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 Quetzalcoatl.Elysien
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By Quetzalcoatl.Elysien 2014-01-06 13:56:45  
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I ve tried them with sv minne x 3-4 and cocoon and bio II and they still will rape you. I m not saying that minne does nothing I m saying that it s not enough to prevent getting owned especially considering that it will try to skillchain you at low hp, and utsusemi will not prevent that. You are totally ignoring the part where brds will have to recast songs while sitting in aoe in which they will die 100% of the time unless they cast ddb songs which are not enouh to get a decent hitrate. Also a single whm is not enough to heal 3 mnks. There are plenty of reasons for which it wont work which is probably why nothing but rng strats have been posted.
I had this huge post explaining explicitly all of your concerns, but then I thought, "why bother?" you have to be the most ignorant ffxi player I've ever come across, or a class A troll. either way, congrats to you, sir.

I do have one piece of advice, try playing the game with some real capable players; they're still some out there, and it makes things much more enjoyable.
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By Siren.Noxzema 2014-01-12 13:58:10  
Does anybody have any estimates for the AA stats for the spreadsheets? I've looked around here and BG but I haven't seen any. At least the mithra D/VD would be nice to test.
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By pchan 2014-01-12 15:11:49  
VD HM arounds 1100-1120 eva
VD MR around 1180-1200 eva

Based on my eyeballed accuracy wth SV madrigals with DDB or GH.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2014-01-12 15:25:12  
What's your DEX, acc from gear, etc.? 1100EVA would floor your accuracy with nothing but SV madrigals (even with hunter and sushi). Unless I'm missing a buff, it isn't possible to get an acc high enough to determine that something has >=1200eva
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2014-01-12 16:21:27  
eyeballed accuracy, thx
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By Ragnarok.Flippant 2014-01-12 16:40:42  
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
What's your DEX, acc from gear, etc.? 1100EVA would floor your accuracy with nothing but SV madrigals (even with hunter and sushi). Unless I'm missing a buff, it isn't possible to get an acc high enough to determine that something has >=1200eva

I don't recall if Level Correction was eliminated only for SoA areas or for all content above level 99, but I'm going to guess that the discrepancy between you and Pchan's eyeballs is related to that.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Elysien 2014-01-12 17:04:16  
it's pretty hard to determine that when you're constantly gear swapping, buffs going down, etc..

mnk/nin
168 acc in gear
104+125 dex [sushi, boost dex, songs af3] (171)
440 h2h skill+oatixur (664)
nq sole sushi (72)
19 minutes of soul voiced merited double ghorn mads (162)
109 crown for focus (35)

SB parses me between 50-60% acc on VD mithra. as I said, is not really accurate due to buffs wearing, PDT swapping, etc..

however, if I were to eyeball, I'm hitting maybe 85% in full buff/gear situation. either way, you aren't capping accuracy on that mithra.

edit: i believe level correction is still active in non soa areas.
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By pchan 2014-01-13 03:32:24  
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
What's your DEX, acc from gear, etc.? 1100EVA would floor your accuracy with nothing but SV madrigals (even with hunter and sushi). Unless I'm missing a buff, it isn't possible to get an acc high enough to determine that something has >=1200eva

You missed something. On HM I am easily capping with sv madrigals, sushi and GH. When I recast songs I can only use ddb so as to be out of range from aoe. I use only those gear for acc

Honed,lithelimb cap, otonif body/hands/legs/feet augmented with 10 acc, acc8 earringsx2, patricius ring.

You can input this into the SS. Since I have almost capped acc with DDB only on HM during SV, this is equivalent to around 1100 eva.

Using the same gear I made a post a while back explaining I had 75% acc on MR with focus and agressor (but with SV'd + GH'd madrigals) which gives MR's eva for 1200 ish.

Note that you can cap acc on mithra if you full time acc, you will only last 10 seconds though. You can add at least 70-80 acc to this gear.
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By pchan 2014-01-13 14:52:05  
Successfully did HM, very hard, WHMx2 BRDx2 MNK/BLUx2, totally relevant to the thread.

