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By Odin.Kaoscore 2013-03-12 01:23:15

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Khepri bonnet is a bit out of my reach and I don't have a way to do meebles at the current time. Would Kheper be an acceptable sub or should I just stick with Thaumas Head for now?

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By Odin.Sawtelle 2013-03-12 01:47:41

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Along those lines, how does usu head +1 fare as a WS head piece when not getting dDex from khepri.

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By Ramuh.Austar 2013-03-12 01:50:58

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Worse than Nemetona.

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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2013-03-12 06:57:39

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Added the miscellaneous section, touched up some sets, added some and will work on adding a few more/differentiating the hierarchy (I'm quite bad at this part, I apologize).

As I noted in..the notes.. you'll have to give me awhile on the "progression" section. I accidentally copy and pasted over it because everything started to look the same to me and I'm fairly overwhelemed by the idea of "all that..again...???". It'll happen, though.

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By pchan 2013-03-12 07:03:24

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The weapon comments are completely dumb. You make it sound like spharai is good though not as good as vere, which is pretty much HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. Generally speaking, verethragna is good but spharai will surpass it if you have a good WS set. For glanzfaust, you are mostly ignorant.

Saying that MNK has noway to maintain AM3 is pretty dumb. Fist because you need (at most) 35s in order for 300 TPs to be ready right at the 3 minutes marks. 35s is really nothing especially because the WS damage of the mnk is going be only 30%, so you will be losing 30% of the damage 20% of the time which has litterally no impact. I've done the math and galnzfaust turns out to be the max potential damage for monk, and also with hundred fists it's clearly the best option. Here are some numbers :

On ~level 99 target with BRD buffer, boost dex, enfire, impetus , berserk

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vere AM1 DPS : 749.595682, spharai : 752.622505
glanz am3 DPS : shijin : 772.971381, ascetic : 727.720634

On ~level 120 target with BRD buffer, boost dex, enfire, impetus, angon

Thos DPS account for the ~35s that the monk has to do without using WS.

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vere DPS am1 : 400.466130, spharai : 360.613933
glanz DPS : shijin : 407.600869, ascetic : 408.899537

gear used :
vere :
//TP
gearset[0]="verethragna 99";gearset[1]="potestas bomblet";
gearset[2]="usukane";gearset[3]="rancor";gearset[4]="brutal";gearset[5]="moonshade att/reg";
gearset[6]="thaumas";gearset[7]="tenryu +1";gearset[8]="rajas";gearset[9]="epona";
gearset[10]="atheling";gearset[11]="twilight";gearset[12]="khepri";gearset[13]="thaumas";
//WS
wstype="victory smite";
wsset[0]="verethragna 99";wsset[1]="tantra tathlum";
wsset[2]="usukane";wsset[3]="rancor";wsset[4]="brutal";wsset[5]="moonshade att/tpbonus";
wsset[6]="tantra +2";wsset[7]="heafoc";wsset[8]="pyrosoul";wsset[9]="epona";
wsset[10]="atheling";wsset[11]="wanion";wsset[12]="abatteur";wsset[13]="kacura";

spharai & glanzfaust:
//TP
gearset[0]="spharai 99 afterglow";gearset[1]="potestas bomblet";
gearset[2]="usukane";gearset[3]="rancor";gearset[4]="brutal";gearset[5]="moonshade att/reg";
gearset[6]="thaumas";gearset[7]="mustela";gearset[8]="rajas";gearset[9]="epona";
gearset[10]="atheling";gearset[11]="twilight";gearset[12]="byakko";gearset[13]="usukane";
//WS
wstype="shijin spiral";
wsset[0]="spharai 99 afterglow";wsset[1]="potestas bomblet";
wsset[2]="ocelomeh +1";wsset[3]="gorget";wsset[4]="brutal";wsset[5]="jupiter";
wsset[6]="toci";wsset[7]="myrmex";wsset[8]="thundersoul";wsset[9]="epona";
wsset[10]="atheling";wsset[11]="artful +1";wsset[12]="khepri";wsset[13]="thaumas";

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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2013-03-12 07:06:34

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Yes, Glanzfaust is the best Hundred Fists weapon. I knew I forgot something.

I'm not downtalking Spharai at all, I use it way more often than Verethragna. Suppose you might be lost in translation, but what's new.

Your Glanzfaust analysis would be more relevant if that's how it worked in practice, or if AM3 were over-writable.

Thanks for your input, bye.

