For The Shinies! A Guide For Thief

I'll take a slightly faster kill speed with a miniscule degradation to TH.

Also known as:

I'll take a sure thing over false hope any day.


And if we're going to play those cards, how many Thief's knives did you guys get and sell for 60mil before it was nerfed?






Get off my damn lawn you kids and stop skateboarding on the sidewalks!

You could profit more if you had used mug instead.

holy hell there is a cockstronomical amount of *** swinging in here

Isn't that why we're all here watching?

oh i have a question how the hell are you all even wsing dyna mobs by the time i step 2x and flourish mobs are 10% or less (not sarcasm)

Ok I have to explain to you how Dynamis works. WS damage is not as important (it still is, but I will get to that) as melee damage because ...

1) You are never guaranteed to stagger the mob at 100% HP and have the TP to weapon skill

2) You will kill a lot more mobs meleeing them down over weapon skilling them. TP is mostly reserved for steps, haste samba and curing

3) Some mobs don't die in one WS (although rudras probably kills all now) all the time, so having a good WS set helps because it gets you close, or you can stack it with Sneak Attack and/or Assassins Charge to ensure better damage.

4) Therefore, the TP set is the most important thing. This isn't just me saying this, Dancer's do the exact same thing. TP set is much more important for a DNC than their WS set for dynamis.

5) Sometimes mobs won't stagger at all, so you can try stagger and if it dies naturally from melee hits, you know it wasn't to be. Move on and stagger the next mob in one move. Typical Dynamis.

6) Because the TP set is the most important, full timing empy feet +2 doesn't help much. You can probably get away with using the hands 119 and chaac belt if you have them, but then you would be losing hands options, and waist choices like Patentia sash, further slowing down your melee damage.

Though I usually keep it to myself, my THF *** is pretty huge.

At the end of the day though, this discussion is nothing more than an unnoticeable amount of dps damage vs an unnoticeable amount of TH, so whatever really.

seha if i recall right you are a fairly petite person avoid the swinging *** !

Exactly my point. Beat me to it.

Ninja edit: Although sometimes you can stagger on the first step and proceed to destroy it with one WS. It's possible, depends how lucky you are.

at the end of the day i can't really talk about dyna numbers because i go in if whatever my mule needs doesnt drop before 80 singles i warp lol

Lol good night.

Sorry if I couldn't provide you the best customer service, you are English, and I couldn't understand half of what you was saying, so I had to give you the standard answer and hope that something hits. Have I answered your questions in the most timely and helpful manner today?

We have a grammar nazi. Someone needs to go to bed.

Can someone translate this? "Ok let me break it down for you. Not official numbers but example.
Wsing damage between setups do nothing mob are over killed regardless.
So this kill speed your talking about is tp phase only.
Sand/atoyac 360 damage swing 720 damage attack round excluding TA
Izi/atoyac 380 damage(and that's over doing it) 760 damage.
Mob has 7k hp
Both are 9 rounds there's no difference. You need to get about a 77 damage difference between the 2.
Now sprees sheet it and show me different.
Where as my th 8 caps then I have an extra th during tp for a small but increase non the less.
And these are for only mobs your not overkilling with ws. So half?
Where's this massive difference your talking about?"

Better? Typing on iPad so it's a pain and auto correct on ff11 slang is a pain.

pfft. amateur i tattooed one on to mine goes up to 4 1/2!

All I can get from this is that you are trying to prove it doesn't matter whether you use Izhiikoh or Sandung as main weapon. Of course it matters, Izhiikoh has better damage, triple attack, attack+ and dex. What does Sandung have? It has WS dmg +5, but that isn't going to help much.

You seem to be implying that it takes nine rounds for both setups, but there are so many variables that can never be set in stone using a spreadsheet. I would never spreadsheet this, because it's dynamis. I take it seriously because I want money, but I don't take it that seriously.

The Treasure Hunter on Sandung is useless if you can get TH from equipment.

Sandung is not a BAD weapon, I ain't saying that no one should ever use it, but there are better options (even if it is small dps increase), so why not use the better options if you can?

The massive difference I was talking about was the difference between how many mobs you would kill naturally with melee hits (unless you WS even if you stagger at 10%) than how many mobs you would kill with a weaponskill. I didn't say Izhiikoh was a massive difference over Sandung. If I did I apologize.

I now see why you wrote out like that. Thank you for making it easier to read. If I still misunderstood what you meant, then maybe someone else can chime in and clear things up.

I'd argue that TH and WSdmg+ is more useful than atk+ and dex.

Higher DMG just means you'll kill 6 mobs before procing in a run instead of 4. Offers no advantage other than WS damage, and we don't seem to care about +WS damage..

The extra TA is the best it has to offer, since if you proc earlier, there's a 1.8% or so chance you won't have to wait an extra round to WS the mob.

Mobs don't last long enough to build TH effectiveness, so keeping TH capped all the time wouldn't help. It is quite rare I ever kill a mob without staggering, spamming steps will put your dps in slow motion, so you can keep doing steps til it staggers, and then you can finish it off with melee hits or weaponskill, depends how desperate you are to get onto the next mob I suppose.

If I get one of those mobs that refuses to proc, I would rather kill it and move on. Staggers will always bring the money more than stacking TH in dynamis. This is why I bring an Oynos Knife, because having Haste helps a lot .. yes, it lowers dps a lot (switch back to Atoyac when I get haste), but the haste will get you more staggers which is more important.

You're not thinking about the job properly.

Increasing TH is not something you 'do', it's a chance. Wearing more TH gear increases the chance of TH hitting 9 or higher. Not on every mob of course, but if the number of mobs that hit TH9 go from 3-4 to 10-20, there is value to that. However little you may think it is, it's just as little as the dps increase you're suggesting.

Otherwise, I'm not entirely sure what the rest of your post is about. Came off as more of a blog than anything else.

I swear to god I'll pull the trigger and blow a hole through your brain if you ever stop spamming F5

Just as I previously said, I would stick with the sure thing than rely on false hope.

This is coming down to a matter of opinion.

Framing it as a 'false hope' is a bit disingenuous since the 'false hope' you're referring to is that higher TH levels increase the drop rate, which we know is true.

The only matter up for question is how much it increases drop rate by

It's funny I hadn't looked at the page in over a half hour. I just came back to look and see more epic headdesk worthy posts.

TH doesn't do jack-diddly-***-all after TH2

Sandung is bad and you should feel bad.

If people are having similar results, sans Valli, with currency they are pulling from Dynamis; I'd say it has little affect. Which brings me to my matter of opinion on -not- wasting gil to purchase a Sandung.

(I still have one anyways but is for purely aesthetic uses, I swear. /saveface)

Well then, up against the impressive powers of eyeballing, what artillery do I have?