MNKs are both fulltming (no gear swap during WS)

(Spharai afterglow 119 // verethragna afterglow 119) x x honed tathlum
lithelimb cap, twilight torque, heartseeker, steelflash
otronif, otronif, defending rng, patricius ring
mollusca mantle, BB, otronif, otronif

all otronif augmented with pdt/acc nearly perfectly

both WHM are average
both BRDs have GH+DDB 99+ one has carwenhan (SV march, minuetx2, madrigalx2, non sv'ed minnex4)

~15 minutes.
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By Sylph.Bekah 2014-01-13 18:45:44  
Which pieces of MNK 119 are worth it, just hands? None of the rest look very exciting.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2014-01-13 18:48:16  
Arguable on worth it, but all of the JA enhancers get minor boosts. So worthwhile for macro swaps if nothing else.
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2014-01-13 18:52:32  
Both the body and legs are situationally good for Victory Smite and best for Chakra.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Urat 2014-01-15 05:03:34  
Wouldnt the +kick attacks base dmg on +1 boots hands down be best TPing boots?

Adding all that base damage to your kick attacks must be a notable amount of damage over time, and suddenly any other random pieces of gear that give +kick attacks might actually be viable pieces to look at again considering our kick attacks damage are back up to scratch again...
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By Kyler 2014-01-15 06:02:47  
pchan said: »
Successfully did HM, very hard, WHMx2 BRDx2 MNK/BLUx2, totally relevant to the thread.

MNKs are both fulltming (no gear swap during WS)

(Spharai afterglow 119 // verethragna afterglow 119) x x honed tathlum
lithelimb cap, twilight torque, heartseeker, steelflash
otronif, otronif, defending rng, patricius ring
mollusca mantle, BB, otronif, otronif

all otronif augmented with pdt/acc nearly perfectly

both WHM are average
both BRDs have GH+DDB 99+ one has carwenhan (SV march, minuetx2, madrigalx2, non sv'ed minnex4)

~15 minutes.

Totally killed dark spark mnk/BLM for warp, 10 seconds. Relevant
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2014-01-15 06:28:58  
Pchan suggested an alternative strategy to something that people actually do and benefit from.

But yeah, good job on your post that just makes you look like an idiot in comparison.
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2014-01-15 07:30:39  
But who does it really help? His strategy only applies to people with two 4 song BRDs and a fairly large amount of gil invested in accuracy/PDT on Otronif. No one is realistically ever going to use his strategy. It's inferior behind 3-4 other proven setups(some that still use MNK) in about every aspect, which has been pointed out to him many, many times. I'd understand if it was an alternative strategy that made it easier or used less people, but it's neither. It's just him being stubborn/idiotic.

Also, he's probably omitting some data. First, it took them 20min to clear(I guess he forgot to tell his buddy to lie on BG). Even 1 death would likely spell doom for the run. Second, they most likely pre-buffed with at least 2 COR before entering the BC. It'd be foolish if he didn't since he has access to it. Third, it took them at least more than 1 try to win, probably many more since we're this far into update and this is their first win. Not to mention his lack of understanding of simple BC mechanics like pet sleep resistance... I'd take any advice he gives on these BCs with a grain of salt.
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By Sylph.Peldin 2014-01-15 08:15:50  
Ragnarok.Ejiin said: »
But who does it really help? His strategy only applies to people with two 4 song BRDs and a fairly large amount of gil invested in accuracy/PDT on Otronif. No one is realistically ever going to use his strategy. It's inferior behind 3-4 other proven setups(some that still use MNK) in about every aspect, which has been pointed out to him many, many times. I'd understand if it was an alternative strategy that made it easier or used less people, but it's neither. It's just him being stubborn/idiotic.

Also, he's probably omitting some data. First, it took them 20min to clear(I guess he forgot to tell his buddy to lie on BG). Even 1 death would likely spell doom for the run. Second, they most likely pre-buffed with at least 2 COR before entering the BC. It'd be foolish if he didn't since he has access to it. Third, it took them at least more than 1 try to win, probably many more since we're this far into update and this is their first win. Not to mention his lack of understanding of simple BC mechanics like pet sleep resistance... I'd take any advice he gives on these BCs with a grain of salt.
Well said. Damn well said.
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By pchan 2014-01-15 11:55:27  
Quetzalcoatl.Urat said: »
Wouldnt the +kick attacks base dmg on +1 boots hands down be best TPing boots?

