IiPunch - Monk Guide

It's significant with Fotia Belt + Gorget included.

Huh ... fTP transfer would mean Fotia would be used which is a helluva lot more then 5%.

1.0625 + 0.1953 = 1.2578 which is a 20~25% increase. Still SS's fTP doesn't scale with TP only the shitty plague effect so there is no way to use TP Bonus to pump it up, it's just adding DEX.

That being said, what makes SS useful is that it's in Fusion and isn't extremely weak (think Atonement / ect..). Makes for a good option when construction multi-step SC's. AF -> VS -> SS -> VS for double light.

Yes... But no one uses Asuran Fists, so no one is flipping. Make it like Resolution and suddenly everyone will be flipping (out)!

I was talking stand alone. Gorget and belt would still be under 20% excluding additional hits.

Umm the entire point of transfer fTP WS's is to exploit Fotia and multi-attacks.

"If we ignore the positive benefits of something then that something is negative" is not a valid line of reasoning. "I'm always right as long as we exclude when I'm wrong".

what's a variable?

Dodge Dodge Distract *Fail*


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1.0625 + 1.0 x 4 = 5.0625
Using Fotia gorget (cause not much better for next slot) = 5.160
Adding copy fTP with Fotia

1.2578 x 5 = 6.289

6.289 / 5.0625 = 1.24227 or 24.77% that is worst case scenario
6.289 / 5.160 = 1.2187 or 21.87% which is what most people will have.

Now MNK is on a *** ton of Multi-Attack gear, the same ***that BLU's, THF's and DNC's use to proc all those TA's on their own copy fTP WS's. So lets add one Double-Attack

1.2578 x 6 = 7.5468 (Copy fTP)
6.160 (current)
7.5468 / 6.160 = 1.2251, 22.51% increase.

Single TA
8.8046 / 7.1601 1.2296, 22.95% increase.

Your statement is factually incorrect, stop trying to argue it right. No amount of changing definitions will make 1 + 1 = 3.

gorget + belt

805/673 = 1.1961

looks less than 20% to me.

you're just picking and choosing your arguments.

I think you're a great source of knowledge dude. Just think how much more seriously you would be taken, and listened to, if you weren't condescending to individuals in your responses?
Not picking a fight - just saying your points will say all that needs to be said.

WTF are you smoking and can you please share? I've shown my work, in detail, with explanations. Your original assessment was wrong because you completely forgot about Fotia and Multi-Attack procing and just looked at going from 1.0 to 1.0625. It's fine, happens to the best of us.

My original assessment was not wrong. Considering most people just blatantly copy the front page, I wouldn't be surprised if all he did was change 1.0 to 1.0625 in the additional hits tab or whatever it is.

1.0625+200/1024+4 = 673/128
(1.0625+200/1024)*5 = 805/128

805/673 = 1.1961 for 5 hit


1.0625+200/1024+7 = 1057/128
(1.0625+200/1024)*5 = 1288/128

1288/1057 = 1.2185 for 8 hit

I'm nice until someone's a ***, then I publicly humiliate them to serve as an example to not be a ***.

My original statement was


No dickishness involved, but Austar couldn't have that so lots of gaslighting and *** followed. The appropriate response is "my bad man, forgot about those lolz".

Fair enough.

hahaha, those *** got you. Oh well. Keep sharing dude. I know a lot of people appreciate it. That's because they probably don't head to the P & R thread and read your political views though XD

6.2890625/5.2578125 = 1.196136701
10.0625/8.2578125 = 1.218543046

that enough decimals for you?

have mercy on the rest of us non-mathy people.
(I did chuckle) lol

Psst this is where your off. Fotia in waist slot usually isn't the best for SS without Copy fTP vs something like Grunfeld (or some others). I even explained that above


That is why I show my work and explain my choices vs just printing one or two lines and declaring myself smarter then everyone else.

No, now tell us the exact value of π down to the last decimal.

/waits forever

well compared to no waist slot (like yours), it's more accurate. now if you want to go and compare every single slot, go ahead. I'd really like to see that.

The actual realized difference is entirely too situational, which is why I give a range of potential improvement. Moonbow belt is the BiS right now (that I know of) and no small part of it's increase comes from Multi-Attack which adding copy fTP WS's changes dramatically. Further there is WSD and DEX vs DA/TA considerations. My estimates are that between 20~25% damage overall improvement on SS going from how it is now to a copy fTP WS. Using fTP comparisons are a good "fast and dirty" way of gauging potential improvements.

that's my point, you can't compare one item to nothing.

I didn't think Austar's post (27 posts ago) was even worth correcting

His initial point is that the change wouldn't make shijin useful. His math was wrong, but really doesn't matter because you're still talking about a ~20% increase in damage, instead of the >50% increase that Shijin Spiral would need to be useful

so they'd have to make ftp replicate and add some ftp to the WS

or, more likely, they'll continue to ignore it


yay, we solved it

MNK FORUM IS ALIVE RIGHT NOW - Proof that MNK will get buffed beyond our expectations !

SS is useful as a SC connector. It's damage is decent, with fTP changes it would be more exploitable, but ultimately it's there to link a Light or Double Light SC. The damaging WS is VS and that's Light / Fragmentation so you still need a Fusion component and the only other choice is Ascetic's Fury or Asuran -> Howling to get the Fusion element in play to link to a Victory (or another Fragmentation WS) for light to be followed up with another VS for double light.

There are tons of WS's are that are useful because they can be used to link a SC while also dealing enough damage to justify using them in the first place.

And yeah the bat signal was lit.

Define "significant".
It's quite a big increase, but not enough to "fix" MNK WS AVG damage with just that.

MNK needs more thna "just" Shijin Spiral TP transfer to be "fixed".
Which is why I said I would welcome it with open arms, but it wouldn't be enough.

Precise numbers aside, this is pretty much what I meant :)
Last I tested on Spreadsheed even when I added FTP transfer property to Shijin Spiral, overall damage was clearly much better but still not really what I'd call "good enough".