Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

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By Cerberus.Zyph 2013-04-29 18:29:06  
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people are so afraid of being sub-par even for a month or two. its ridiculous, enjoy not being OP as *** for a little bit, enjoy the challenge of new gear, i'm sad my twash is gonna suck but i'll just use a new dagger till i can upgrade it.

As tempting as it is to make a snide joke about how this stuff is probably well beyond your reach so don't worry about it, I sincerely hope you CAN get the new weapons, because if you can't it seems pretty unlikely you'll be able to do anything meaningful going forward.

Yeah those meaningless plebeians with their 99 Empys mirite?
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By Bismarck.Punchus 2013-04-29 18:31:41  
Give an inexperienced player an amazing weapon and he'll do good. Give an experienced player a good weapon and he'll do great. Weapons might be the difference between a 10k and 20k weaponskill but only in the hands of a person that can stay alive long enough to use it.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-04-29 18:33:17  
Cerberus.Zyph said: »
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Aryiah said: »
people are so afraid of being sub-par even for a month or two. its ridiculous, enjoy not being OP as *** for a little bit, enjoy the challenge of new gear, i'm sad my twash is gonna suck but i'll just use a new dagger till i can upgrade it.

As tempting as it is to make a snide joke about how this stuff is probably well beyond your reach so don't worry about it, I sincerely hope you CAN get the new weapons, because if you can't it seems pretty unlikely you'll be able to do anything meaningful going forward.

Yeah those meaningless plebeians with their 99 Empys mirite?

Yeah, a semi-literate player with two 99s (DNC and WHM) with one SJ a piece and everything else at level 1/locked is totally likely to have a 99 Twashtar.
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By Bismarck.Punchus 2013-04-29 18:36:04  
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Cerberus.Zyph said: »
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Aryiah said: »
people are so afraid of being sub-par even for a month or two. its ridiculous, enjoy not being OP as *** for a little bit, enjoy the challenge of new gear, i'm sad my twash is gonna suck but i'll just use a new dagger till i can upgrade it.

As tempting as it is to make a snide joke about how this stuff is probably well beyond your reach so don't worry about it, I sincerely hope you CAN get the new weapons, because if you can't it seems pretty unlikely you'll be able to do anything meaningful going forward.

Yeah those meaningless plebeians with their 99 Empys mirite?

Yeah, a semi-literate player with two 99s (DNC and WHM) with one SJ a piece and everything else at level 1/locked is totally likely to have a 99 Twashtar.

I would honestly find this more believable than if they had all jobs unlocked. With only 2 jobs to choose from (one being mage) it seems pretty easy to decide what to build and more easy to focus on just that.
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By Cerberus.Zyph 2013-04-29 18:36:40  
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Cerberus.Zyph said: »
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Aryiah said: »
people are so afraid of being sub-par even for a month or two. its ridiculous, enjoy not being OP as *** for a little bit, enjoy the challenge of new gear, i'm sad my twash is gonna suck but i'll just use a new dagger till i can upgrade it.

As tempting as it is to make a snide joke about how this stuff is probably well beyond your reach so don't worry about it, I sincerely hope you CAN get the new weapons, because if you can't it seems pretty unlikely you'll be able to do anything meaningful going forward.

Yeah those meaningless plebeians with their 99 Empys mirite?

Yeah, a semi-literate player with two 99s (DNC and WHM) with one SJ a piece and everything else at level 1/locked is totally likely to have a 99 Twashtar.

Oh, I thought were were using "you" in the broad sense in the last part of your sentence.

Nevermind.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-04-29 18:41:07  
Bismarck.Punchus said: »
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Cerberus.Zyph said: »
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Aryiah said: »
people are so afraid of being sub-par even for a month or two. its ridiculous, enjoy not being OP as *** for a little bit, enjoy the challenge of new gear, i'm sad my twash is gonna suck but i'll just use a new dagger till i can upgrade it.

As tempting as it is to make a snide joke about how this stuff is probably well beyond your reach so don't worry about it, I sincerely hope you CAN get the new weapons, because if you can't it seems pretty unlikely you'll be able to do anything meaningful going forward.

Yeah those meaningless plebeians with their 99 Empys mirite?

Yeah, a semi-literate player with two 99s (DNC and WHM) with one SJ a piece and everything else at level 1/locked is totally likely to have a 99 Twashtar.

