For The Shinies! A Guide For Thief

This post is really old but this is actually something I'd like to know more about!

BG Wiki lists 3 trusts that use Haste Samba. Mumor, Uka Totlihn, and Mayakov. All three say that they only use it if there's a party member with a main job that can cast Cure (so a RDM for this discussion, since they're a Haster) or against an undead enemy.

Do they keep it up full-time in that case? I've never actually tried them. Like, is it a reliable source of Haste, even if it's kind of a crappy one?

Mayakov is the only 1 with merits iirc so only one worth considering. Beyond general acc issues he can be slow to refresh it due to spamming steps but is otherwise good about it.

None of them are that good imo. Don't you have to be on main job with magic though? Or is a trust that uses magic really enough to trigger it?

Hoxne ring



Can someone edit the Treasure Hunter page on BGwiki to reflect this comment?

I directly copied this this sentence from BGwiki but apparently it's incorrect according to this guy.

Upgrading TH levels from normal attack rounds is inversely proportional to the difference between your current TH level in trait/gear and the monster's current TH level

Can you upgrade TH all the way to 14/15 with no TH gear equipped? Yes
You said: So anyone that only builds TH8 maximum will never see more than TH8. False

Furthermore, testing afaik has been far from conclusive that TH 9+ affects the upgrade rate once you get over TH 8 on the mob. Does TH 9+ actually affect higher tiers of TH upgrade rate? We don't know.

What we know for sure, is if you hit a mob with TH 8, your first proc will upgrade it to 9.

iirc, we have seen an increase in upgrade rate going from TH 4 to TH 8 in gear. I don't believe there is any testing that has clearly shown a difference in upgrade rate between TH 8 and TH 14 for gear.

Ok, than the text I put in bold needs to be removed from the Treasure Hunter page on BGwiki. That' all I'm saying.

And thank you for deleting my HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE comment from the Hoxne Ring page.

Far from conclusive? What?

While the current data is insufficient to sate sample size requirements to be conclusive, the sample size would need to be enormous to reach that threshold and the large amount of data presented suggests that wearing TH8 and TH14 will yield the same upgrade rate.

If you think the data is insufficient, why dont you generate some more data yourself?

Wow, I didn't know people had the ability to hack into other peoples posts on this site... that's..... interesting....

To be clear, the sentence you copied from bgwiki is not incorrect - it's just that you don't benefit from gear past TH8 combined. So proc'ing higher is just a matter of chance and (at that point) not influenced by you having any more TH gear. Hence, being equipped in TH14 worth of gear is exactly the same as being in TH8 worth of gear (including traits). The inverse proportion is still a thing. The difference in level just stops being favorable to you.

At least, according to Thorny(?)'s testing? Been a minute.

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/55788/treasure-hunter-proc-rate-testing-th-8-versus-14/7/#3688687

testing in question, there's seemingly no difference between gearing in full TH gear and having none at all(beyond the initial capped tag to start you off) so Hoxne is probably the only real piece of TH rate increase available beyond the TH gift thf gets

I don't know what I've done to you man...

I'm literally saying the same thing as you. Why the hostility?

Except you're not saying the same thing and you ended your post with "I dont believe any testing as been done showing a difference between TH8 and TH14 in gear" when there has been testing done and it leans towards suggesting that gearing TH9+ has no benefit.

your post is still there, it's auto-hidden since it hit a -10 score. you can still see that you posted something and can click [Show] to see the comment.

As for my comment on the same item page, my whole reason for adding it was to bait certain people here into necro-bumping a thief thread since none had seen any posts in over 3 months.

No posts because nothing changed.

+5% rate is identical to the gifts the job already got. Just another tier of it.

You'll see posts next week creaming about the new armor, you just had to wait.

so, how exactly does the trait work? is it:
upgrade rate of 5%+5%=10% or 5%*1.05=5.25%
i'm guessing the latter, but I don't actually know because there's nothing posted about it.

Now that you can toggle a change in rate with a quick equip swap I thought that would lead to testing in how the trait works. and if it works as the former of the two, then that would be a massive proc rate of >10% per attack round even at high TH.

23% > 28% now (not counting feint) ((128%))

It's the latter, obviously if it was the first we'd cap TH in 10 seconds.

Given how low the base rate increase is at higher levels(<1%) and that was seemingly with the stacked up 21% gifts 5% isnt likely to move the needle much either to be easily visible. Its just one of the few pieces that actually do push th upgrade rates(inb4 it doesnt actually work for some reason).

If we say the base rate is 5% then increasing the base rate by master (23%) The rate is 6.1%

If you increase it to 28% it's 6.4%

The difference is nonexistent.

Someone will have to prove it though. 10000 kills with and without, to satisfy people. They're never satisfied.

I got the ring cheap and might get around to doing proper testing at some point but mastery rank is consuming all my time lol.

Just anecdotally from two omen runs (not cleaving so I had chances to upgrade) it feels like a small increase in proc rate, drops weren't significantly changed.

I tend to agree it's most likely increasing a multiplier from 23%(from job points) to 28%, until I have proper data.

It's a filter that changes a certain word beginning with R and ending with etard into the phrase you see there. A self-righteous admin hard coded that; nobody hacked your post.

And TH past 8 almost certainly does nothing.

Honestly the ring is pointless for thf and other jobs can get th4 with just one th+2 DM piece or two +1 pieces with ease. It has value but nowhere near 150m value. It would never pay itself off.

It's been a while since I took a real look at the gifts.
Saw 5% there and thought that was all they gave, 23% really does make that ring way worse than I thought.

It really is just inventory+1 for non-THF and basically a placebo for THF mains.

Get 'em hot on Ragnarok server for the low low price of 300M. lol

If the +5% is actually rate+5, I think its decent for those times you want to raise TH. Unfortunately, there's one big problem:
Limbus doesnt require TH
Sortie doesnt require TH (I dont think its ever been debunked if the personal stones/case drops are influences by TH)
Gaol doesnt require TH
Sheol A/B make use of TH, but nothing worth building up.
DynaD makes use of TH, but barely anything worth building up (volte drops, thats about it)
Omen makes use of TH, but the jury is still out if the bodies are influenced by TH themselves, or theyre part of a shared drop slot.


And realistically, its more likely that its rate*1.05.

What's more, (assuming Treasure Hunter works this way) a few of the the best drops that TH actually works on anymore come from, like, Shinryu, and are "locked" behind terrible distribution pools, so +5% chance of increasing Treasure hunter just increases the rate you'll get the accessories you already have in your bag, not the ultra rare stuff you're actually after. Isn't a similar pool distribution system in place for Omen bosses and bodies/accessories?

I'm struggling to even think of anything where you'd be interested in procing TH for a drop anymore. Volte gear?