Endeavoring To Awaken --A Guide To Rune Fencer

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Endeavoring to Awaken --A Guide to Rune Fencer
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By kenshynofshiva 2013-04-09 12:43:11  
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Idk if im missing something here but just been killing dragua and with Shell V Barstone and 3 wind runes up ive been taking 500-1000 damage from spells. Idk if its just because its dragua or because i was in my tp gear or that im too used to having Aegis on magic heavy mobs.

Have you been using ur wards? Also whats ur enhancing skill at?
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By Odin.Creaucent 2013-04-09 13:12:26  
yes been using wards and 323 enhancing magic.
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By kenshynofshiva 2013-04-09 13:21:36  
Odin.Creaucent said: »
yes been using wards and 323 enhancing magic.


Well that sucks haven't tested vs dragons yet next time I see a shout gonna have to go and play...
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By Asura.Fitali 2013-04-10 04:38:39  
Does RUN have access to OAT Magian GS? And if so would it be worth making over STR GS?
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By Asura.Sope 2013-04-10 04:39:49  
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Does RUN have access to OAT Magian GS? And if so would it be worth making over STR GS?

They do not :(
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-10 04:40:28  
Doesn't have that path as it's shared with Caladbolg...str magian and hatzoaar are your best bets. Or Borealis.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-04-10 09:18:26  
The difference between /WAR and /SAM depends on buffs and target. The more haste you have the more valuable /SAM is due to the +10% JA haste of Hasso. RUN can't cap out haste any other way so really if your super buffed then /SAM is the absolute best sub. /WAR becomes more viable when your not receiving songs.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-04-10 09:59:07  
Also for whomever mentioned "Animated Flourish!!".

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Animated_Flourish

1CE 1500VE with 2 FM's, 1CE 1000VE with 1FM.

Provoke = 1CE 1800VE
Flash = 180CE 1280VE

Yeah AF pretty much sucks for hate unless your using it for the initial VE spike. It's hate is entirely gone before it's timer is even up. If someone needs the VE spike better to use Flash and / or Provoke.
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By Ragnarok.Agerknux 2013-04-10 16:16:56  
Don't forget Dervish Sword for people who do magians. Too bad it's pretty much once every 5 days for a chance at the thing...
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-04-11 13:08:12  
Has anyone thought of any dt set for run while keeping some haste/acc/att?

This is what I came up with, wonder if I missed anything:

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By Asura.Solara 2013-04-11 14:30:50  
Run's base attack is very low even with A+ skills due to their lack of any native traits, and that set only has +34. 22 haste isn't bad, but it's going to significantly impact dps on a job that has a ton of ja/spell delay and relies on en-damage to pick up the slack from lackluster ws dmg that gets even worse with only +4 stp from gear.

I honestly don't think a hybrid turtle set is nearly worth it to only mitigate a third of dmg taken. The af/relic/af3 sets will probably help a lot with that, but for now it isn't really feasible.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-11 14:31:50  
That set has 26% haste.
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By Asura.Solara 2013-04-11 15:08:44  
Ah, you're right. I missed the haste on the hands, only saw the pet haste. Thanks.
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-04-11 16:07:11  
I just started RUN, it seems like it has a lot of JA to hold hate, so I'm just looking at it as a tank trying to keep hate and stay alive at the moment.

If they ever really fix tanking and add 15% JA haste to LR, it will feel like nin/DRK all again to me spamming stun/flash/JA :P.

I'm prolly wrong with my approach of the job at the moment but from the few thing I've read from it, it seems fun.
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By Asura.Rekin 2013-04-12 08:30:48  
You might be on point, in the exp party I was in yesterday I was able to peel hate off someone who did 30% dmg to the mob with Valiant, then again said person also got hit for a 4th of their health probably helped.
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By Asura.Solara 2013-04-12 08:46:52  
Yeah, but at that point you may as well be Pld/Drk, Pld/Run or Drk/Run. You'd get the same hate generation abilities with better offensive or defensive utility.
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By Gimp 2013-04-12 08:54:13  
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Sylph.Hyunkyl said: »
Any words on ruinator/requiestcat Runefencers? Just to compare with Resolution ^^


asked for a comparison on DPS for TP and WS a few pages back if someone wants to walk me through how to do this exactly I'll try to compute something up myself.
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-04-12 12:57:54  
Asura.Solara said: »
Yeah, but at that point you may as well be Pld/Drk, Pld/Run or Drk/Run. You'd get the same hate generation abilities with better offensive or defensive utility.

Dat parry rate yo!

More seriously, does /RUN give everything that main Run give ? Also the supposed Last Resort change will only apply to 2hander.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-12 12:59:54  
2 runes, lunge, vallation, swordplay and pflug.
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By kenshynofshiva 2013-04-12 13:11:01  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
2 runes, lunge, vallation, swordplay and pflug.

Was blu/run last night not bad not bad self skill chain and MB with lunge is nice. Enspells was like 9 and flash to pull with was fun.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-12 13:12:11  
Tbh I think the only thing that even matters as /run is swordplay. Doesn't look like a great sub for anything to me.
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2013-04-12 13:13:50  
Asura.Ccl said: »
I just started RUN, it seems like it has a lot of JA to hold hate, so I'm just looking at it as a tank trying to keep hate and stay alive at the moment.

If they ever really fix tanking and add 15% JA haste to LR, it will feel like nin/DRK all again to me spamming stun/flash/JA :P.

I'm prolly wrong with my approach of the job at the moment but from the few thing I've read from it, it seems fun.

Thats not going to help NIN at all seeing as the 15% haste is going to be for 2H weapons only.
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By Asura.Solara 2013-04-12 13:22:22  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Tbh I think the only thing that even matters as /run is swordplay. Doesn't look like a great sub for anything to me.

It gives the key mitigation abilities, as well as the primary hate generators. Run doesn't look like a great anything so far, that's kinda the problem.
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By Quetzacoatl 2013-04-12 13:33:37  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Doesn't have that path as it's shared with Caladbolg...str magian and hatzoaar are your best bets. Or Borealis.
Or Crobaci!
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-04-12 17:55:12  
For RUN, should I buy Calmecac Trousers? I have Dux NQ atm, also should I WS in them for the DA/TA/QA chance?
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By Enuyasha 2013-04-12 18:04:42  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Tbh I think the only thing that even matters as /run is swordplay. Doesn't look like a great sub for anything to me.
PLD/run is fun with Fealty and Pflug :< no so much of the TPing end cause you lose base DA.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-04-12 18:47:16  
Phoenix.Kojo said: »
For RUN, should I buy Calmecac Trousers? I have Dux NQ atm, also should I WS in them for the DA/TA/QA chance?

There is no QA on Calmecac are there? I don't think they fair well for WS use either.
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By Cerberus.Diabolique 2013-04-12 18:49:39  
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For RUN, should I buy Calmecac Trousers? I have Dux NQ atm, also should I WS in them for the DA/TA/QA chance?
Calmecac would be better pants to tp in. Aurore are also better pants to TP in(And Athos and Ocelot and Euxine and Thaumus). I use Dux for resolution though, and for pdt obviously. They're better than what you are using currently, but I can't really say if they're worth the cost to you.

Not sure about using them for WS really. Also no QA on them.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-04-12 19:12:53  
QA, I think I was thinking of Thaumas body.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-13 11:05:50  
Don't ws in cowboy pants.
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