I would honestly find this more believable than if they had all jobs unlocked. With only 2 jobs to choose from (one being mage) it seems pretty easy to decide what to build and more easy to focus on just that.

rofl

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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-04-29 18:42:47  
it's funny because the people who are mad are the ones taking this ***seriously

your weapons will get buffed, relax
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By Sylph.Mirvana 2013-04-29 19:09:48  
When 95% of the game's content seems like it just became pointless to bother with, yeah, I'll take this ***with more than a "meh I'll wait and see" attitude.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2013-04-29 19:14:08  
The funny part of the game begins : hitting roots and nests...already annoying.
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By Fenrir.Elliott 2013-04-29 19:19:30  
Sylph.Mirvana said: »
When 95% of the game's content seems like it just became pointless to bother with, yeah, I'll take this ***with more than a "meh I'll wait and see" attitude.

This is my problem exactly. What is left to do if almost all older content is being eliminated? I can only hit so many roots and rocks, plus I still like doing the older content (Dynamis, Salvage, Abyssea etc.) but just because I still enjoy it doesn't mean I don't need some sort of motivation to do it. I don't think sub-par weapons and highly situational gear will be enough. I think I just liked the game the way it was. I was looking forward to new content with rewards and upgrades like anybody else, but not so much the total system overhaul...
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By Sylph.Mirvana 2013-04-29 19:28:14  
Seriously. Looking at the .dats, this went beyond "overboard" and is heading towards "capsizing" at this rate.
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By Bismarck.Punchus 2013-04-29 19:31:18  
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Sylph.Mirvana said: »
When 95% of the game's content seems like it just became pointless to bother with, yeah, I'll take this ***with more than a "meh I'll wait and see" attitude.

This is my problem exactly. What is left to do if almost all older content is being eliminated? I can only hit so many roots and rocks, plus I still like doing the older content (Dynamis, Salvage, Abyssea etc.) but just because I still enjoy it doesn't mean I don't need some sort of motivation to do it. I don't think sub-par weapons and highly situational gear will be enough. I think I just liked the game the way it was. I was looking forward to new content with rewards and upgrades like anybody else, but not so much the total system overhaul...

Can people not read? Can you not read the original post in the topic you are writing this crap in?? Can you not see the title of the topic? What do you not comprehend about the whole point of the OP? The part where he says "we will be implementing a system to build on R/M/E weapons"? What is so damn confusing about that? Sure your weapon isn't the best at the moment. Sure there is something amazingly better right now. What are you going to complain about when what they do implement requires you to do something like dip your weapon in the piss from a 2 ton dino and wash it with holy water and you'll have a devilish divine affinity with the lords of destruction? Will you be happy that the currently old content is no longer pointless to do or will you *** that your soon to be over powered weapon isn't handed to you with out any effort? Grow up and learn to have one of the key attributes of life.... Patience.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-04-29 19:32:41  
You're really missing the point.

This doesn't really have anything to do with how weak R/M/Es are currently compared to the new weapons, though the gap itself illustrates the larger problem pretty well.

What if I don't like Delve?
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By Bismarck.Punchus 2013-04-29 19:36:35  
I see the point clearly. The point is why do dynamis if the relic can't compare to something you can get off the AH. When this thinking is just silly when OP clearly stated r/m/e will get boosts. And if this isn't the point that is trying to be made then do a better job of making it cause this is what people are getting from it.
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By Asura.Chrik 2013-04-29 19:39:12  
Bismarck.Punchus said: »
OP clearly stated r/m/e will get boosts.
And my concern is, when? Knowing SE, several months away since its not even in testing yet.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-04-29 19:39:19  
Bismarck.Punchus said: »
I see the point clearly. The point is why do dynamis if the relic can't compare to something you can get off the AH. When this thinking is just silly when OP clearly stated r/m/e will get boosts. And if this isn't the point that is trying to be made then do a better job of making it cause this is what people are getting from it.

So I can either do Delve or spend 150+ million on getting an RME to 99, and then whatever other *** they have in mind, just to play a job?

Because that is absolutely what is at stake here. The gap between these weapons and literally everything available pre-SoA is only slightly less than a 99 RME and a LEVEL ONE WEAPON.
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By Sylph.Mirvana 2013-04-29 19:40:00  
I miss Tanaka


It's not that "things aren't being given on a silver platter"; It's that SE just tucked the tablecloth into its belt and tried to get up from the table, ruining everyone's meal.
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By Bismarck.Punchus 2013-04-29 19:41:00  
When Abyssea came out sure some people were upset that the once coveted gear wasn't top notch anymore but it didn't stop them from getting the better stuff. If SE doesn't give you something to work for then why are you wasting your time. If you don't like Delve then don't do it. Just don't complain that you can't solo an NM cause you don't have the gear to do it. And when I use the word 'YOU' I am talking in a general way and not about any specific individual.
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By Fenrir.Elliott 2013-04-29 19:42:41  
Bismarck.Punchus said: »
Fenrir.Elliott said: »
Sylph.Mirvana said: »
When 95% of the game's content seems like it just became pointless to bother with, yeah, I'll take this ***with more than a "meh I'll wait and see" attitude.