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By Ragnarok.Ravant 2013-03-12 08:22:03

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Seriously amazing read! Very informative and I laughed at quite a few parts. 10/10!

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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2013-03-12 08:30:38

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Thanks for that info Pchan, very informative and helps make the decision between which weapon to make much easier.

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By Ragnarok.Felgarr 2013-03-12 08:31:39

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Thank you so much for posting this.

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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2013-03-12 10:26:14

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You're welcome :)

As a note, I added the ability to return to the TOC as an additional form of navigation at the start/end of sections of the guide. I hope that helps.

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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-03-12 10:32:53

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Not much in terms of upgrades since I've left. Hopefully Seeker's brings some gear worth coming back for.

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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-03-12 10:42:18

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Good guide by the way

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By Sylph.Peldin 2013-03-12 12:05:12

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Sylph.Jrpg said: »

Skilling up Guard is still worthless, right?

Fenrir.Jinjo said: »

you have a small chance to Guard that increases with your guard skill.

What is the % chance?

Btw, great guide.

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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-03-12 12:29:25

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A small comment about the woe weapon? There's still some people who did those in the past just cause they couldn't do abyssea and may wonder if they're better than current ah options etc.

(I've seen this kind of question happen often for many jobs)

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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-03-12 12:52:44

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Is this what you're looking for, for a spellcast?

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<?xml version="1.0" ?>
<spellcast xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude">
    <config
        Debug="false"
        HideErrors="false"
        ShowGearSwaps="false"
        ShowSpellInfo="false"
    />
    <sets>
        <group name="MNK_base">
            <set name="idle">
                <ammo>Iron Gobbet</ammo>
                <head>Oce. Headpiece +1</head>
                <neck>Wiglen Gorget</neck>
                <lear>Hearty Earring</lear>
                <rear>Ethereal Earring</rear>
                <body>Melee Cyclas +2</body>
                <hands>Melaco Mittens</hands>
                <lring>Sheltered Ring</lring>
                <rring>Paguroidea Ring</rring>
                <back>Shadow Mantle</back>
                <waist>Black Belt</waist>
                <legs>Mel. Hose +2</legs>
                <feet>Herald's Gaiters</feet>
            </set>

            <set name="resting" BaseSet="idle">
                <back>Melee Cape</back>
            </set>

            <!-- mix of stats (mostly thaumas) since it's just a fallback set -->
            <set name="weaponskill">
                <ammo>Potestas Bomblet</ammo>
                <head>Thaumas Hat</head>
                <neck>Justiciar's Torque</neck>
                <lear>Brutal Earring</lear>
                <rear>Ghillie Earring +1</rear>
                <body>Toci's Harness</body>
                <hands>Thaumas Gloves</hands>
                <lring>Rajas Ring</lring>
                <rring>Epona's Ring</rring>
                <back>Atheling Mantle</back>
                <waist>Wanion Belt</waist>
                <legs>Thaumas Kecks</legs>
                <feet>Thaumas Nails</feet>
            </set>
            <set name="asuran" BaseSet="weaponskill" />
            <set name="ascetic" BaseSet="weaponskill" />
            <set name="victory_smite" BaseSet="weaponskill">
                <head>Khepri Bonnet</head>
                <rear>Moonshade Earring</rear>
                <hands>Myrmex Mittens</hands>
                <legs>Khepri Kecks</feet>
                <feet>Kacura Leggings +1</feet>
            </set>
            <set name="shijin" BaseSet="weaponskill">
                <ammo>Potestas Bomblet</ammo>
                <head>Oce. Headpiece +1</head>
                <hands>Mustela Gloves</hands>
                <lring>Thundersoul Ring</lring>
                <legs>Byakko's Haidate</legs>
            </set>
            <set name="final_heaven" BaseSet="weaponskill" />

