannot make any promises as to when this will take place.
In regards to the kind of stats that will be added when we revamp these weapons, fundamentally the afterglow and aftermath effects as well as the other special stats will carry over and we'll be setting damage values, attack, and accuracy stats to coincide with the content level.
While the stats will be quite strong, we do not plan on making it possible to continuously enhance them in short intervals like the original method of enhancing via Trial of the Magians.
However, RME weapons have been considered the ultimate weapons up until this point in time, but I feel that this needs to change a bit.
I would like to make a shift so that instead of having it so that other weapons aren't necessary if you have RME weapons, you have a choice. If you are happy with RME, then you can use RME, and for those who want other weapons you can use other weapons.
With that said, there may be players who are worried if these weapons will eventually become unusable, but to give an example we had the lead make some calculations for the stats needed to combat the Delve boss monsters, and the below is what the RME swords would look like:
Excalibur
DMG: 73 Delay: 233 Attack+40 "Knights of Round" Additional effect: Damage varies with HP |
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DMG: 121 Delay: 233 Attack+60 Accuracy+20 "Knights of Round" Additional effect: Damage varies with HP |
Burtgang
DMG: 73 Delay: 264 Enmity+18 Physical damage taken -18% Reduces Enmity decrease when taking damage. "Atonement" Aftermath: Increases Acc./Atk./Occ. Attacks twice or thrice |
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DMG: 131 Delay: 264 Attack+20 Accuracy+20 Enmity+18 Physical damage taken -18% Reduces Enmity decrease when taking damage. "Atonement" Aftermath: Increases Acc./Atk./Occ. Attacks twice or thrice |
Almace
DMG: 70 Delay: 224 DEX+20 "Chant du Cygne" Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage |
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DMG: 114 Delay: 224 Attack+20 Accuracy+20 DEX+20 "Chant du Cygne" Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage |
In regards to Walk of Echoes weapons, these were implemented with the concept of allowing players to use the specialized empyrean weapon skills, so instead of revamping them we felt it more appropriate to have them serve to unlock the weapons skills (planning to have restrictions based on jobs and level). Also, we are looking into adjustments for the method to create Walk of Echoes weapons.
In conclusion…
Apologies that this post is so long, but based on all of the above we would love to hear your feedback on the revamps to level 99 RME weapons and unlocking weapon skills with Walk of Echoes weapons.
I will be sure to read over each and every comment you all post.
My thoughts and ideas have completely turned around the plans that were originally drawn up, and I had to sit and really discuss the idea with the rest of the development team, including the possibilities of making this happen.
I apologize that this response was late and that I made you all wait.
Thank you all very much. | |
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