This is my problem exactly. What is left to do if almost all older content is being eliminated? I can only hit so many roots and rocks, plus I still like doing the older content (Dynamis, Salvage, Abyssea etc.) but just because I still enjoy it doesn't mean I don't need some sort of motivation to do it. I don't think sub-par weapons and highly situational gear will be enough. I think I just liked the game the way it was. I was looking forward to new content with rewards and upgrades like anybody else, but not so much the total system overhaul...

Can people not read? Can you not read the original post in the topic you are writing this crap in?? Can you not see the title of the topic? What do you not comprehend about the whole point of the OP? The part where he says "we will be implementing a system to build on R/M/E weapons"? What is so damn confusing about that? Sure your weapon isn't the best at the moment. Sure there is something amazingly better right now. What are you going to complain about when what they do implement requires you to do something like dip your weapon in the piss from a 2 ton dino and wash it with holy water and you'll have a devilish divine affinity with the lords of destruction? Will you be happy that the currently old content is no longer pointless to do or will you *** that your soon to be over powered weapon isn't handed to you with out any effort? Grow up and learn to have one of the key attributes of life.... Patience.

It's not about having the best current weapon or whether the weapon is still worth making or not. The point it is that in the game's current state, irregardless of future promises, the motivation to make such weapons is dying or dead for some people. I don't think it's me who didn't read. I'm not /ragequitting or anything, but most content does indeed feel pointless, whether it is or not, but that isn't really anything new. Also, anyone still playing FFXI after all this time has patience.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-04-29 19:43:58  
Bismarck.Punchus said: »
When Abyssea came out sure some people were upset that the once coveted gear wasn't top notch anymore but it didn't stop them from getting the better stuff. If SE doesn't give you something to work for then why are you wasting your time. If you don't like Delve then don't do it. Just don't complain that you can't solo an NM cause you don't have the gear to do it. And when I use the word 'YOU' I am talking in a general way and not about any specific individual.

You cannot possibly be this obtuse.

Any content made going forward will either be beyond trivial to a few people with these weapons or completely impossible for anyone with anything less. To even imply this is anywhere close to the gear bump post-Abyssea is completely insane.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2013-04-29 19:45:50  
Bismarck.Punchus said: »
When Abyssea came out sure some people were upset that the once coveted gear wasn't top notch anymore but it didn't stop them from getting the better stuff. If SE doesn't give you something to work for then why are you wasting your time. If you don't like Delve then don't do it. Just don't complain that you can't solo an NM cause you don't have the gear to do it. And when I use the word 'YOU' I am talking in a general way and not about any specific individual.

That's the thing though, because outside of the most "pinnacle gear or gtfo" people, we have 99 Ukons playing alongside 85 Ukons playing alongisde WoE weapons playing alongside Laceratrice. Laceratrice -> Ukon is significant, but many people are ok with that (depending on content or whatever.) Ukon -> Razorfury is quite a bit different, let alone Laceratrice -> Razorfury.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-29 19:47:23  
JP forums are better

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/31961-%E4%B8%83%E6%94%AF%E5%85%AC%E6%AD%A6%E5%99%A8%E3%81%8C%E6%A5%B5%E7%AB%AF%E3%81%AB%E5%BC%B7%E3%81%84%E4%BB%B6?p=425877&viewfull=1#post425877
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By Valefor.Omnys 2013-04-29 19:47:57  
As someone pointed out on official forums, betwixt all the "I kwit" posts, pets are really gonna feel this.

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By Bismarck.Punchus 2013-04-29 19:49:47  
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Bismarck.Punchus said: »
When Abyssea came out sure some people were upset that the once coveted gear wasn't top notch anymore but it didn't stop them from getting the better stuff. If SE doesn't give you something to work for then why are you wasting your time. If you don't like Delve then don't do it. Just don't complain that you can't solo an NM cause you don't have the gear to do it. And when I use the word 'YOU' I am talking in a general way and not about any specific individual.

You cannot possibly be this obtuse.

Any content made going forward will either be beyond trivial to a few people with these weapons or completely impossible for anyone with anything less.

What exactly is your gripe? What is it that upsets you the most out of this update? If you have an r/m/e then you should be able to look at new weapons and see what possibility there is for your weapon. If you don't have an r/m/e then you can look at the new weapons and see the possibility to do better than what you currently are. Both Scenario's are WIN.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-04-29 19:50:29  
People are upset that the old content will all be pointless if the new content has better gear. Sure it might be fun, but if you have no chance of getting gear that improves you or your friend's chars then it becomes boring much quicker. By introducing a new event that drops gear for every slot superior to the old gear, they've basically obsoleted thousands of hours of playable content. This means they've forced themselves into a content race: they need to create new ***faster than the current endgame players defeat it. With their 4 man development team, this won't happen.