            <set name="hundred_fists">
                <legs>Melee Hose +2</legs>
            </set>
            <set name="mantra">
                <hands>Tpl. Gloves +1</hands>
            </set>
            <set name="formless_strikes">
                <hands>Tpl. Gloves +1</hands>
            </set>
            <set name="boost">
                <hands>Tpl. Gloves +1</hands>
            </set>
            <set name="focus">
                <head>Tpl. Crown +1</head>
            </set>
            <set name="dodge">
                <feet>Tpl. Gaiters +1</feet>
            </set>
            <set name="counterstance">
                <feet>Mel. Gaiters +2</feet>
            </set>
            <set name="impetus">
                <body>Tantra Cyclas +2</body>
            </set>
            <set name="chakra">
                <ammo>Iron Gobbet</ammo>
                <head>Genbu's Kabuto</head>
                <neck>Tjukurrpa Medal</neck>
                <lear>Terra's Pearl</lear>
                <rear>Terra's Pearl</rear>
                <body>Tpl. Cyclas +1</body>
                <hands>Melee Gloves +2</hands>
                <lring>Terrasoul Ring</lring>
                <rring>Terrasoul Ring</rring>
                <back>Melee Cape</back>
                <waist>Caudata Belt</waist>
                <legs>Kensei Sitabaki</legs>
                <feet>Ryuga Sune-Ate</feet>
            </set>
            <set name="chiblast">
                <head>Melee Crown +2</head>
                <neck>Faith Torque</neck>
                <lear>Neptune's Pearl</lear>
                <rear>Neptune's Pearl</rear>
                <body>Kirin's Osode</body>
                <hands>Khepri Wristbands</hands>
                <lring>Aquasoul Ring</lring>
                <rring>Aquasoul Ring</rring>
                <back>Melee Cape</back>
                <waist>Cascade Belt</waist>
                <legs>Tpl. Hose +1</legs>
                <feet>Suzaku's Sune-Ate</feet>
            </set>
            <set name="enmity">
                <head>Arh. Jinpachi +1</head>
                <neck>Invidia Torque</neck>
                <body>Arhat's Gi +1</body>
                <waist>Warwolf Belt</waist>
            </set>
            <set name="pdt">
                <ammo>Iron Gobbet</ammo>
                <head>Arh. Jinpachi +1</head>
                <neck>Twilight Torque</neck>
                <lear>Darkness Earring</lear>
                <rear>Darkness Earring</rear>
                <body>Arhat's Gi +1</body>
                <hands>Melaco Mittens</hands>
                <lring>Defending Ring</lring>
                <rring>Dark Ring</rring>
                <back>Shadow Mantle</back>
                <waist>Black Belt</waist>
                <legs>Tpl. Hose +1</legs>
                <feet>Plumb Boots</feet>
            </set>
            <set name="mdt">
                <ammo>Demonry Stone</ammo>
                <neck>Twilight Torque</neck>
                <lear>Merman's Earring</lear>
                <rear>Merman's Earring</rear>
                <body>Avalon Breastplate</body>
                <hands>Denali Wristbands</hands>
                <lring>Defending Ring</lring>
                <rring>Shadow Ring</rring>
                <back>Mollusca Mantle</back>
                <waist>Lieutenant's Sash</waist>
                <legs>Lore Slops +1</legs>
                <feet>Lore Sabots +1</feet>
            </set>
            <set name="perfect_counter" baseset="pdt">
                <head>Tantra Crown +2</head>
            </set>
            <set name="utsusemi">
                <ammo>Iron Gobbet</ammo>
                <head>Tantra Crown +2</head>
                <neck>Magoraga Beads</neck>
                <body>Scorpion Harness</body>
                <hands>Tantra Gloves +2</hands>
                <back>Boxer's Mantle</back>
                <waist>Black Belt</waist>
                <legs>Tantra Hose +2</legs>
                <feet>Suzaku's Sune-Ate</feet> <!-- Fastcast augment -->
            </set>
        </group>

        <!-- Actual groups you use - these must define "engaged" and "engaged_impetus" -->
        
        <!-- Default DD set -->
        <group name="dd" inherit="MNK_base" default="yes">
            <set name="engaged">
                <ammo>Potestas Bomblet</ammo>
                <head>Usk. Somen +1</head>
                <neck>Rancor Collar</neck>
                <lear>Brutal Earring</lear>
                <rear>Ghillie Earring +1</rear>
                <body>Thaumas Coat</body>
                <hands>Tenryu Tekko +1</hands>
                <lring>Rajas Ring</lring>
                <rring>Epona's Ring</rring>
                <back>Atheling Mantle</back>
                <waist>Windbuffet Belt</waist>
                <legs>Tantra Hose +2</legs>
                <feet>Usk. Sune-Ate +1</feet>
            </set>
            <set name="engaged_impetus" BaseSet="engaged">
                <body>Tantra Cyclas +2</body>
                <legs>Byakko's Haidate</legs>
            </set>
        </group>

