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 Asura.Bippin
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By Asura.Bippin 2022-06-10 12:12:37  
I think you forgot to read the rest of my comment.
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By Fenrir.Jinxs 2022-06-10 12:15:51  
Valefor.Furyspawn said: »
Gleti's has lower MEva and no MDT. You definitely want that for Lilith.

Edit: If you can hit MDT -21% with accessories (Staunch Tathlum, Defending Ring, Moonlight Ring, augmented Odnowa Earring +1, etc.) in addition to Shell V's MDT -29%, you could take advantage of the higher MDB on Gleti's. That would be sacrificing the MEva you'd get from Malignance or Nyame in those slots though.

There is stark contrast in the mdb from gleti vs mdb from malignance.

That being said yeah double checking gleti is only -physical with little to no int.

I think if there wasn't as many status effects in the fight it would be doable.

But malignance is the best for getting malignance.

Magic evasion all the way

Edit: that's a fantastic comparison table.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-06-10 12:26:59  
Asura.Bippin said: »
I think you forgot to read the rest of my comment.

Have you successfully landed defense down on Arebati? I was not able to land it on Ranger using bolts even back on v15 after like 25+ shots in full malignancy/macc. So I’m curious if you could do it from WS
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By Asura.Bippin 2022-06-10 12:30:15  
Yes

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	sets.precast.WS['Armor Break'] = { ammo="Yamarang",
    head="Carmine Mask +1",
    body="Agwu's Robe",
    hands="Agwu's Gages",
    legs="Agwu's Slops",
    feet="Agwu's Pigaches",
    neck="Erra Pendant",
    waist="Acuity Belt +1",
    ear1="Digni. Earring",
    ear2="Crepuscular Earring",
    ring1={name="Stikini Ring +1",bag="Wardrobe 4"},
    right_ring="Metamor. Ring +1",
   back={ name="Ogma's cape", augments={'HP+60','Mag. Acc+20 /Mag. Dmg.+20','Mag. Acc.+10','"Fast Cast"+10','Phys. dmg. taken-10%',}},}
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By Fenrir.Melphina 2022-06-10 13:00:12  
I would like to see proof via a chat log message indicating the defense down has worn off. Simply using armor break on Arrebati is one thing, but getting the additional effect to proc is another. And just posting your gear set isn't actually proof the defense down stuck. Mind you I'm not saying that it isn't possible. I'm just skeptical is all. The tier 3's have ridiculously high elemental resistances and ice >> wind so I question how reliable you can land defense down on him even if it can be done.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-06-10 13:04:24  
If he say he’s landed it then I’m sure he has. Can just look in the logger for it, should be easy to confirm.

I’ve just known I tried for a couple dozen shots worth and was never able to get oxidant bolts to land on him on V15 as RNG, and that shows up directly in the log. So maybe magic magic accuracy from WS is significantly higher, or perhaps threnody was on? I’ve never landed it on Arebati nor Ngai.
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By Fenrir.Melphina 2022-06-10 13:09:52  
Yeah, unless a mob is outright immune to an effect you should be able to land it. It has to be really hard though. I've never noticed the plague effect from shijin spiral wear off on Ngai, and I've looked for it in the log every time. Rune fencer has slightly higher magic accuracy in agwu's then monk does in mpaca though, and I didn't ever wear magic accuracy accessories when I attempted it. I'd be curious if he landed a full duration proc or a partial duration. I've had my rune fencers open with armor break on arrebati before too, and they said the effect didn't stick for them. So I'm curious here because nobody has ever landed it before in my parties is all. This is the first time I've ever heard of someone sticking defense down on arrebati.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-06-10 13:19:47  
I suppose you could go all out and use macc food like oden or stewpot and ask the Bard to use a SV Tro wind Threnody II. Prebuff with focus. He posted the set on Rune Fencer, so he probably did 3x Flabra Rayke to further lower the resistance. If he did all of those things, I’m not surprised if he could land it.
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By Asura.Bippin 2022-06-10 14:18:44  
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
3x Flabra Rayke to further lower the resistance
Sorry I should have been clear I do normally do this on RUN.

Edit: But I think I have landed it on SAM without it before.Ageha does get a MACC buff with TP

I don't have any screenshots off hand to show sorry.


Fenrir.Melphina said: »
Simply using armor break on Arrebati is one thing
Kinda laughing at this tbh
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By SimonSes 2022-06-10 14:26:51  
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
I suppose you could go all out and use macc food like oden or stewpot and ask the Bard to use a SV Tro wind Threnody II. Prebuff with focus. He posted the set on Rune Fencer, so he probably did 3x Flabra Rayke to further lower the resistance. If he did all of those things, I’m not surprised if he could land it.