The intelligent people aren't upset about their weapons becoming comparatively less awesome, they're upset that SE just made a move with a high potential to outright kill the game.

(There are crybabies who are upset their shitty 85 emps became even shittier 85 emps in comparison, but nobody cares about them.)
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-04-29 19:50:35  
Bismarck.Punchus said: »
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Bismarck.Punchus said: »
When Abyssea came out sure some people were upset that the once coveted gear wasn't top notch anymore but it didn't stop them from getting the better stuff. If SE doesn't give you something to work for then why are you wasting your time. If you don't like Delve then don't do it. Just don't complain that you can't solo an NM cause you don't have the gear to do it. And when I use the word 'YOU' I am talking in a general way and not about any specific individual.

You cannot possibly be this obtuse.

Any content made going forward will either be beyond trivial to a few people with these weapons or completely impossible for anyone with anything less.

What exactly is your gripe? What is it that upsets you the most out of this update? If you have an r/m/e then you should be able to look at new weapons and see what possibility there is for your weapon. If you don't have an r/m/e then you can look at the new weapons and see the possibility to do better than what you currently are. Both Scenario's are WIN.

Because this doesn't actually constitute a reward. This is the gear equivalent of a limit break quest. I have to go out and get one of these weapons for every melee job I play or I simply cannot play them.

Four months from now I will most likely have to do it over again.
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By Asura.Chrik 2013-04-29 19:52:48  
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
People are upset that the old content will all be pointless if the new content has better gear. Sure it might be fun, but if you have no chance of getting gear that improves you or your friend's chars then it becomes boring much quicker. By introducing a new event that drops gear for every slot superior to the old gear, they've basically obsoleted thousands of hours of playable content. This means they've forced themselves into a content race: they need to create new ***faster than the current endgame players defeat it. With their 4 man development team, this won't happen.

The intelligent people aren't upset about their weapons becoming comparatively less awesome, they're upset that SE just made a move with a high potential to outright kill the game.

(There are crybabies who are upset their shitty 85 emps became even shittier 85 emps in comparison, but nobody cares about them.)

I see what you did thar ;D
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By Bahamut.Kiralai 2013-04-29 19:53:55  
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Bismarck.Punchus said: »
When Abyssea came out sure some people were upset that the once coveted gear wasn't top notch anymore but it didn't stop them from getting the better stuff. If SE doesn't give you something to work for then why are you wasting your time. If you don't like Delve then don't do it. Just don't complain that you can't solo an NM cause you don't have the gear to do it. And when I use the word 'YOU' I am talking in a general way and not about any specific individual.

You cannot possibly be this obtuse.

Any content made going forward will either be beyond trivial to a few people with these weapons or completely impossible for anyone with anything less. To even imply this is anywhere close to the gear bump post-Abyssea is completely insane.

A lot of those weapons seem like they'll be AH-able/crafted. So you won't have to do Delve or build a R/M/E, no. They're surely going to be ridiculously overpriced to begin with, but I hardly doubt its going to stay that way. They look ridiculous to our eyes now, but if that kind of DMG is intended to be the new standard, you can expect that it'll eventually be on the AH, and be cheap enough that people can afford it to get into the content. It just won't happen right away.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2013-04-29 19:53:59  
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Bismarck.Punchus said: »
I see the point clearly. The point is why do dynamis if the relic can't compare to something you can get off the AH. When this thinking is just silly when OP clearly stated r/m/e will get boosts. And if this isn't the point that is trying to be made then do a better job of making it cause this is what people are getting from it.

So I can either do Delve or spend 150+ million on getting an RME to 99, and then whatever other *** they have in mind, just to play a job?

Because that is absolutely what is at stake here. The gap between these weapons and literally everything available pre-SoA is only slightly less than a 99 RME and a LEVEL ONE WEAPON.

It depends on the weapon you want and if you want HQ or not.
You'll probably spend more than 150 million on HQ GS or scythe.
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By Bahamut.Kiralai 2013-04-29 19:56:54  
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
People are upset that the old content will all be pointless if the new content has better gear. Sure it might be fun, but if you have no chance of getting gear that improves you or your friend's chars then it becomes boring much quicker. By introducing a new event that drops gear for every slot superior to the old gear, they've basically obsoleted thousands of hours of playable content. This means they've forced themselves into a content race: they need to create new ***faster than the current endgame players defeat it. With their 4 man development team, this won't happen.

The intelligent people aren't upset about their weapons becoming comparatively less awesome, they're upset that SE just made a move with a high potential to outright kill the game.

(There are crybabies who are upset their shitty 85 emps became even shittier 85 emps in comparison, but nobody cares about them.)

Nope.
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