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By Buzzwords 2013-04-01 23:21:03  
Lakshmi.Saevel said: »

STR Magian should be better then TP Bonus, Reso really doesn't get a big boost from another 100TP vs how much the Attack would help out.

are we sure about this? according to BG wiki resolution DOES get an FTP bonus with more tp, and it's also one of those ws's that carries ftp across all hits, so wouldn't that be kind of a big deal?

of course when i punched it into a dps spreadsheet, the sheet showed no change at all. upon further inspection it didn't list ANY change in ftp with higher tp. prolly just an out of date sheet but could you be working with an outdated tool as well?

that being said it would have taken a shitload of work to get that old pld sheet up to date so i don't have a GOOD picture, but tp bonus magian looked competitive?
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By Fenrir.Calamity 2013-04-02 00:49:11  
I could believe str magian being better for RUN based just on it's attack deficiency in WS gear combined with the attk penalty from reso. I could really see it making a big difference. For RUN at least.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-04-02 05:34:12  
Buzzwords said: »
Lakshmi.Saevel said: »

STR Magian should be better then TP Bonus, Reso really doesn't get a big boost from another 100TP vs how much the Attack would help out.

are we sure about this? according to BG wiki resolution DOES get an FTP bonus with more tp, and it's also one of those ws's that carries ftp across all hits, so wouldn't that be kind of a big deal?

of course when i punched it into a dps spreadsheet, the sheet showed no change at all. upon further inspection it didn't list ANY change in ftp with higher tp. prolly just an out of date sheet but could you be working with an outdated tool as well?

that being said it would have taken a shitload of work to get that old pld sheet up to date so i don't have a GOOD picture, but tp bonus magian looked competitive?

Extremely sure.

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Lakshmi.Saevel said: »

STR Magian should be better then TP Bonus, Reso really doesn't get a big boost from another 100TP vs how much the Attack would help out.

Obviously it gets a boost in damage, just not a large enough one to justify the TP Bonus +100 Great Sword.

Tenebreuse
DMG: 123 Delay: 444
STR +11
Attack +26 (34.25)

Vs

Kauriraris
DMG: 110 Delay: 456
TP Bonus +100

Resolution
fTP: 0.95 @100 (125 with earring)

Resolution has a linear fTP gain of 0.125 per 100 TP so 1.075 for 225 TP.

That is a 13.15% increase in fTP coupled but slightly lower DMG. Assuming 180 STR (not exactly sure what would be normal for most sets + food) we get 153 WSC. Now the STR sword has +11STR on it for another 9.35 WSC along with its 13 higher DMG. I'm gonna plug in 20 fSTR (21 for STR GS) as it seems viable to hit on most things.

We're just going to calculate a single hits worth as both would have the same number of hits, though pDiff would favor STR magian.

306 base DMG on STR magian * 0.95 for 290.7
283 base DMG on TP Bonus * 1.075 for 304.225

Gives you a relative difference of 4.65% higher WS damage for the TP Bonus.

So your doing less TP damage for a 4.65% increase in WS damage without including the attack from the STR Great Sword.

So yes the STR Magian easily beats out the TP Bonus in actual use.
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By lugado 2013-04-03 15:47:07  
did anyone math out how borealis fared on run vs the str magian I'm curious about this
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By Ragnarok.Taereon 2013-04-03 15:51:45  
and what about the weaponskill damage +10% great sword, how does it fare? Don't judge me I made it out of boredom years ago for my drk.
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By Ragnarok.Agerknux 2013-04-03 16:21:01  
Napkin math
Assuming str is around this but 11 more for Tene and capped fStr.
Does not factor in the extra attack that Tenebreuse provides (Slightly higher ratio).
Edit: Oh not to mention this is just WS damage, TPing is a different calculation.

Tenebreuse
D: 123
STR +11
Max fStr = 21

Kauriraris
D: 117
fStr = 21


Tene-- Str: 191 --> WSC: 152
Kaur-- Str: 180 --> WSC: 144

Resolution
0.71875 + .2 = .92875 (From gorgets)

Tene--(123 + 152 + 21) = 296
Kaur--(117 + 144 + 21) = 282


Ratio(Arbitrary):
@.6 = 296*.6*1*.92875 = 164.94
@1 = 274.91
@1.75 = 481.09
@2 = 549.82
@2.25 = 618.55
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@.6 = 282*.6*1.1*.92875 = 172.86
@1 = 288.1
@1.75 = 504.17
@2 = 576.2
@2.25 = 648.22
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By Heimdel 2013-04-03 16:26:01  
Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
Sylph.Organic said: »
Valefor.Angierus said: »
They listed RUN on Skadi +1 and Thaumas, not sure what else they will have access to so currently building a set would be like shooting in the dark as to what would be usable in other slots.

The lack of AF1,2 and 3 makes me sad but hopefully June/July will bring that.


you mean June / July 2014 right?

The stupid part about this is unless it's within the next week or so, half the playerbase will never have an excuse to wear af. I've literally 1-99'ed a job in a day (more than one actually).

:/

sad thing is there were ones with in 12-18 hours. Now people who did that with geo was kind of a waste seeing geo is so heavily dependent on its skill for spell potency.
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