        <!-- Evasion set -->
        <group name="evasion" inherit="MNK_base">
            <set name="engaged">
                <ammo>Fenrir's Stone</ammo>
                <head>Usk. Somen +1</head>
                <neck>Torero Torque</neck>
                <lear>Musical Earring</lear>
                <rear>Novia Earring</rear>
                <body>Athos's Tabard</body>
                <hands>Usk. Gote +1</hands>
                <lring>Defending Ring</lring>
                <rring>Alert Ring</rring>
                <back>Boxer's Mantle</back>
                <waist>Black Belt</waist>
                <legs>Ocelot Trousers</legs>
                <feet>Athos's Boots</feet>
            </set>
            <set name="engaged_impetus" BaseSet="engaged" />
        </group>

        <!-- Turtle set -->
        <group name="turtle" inherit="MNK_base">
            <set name="engaged">
                <ammo>Iron Gobbet</ammo>
                <head>Arh. Jinpachi +1</head>
                <neck>Twilight Torque</neck>
                <lear>Brutal Earring</lear>
                <rear>Darkness Earring</rear>
                <body>Arhat's Gi +1</body>
                <hands>Melaco Mittens</hands>
                <lring>Defending Ring</lring>
                <rring>Dark Ring</rring>
                <back>Atheling Mantle</back>
                <waist>Black Belt</waist>
                <legs>Usk. Hizayoroi +1</legs>
                <feet>Usk. Sune-Ate +1</feet>
            </set>
            <set name="engaged_impetus" BaseSet="engaged" />
        </group>
    </sets>

    <rules>
        <!-- Don't swap out the chakram - clearly it's there for a reason -->
        <if EquipRange="Trollbane">
            <disable Slot="Range|Ammo" />
        </if>
        <else>
            <enable Slot="Range|Ammo" />
        </else>
        <if spell="autoset">
            <equip when="idle" set="idle" />
            <equip when="Resting" set="resting" />
            <if buffactive="Impetus">
                <equip when="Engaged" set="engaged_impetus" />
            </if>
            <else>
                <equip when="Engaged" set="engaged" />
            </else>
        </if>
        <if status="idle">
            <equip when="aftercast" set="idle" />
        </if>
        <if status="engaged">
            <if buffactive="Impetus">
                <equip when="aftercast" set="engaged_impetus" />
            </if>
            <else>
                <equip when="aftercast" set="engaged" />
            </else>
        </if>

        <!-- Weapon skills -->
        <if type="WeaponSkill">
            <if Spell="Victory Smite">
                <equip when="precast" set="victory_smite" />
            </if>
            <elseif Spell="Shijin Spiral">
                <equip when="precast" set="shijin" />
            </elseif>
            <elseif Spell="Ascetic's Fury">
                <equip when="precast" set="ascetic" />
            </elseif>
            <elseif Spell="Final Heaven">
                <equip when="precast" set="final_heaven" />
            </elseif>
            <elseif Spell="Asuran Fists">
                <equip when="precast" set="asuran" />
            </elseif>
            <else>
                <equip when="precast" set="weaponskill" />
            </else>
        </if>

        <!-- Job Abilities -->
        <elseif Spell="Boost">
            <equip when="precast" set="boost" />
        </elseif>
        <elseif Spell="Dodge">
            <equip when="precast" set="dodge" />
        </elseif>
        <elseif Spell="Focus">
            <equip when="precast" set="focus" />
        </elseif>
        <elseif Spell="Counterstance">
            <equip when="precast" set="counterstance" />
        </elseif>
        <elseif Spell="Chakra">
            <equip when="precast" set="chakra" />
        </elseif>
        <elseif Spell="Chi Blast">
            <equip when="precast" set="chiblast" />
        </elseif>
        <elseif Spell="Impetus">
            <equip when="precast" set="impetus" />
            <!-- This is because buffactive doesn't pick it up right off the bat -->
            <equip when="aftercast" set="impetus" />
        </elseif>
        <elseif Spell="Perfect Counter">
            <equip when="precast" set="perfect_counter" />
        </elseif>
        <elseif Spell="Provoke">
            <equip when="precast" set="enmity" />
        </elseif>
        <elseif Spell="Formless Strikes">
            <equip when="precast" set="formless_strikes" />
        </elseif>
        <elseif Spell="Mantra">
            <equip when="precast" set="mantra" />
        </elseif>
        <elseif Spell="Hundred Fists">
            <equip when="precast" set="hundred_fists" />
        </elseif>

        <!-- spells -->
        <elseif Spell="Utsusemi*">
            <equip when="precast" set="utsusemi" />
        </elseif>

        <!-- PDT Swap -->
        <elseif Spell="Firaga II">
            <equip when="precast" set="pdt" />
        </elseif>

        <!-- MDT Swap -->
        <elseif Spell="Blizzaga II">
            <equip when="precast" set="mdt" />
        </elseif>
    </rules>
</spellcast>

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By Ragnarok.Lowen 2013-03-12 13:07:55

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Thaumas hat is no bueno for Smite?