Adding all that base damage to your kick attacks must be a notable amount of damage over time, and suddenly any other random pieces of gear that give +kick attacks might actually be viable pieces to look at again considering our kick attacks damage are back up to scratch again...

Spreadsheet says it's not the best feet, probably because the damage on main weapon it now too high compared to kicks. I think even with 100 dmg boost they are not very good.
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By Sylph.Peldin 2014-01-15 12:42:12  
Hrm. Have you tried with Laktisma Leggings equipped in the spreadsheet? I'll check myself, but won't be until I get off work.

*edit* And I forgot to check when I got home, lol. I'll mess around with it this weekend I'm sure.
 
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By Sylph.Peldin 2014-01-26 01:13:14  
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So if i wanted to mess with Final Heaven, what would be the best FH set lol?
thanks

Helm - Anchorite's +1
Neck - Tjukurrpa Medal
Earrings - Bladeborn/Steelflash
Body - Anchorite's +1
Gloves - Anchorite's +1
Rings - Epona's/Terrasoul
Back - Atheling (or Anchoret's)
Waist - Caudata
Legs - Anchorite's +1
Feet - Anchorite's +1

This may not be the absolute best. I didn't take the time to try out everything on the spreadsheet.
 
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By Asura.Gabba 2014-01-26 11:41:12  
Sylph.Nikia said: »
Until i get my hands on new kitty mask is Uk'uxkaj Cap still next best option for spharai?
define Spharai?...
I suppose:

Best TP if dont need acc - Felistris Mask
For Impetus - Uk'uxkaj Cap
Need Acc - Whirlpool Mask
Idle in Town - Felistris Mask

and if for Spharai you mean Final Heaven, yea I would use Felistris Mask
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By Phoenix.Suji 2014-01-26 12:10:40  
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Sylph.Nikia said: »
Until i get my hands on new kitty mask is Uk'uxkaj Cap still next best option for spharai?
define Spharai?...
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By Sylph.Rafaras 2014-01-26 22:20:11  
Can anyone post the best Final Heaven set please.
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By Sylph.Peldin 2014-01-26 23:13:05  
DPS Spreadsheets
There ya go
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By Kyler 2014-01-26 23:13:50  
Sylph.Rafaras said: »
Can anyone post the best Final Heaven set please.

Deja vu
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By Sylph.Peldin 2014-01-27 15:31:37  
Looking at my current gear verse Tojil with appropriate buffs
Buffs include:
Impetus (For Set 1 with Victory Smite)
Focus (For Set 1 with Victory Smite)
Berserk (For Set 2 with Shijin Spiral)
Aggressor (For Set 2 with Shijin Spiral)
Red Curry Bun
Ionis
Marchx1, Minuet5/4/3, and Madrigalx2 with Soul Voice
Chaos, Fighter's, Rogue's, and Miser's Roll

Debuffs include:
Dia II (-10% defense)

I'm getting Thew Bomblet as an upgrade to my TP set. I also have Tantra Tathlum as an upgrade for my Victory Smite set.

1) I'm curious if I need to change something on the spreadsheet to show Potestas being better, or if it's because of my current gear that Thew and Tantra are giving me better numbers.
2) I'm not familiar with other debuffs to Tojil that may come in to play... also, how can I account for the attack down aura? Should I remove all the Minuets to account for it?
3) Should I be making an obvious gear change somewhere that I missed?
4) Shijin Spiral is showing worse numbers than Victory Smite, even with Impetus down. But I am almost positive that in real play, Shijin was doing a lot better than Victory Smite (eyeballing is gay or spreadsheet error?)

Current TP:
ItemSet 317188

Current Victory Smite:
ItemSet 316840

Current Shijin Spiral:
ItemSet 319064
 
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