For The Shinies! A Guide For Thief

I would replace hands and back piece with recycle options.
Please explain your earrings.

I believe you need a decent chuck of magic accuracy to land additional effects from the bolts, so those earrings are pretty solid in terms of macc.

Stacked or unstacked?

M.acc for bolt proc. should be able to land bolts with sushi and that r.acc(you'll have over 1.1k r.acc)

If trying to proc in incursion, racc and macc are better than recycle for the most part.

Does the ambush +5 triple attack bonus from af2 body only work when ambush is active(when behind the mob), or is it a straight +5% TA as long as its meritted and engaged?

Only counts when Ambush is active.

■Game Description: Grants an accuracy bonus to melee and ranged attacks from behind an enemy.

■Job Traits are always active.

■Each additional increase placed into Ambush increases melee and ranged accuracy by 3, up to 15 with full merits.

Also begs the question though, how often are you behind a mob.

I did 2 sets for rudra unstacked in spreadsheet, tomorrow gonna recheck but gonna leave here for discussion:

Dynamis, att capped

ItemSet 333169

Tojil no buff, no food

ItemSet 333171

Basically those are supose to be the 2 extreme cases. In dynamis, where with just rcb you can cap your attack so you can focus only in stacking dex in every piece, as any att or str from gear does not help, and da or ta contributes too little relative to dex. Against tojil with no food or buff, youre attack starving, so str and att start having a higher contribution to ws dmg.

Some pieces are really situational and not even worth having it. first, the imperial head, it requires unity max bonus to beat ukuxkaj with dex augment, so most likely you gonna end with ukuxkaj as prefered piece. Trepidy mantle requires latent but often you gonna rely in kayapa mantle. Kuwunga earring is a more common situation, when you are under madrigal what should be normal for any high lv nm, being jupiter the second best for an att uncapped situation. Donar gun just figures in list because its the highest dex ranged thf can use, but most likely not pratical as you need yetshilas for stacked rudra, and swapping back yetshila for donar or other ranged will result in tp zero. But you can use jukuki thats dex 4, and you can swap at will with yetshila when your sa or ta is ready.

The idea is as your pdif decrease, you can give up few points of dex if the att given is high. Eyeballing, you can give up 1 dex if you can get back more than 2 attack.

Assuming the SAMs are all gonna be clustered in the front for Overwhelm, I would assume for most content, it shouldn't be too hard.

Thats a pretty bad example & explanation cause you don't always have SAMs, and THF hits with more frequency constantly recapping enmity more frequently then SAM.

Ditch donar gun for wingcutter +1, assuming you are using the hairpin because your unity is high enough to beat aug ux' cap then wingcutter +1 will beat donar gun. as for love torque you can ditch that for shifting +1 neck or the moepapa medal if you can't get shifting +1 on your server.
Trepidity mantle is only truely worth while on darksday, swap that out for the kayapa mantle

Love torque beats shifting on unstacked rudras.

That I did not know, I have both and I have been gimping myself with moepapa



As far as I can recall I think someone said a while back that dex is the outright winner here meaning artful would win in both cases. That is what I have been using but I could be wrong.

In most reasonable circumstances you won't want to use Prosilio+1. For capped attack Artful+1, for uncapped attack Wanion. Unless you actually do Tojil with zero attack buffs. Same goes for neck, Shifting+1 should beat Love in any reasonable situation.

Or just use Jukik Feather so you can TP in Ginsen/Honed.

That is what I prefer myself, ginsen/yetshila (stacked)/jukik (unstacked)

I'm sorry, still had my spreadsheet setup to not take into account atk buffs given and things like 3 song bard / content existing outside of tojil. Yes you are correct. Atk buffs on tojil or anything you can basically hit capped attack shifting necklace +1 does beat love torque, my mistake.

Even if not a huge diference, the dex options will beat the 0.1 ftp from gorget/waist in most (if not all) situations.

As failaras mentioned, love/prosilio are really extreme situation choices when youre basically in a bad party situation with low buffs and low chances to win anyway. The pdif is about 0.5 (your attack is half of your oponent defense) when att options start being comparable to dex options. I could maybe say that can happen when fighting unity nm lowmaning. Overall, with half decent buffs against tojil, and overall high lv mob, you will be fine with combo shifting/wanion.

Seeing how rare Shifting is on my server, I use Moepapa medal atm. 1 less DEX, 6 more AGI for TA.

I would still advocate love torque as second best option of shofting for uncapped att, even against tojil with normal attack buffs (pdif 1).

While dex beats all other attributes for rudras by a large margin, still its profitable giving 1 dex for 7 skill or 7 attacks (but 2 dex beats 7 attacks).

For trick attack, while it seems agi will benefit more than attack because it adds directly to dmg, in fact, att will contribute more as all your base agi will be multiplied by pdif.

I just would advocate moepapa as second best to shifting if you dont need att at all.

SE must be give me 500 inventory before I start worrying about 1 stat difference...

Does Chiners+1 have any use for THF? I got one today from woe but unsure if its better than wanion/artful+1.

For rudra, nope. Just a placeholder till you get wanion or artful+1, as those are considerably rarer.

If you have any, you can sell your chiners.

Multi attack adds too little to rudra, according to spreadsheet.

Piggybacking on this. The less attack you have the better Love is (I guess this should be common sense but whatever). When you are at say 2.0 PDIF the difference between Love and Moepapa is pretty small, for instance if I spreadsheet Tojil with Cor/Brd/Geo buffs I'm still not attack capped but am close enough and Moepapa is around 5 total damage per WS behind Love. However if I drop the Cor buffs completely Love just skyrockets above Moepapa by around 150 damage per WS. If I drop all the buffs it isn't even close.

I cant imagine how 5 attack would make 150 damage differnce in a WS

Well when the WS is already averaging 11680, 150 isn't that much.

I have the code in my Gs for locking ranged:

Function check_range_lock()
If player.equipment.range ~= 'empty' then
disable ('range', 'ammo')
else
enable ('range', 'ammo')
end
end


When i equip an xbow and bolt and activate SA, it put on my yetshila

Nvm only locks it in battle i think