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By Ragnarok.Zohnax 2013-03-12 13:24:57

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Ragnarok.Lowen said: »

Thaumas hat is no bueno for Smite?

Second to Nemetona.

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By Sylph.Krsone 2013-03-12 13:37:07

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U forgot suzy feet mdt set beats solea rly. edit: perhaps about equal actually with good augments.

No posted chakra build

No mention of getting frenzy sallet for its uses.

Scan read it so maybe I missed these mentioned idk.

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By Odin.Sawtelle 2013-03-12 14:03:08

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Ramuh.Austar said: »

Worse than Nemetona.

I suppose I should have been a bit more specific. I was asking in reference to DC-EM mobs. I have it coming ahead of thaumas and nemetona in situations where khepri dex doesn't matter.

Edit: numbers now that i'm home

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By pchan 2013-03-12 14:18:12

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Sylph.Krsone said: »

U forgot suzy feet mdt set beats solea rly.

No posted chakra build

No mention of getting frenzy sallet for its uses.

Scan read it so maybe I missed these mentioned idk.

no room for chakra gear anywhere and atarctic soloea are better because you can cap mdt easily with shellra 5 and other gear.

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By Sylph.Krsone 2013-03-12 14:23:32

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How does that make solea better than suzy feet? You can get like +5 magic eva and 3-4 mdb on suzy feet its not mdt...

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By Ragnarok.Zohnax 2013-03-12 14:27:13

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Sylph.Krsone said: »

How does that make solea better than suzy feet? You can get like +5 magic eva and 3-4 mdb on suzy feet its not mdt...

It's pchan. You're surprised?

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By Sylph.Krsone 2013-03-12 14:28:31

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No they are quite close both are good, you got 3 mdb, 5 magic eva and 2% haste say on ideal suzy feet vs those solea. But his arguement about capping mdt has nothing to do with comparing these 2 pieces his reply didnt make sense.

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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2013-03-12 14:36:38

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Sylph.Peldin said: »

Sylph.Jrpg said: »

Skilling up Guard is still worthless, right?

Fenrir.Jinjo said: »

you have a small chance to Guard that increases with your guard skill.

What is the % chance?

Btw, great guide.

Honestly, there's been next to no (published) testing related to guard skill. I'll start running a parser and maybe get some reasonable estimates.

I can add a Chakra build if you'd like, I personally don't have room for one outside of the pieces to remove status ailments. And I'll work on lower-end MDT/PDT sets, since there appears to be some interest. Those are just really odd to piece together, because the options almost fit together perfectly.

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By pchan 2013-03-12 14:36:52

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meva does nothing

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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2013-03-12 14:42:53

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Fantastic guide. Very jealous of the amazing formatting.

Not to mention, Pchan is probably dying of rage right now, which is probably a great sign that the logic and facts of the guide are working as intended.

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By Otomis 2013-03-12 14:51:43

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http://genomeffxi.livejournal.com/

Genome was one of the true Mnks back in day. Like many of use tanking Mnks. This is before the Mnk abyssea band wagon of course. I have cap guard and had capped guard at 75 which happened easy enough tanking salvage. Guard is an amazing skill for Mnk as it can fully mitigated damage. Read genomes Guide, it was very useful at 75 and still is.

As for chakra, Simple browse the Mnk forums having a full chakra set is a wonderful thing Mnk as well. esp when combined with Invigorate.

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/13116/chakra-screenshots/

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This might be a little out dated now. But it is a start. A goal for most Mnks is about 700 chakra with a 20/tick regen. When combined with other regen gear running from battle to battle can net a significant amount of HP.

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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-03-12 14:54:19

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Genome was one of the true Mnks back in day.

That guy was an absolute joke.

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By Sylph.Jrpg 2013-03-12 14:55:51

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I only ask about Guard because I was under the impression through years of lurking that Guard (and skilling it up) was crap/a waste of time, and I haven't actually tested it myself. I believe Tigerwoods had Guard capped at one point and said it made no noteworthy difference. And generally speaking, there has been plenty of misinformation spread around about it.

I also figured I'd mention it now to get it out of the way. My Guard is at 240ish and never paid attention to it.

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