Exactly. If you debuff it to the ground including rayke, then you probably have a fair chance to do it. It's not as simple as posting equip and saying you can tho...
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By Asura.Neviskio 2022-06-20 09:14:36  
Been looking at clearing some confusion on the wiki empyrean pages, I just wanted to confirm, the sneak attack +25 that changes the dex modifier to 1.25 only works if the empy hands are equipped during the SA augmented weaponskill and not on ja activation, right? (and it's generally not worth bothering using them for that reason?)
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By Asura.Jyubeii 2022-06-20 09:25:16  
correct, hopefully +2/3 changes this
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By Asura.Neviskio 2022-06-20 09:33:15  
Asura.Jyubeii said: »
correct, hopefully +2/3 changes this
Thanks, also should've asked but now realized, pillager's armlets I reckon is the same effect but for agi and trick attack right? I edited the bgwiki pages but now second guessing myself, if it is not the same I'll correct it <.<
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By Nariont 2022-06-20 09:35:35  
It's the same, both have to be worn when damage is applied
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By Asura.Skyekitty 2022-06-20 09:42:40  
BG Wiki also shows the BIS evisceration build uses tp earring, which is counter-intuitive to the Tauret which would want less tp. If anyone can edit this or explain why that would still be useful, that would be awesome. :D
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By Asura.Bippin 2022-06-20 09:54:45  
Do you mean moonshade earring?

Also Tauret's Crit rate bonus based on TP is not active during WSs
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By Asura.Skyekitty 2022-06-20 10:33:09  
oh wow, totally thought it was tied to the WS, thank you Bippin!
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By Asura.Bootus 2022-06-23 08:12:05  
Working on my Herculean set for AE. What stones are most efficient for getting high magic attack bonus & WSD? Obviously Fern is better for WSD, but Pellucid is going to make MAB easier and is much, much cheaper.
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By Asura.Jyubeii 2022-06-23 08:21:40  
save yourself the headache and shoot for the nyame set, even unauged. will be close to perfect herc with much less effort.
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By Trillium 2022-06-25 01:05:51  
Asura.Jyubeii said: »
save yourself the headache and shoot for the nyame set, even unauged. will be close to perfect herc with much less effort.

Pretty much this. Not to mention the Evasion and DT to go along with it.
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By Asura.Jyubeii 2022-07-06 09:33:33  
new skulker's vest +2 stats translated from the dev tracker thread

Skulker's Vest +2 (THF)
DEF:151 HP+83 STR+35 DEX+46 VIT+29 AGI+43 INT+26 MND+26 CHR+26 Accuracy+54 Attack+54 Magic Accuracy+54 Evasion+95 Magic Evasion+109 "Magic Def. Bonus"+9 Dagger skill +33 Haste+6% Augments "Conspirator" Weapon Skill Damage+8% Set: Augments "Triple Attack"

same dex as plunderer's +3 with roughly 80acc/atk considering the dagger skill, and 8 wsd to boot. this piece is a clear winner for rudra's unstacked, not sure about stacked
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By Fenrir.Melphina 2022-07-06 09:41:05  
R20-25 nyame still beats it. But there is a good chance the reforged +3 variant will surpass nyame. I get the feeling most of the +2's will be borderline with some existing pieces but the +3's are going to be really interesting when they finally come out. It's great for an accuracy to piece too, so it's more than just rudra's if that ever matters in the future.
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By Asura.Jyubeii 2022-07-06 09:42:51  
you sure? nyame has half the dex
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By Fenrir.Melphina 2022-07-06 09:51:43  
And at rank 25 it has 4 more WSD. Even with diminishing returns that's enough to put it ahead. The +3 piece will probably beat current nyame though.
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By SimonSes 2022-07-06 11:30:33  
Fenrir.Melphina said: »
And at rank 25 it has 4 more WSD. Even with diminishing returns that's enough to put it ahead. The +3 piece will probably beat current nyame though.

What? 4% wsd for sure won't beat 22dex, not to mention ~50acc and 27 attack.
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By Asura.Bippin 2022-07-06 11:32:16  
Fenrir.Melphina said: »
Even with diminishing returns that's enough to put it ahead
For what are you talking?
new body will beat Nyame for Rudra and Mandalic
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By SimonSes 2022-07-06 12:04:33  
Just checked in sheet to be sure. It's still much better to use Gleti's at attack cap, but between Nyame R25 and Skulker+2, Skulker wins comfortably for Rudra and still easily for Mandalic too.
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By Fenrir.Melphina 2022-07-06 20:41:22  
Yup, rescinded earlier comment. I'm not sure what I was thinking this morning. Skulker's vest +2 is definitely better than nyame for rudras. I had forgotten how much of a difference in dex there was between the two pieces.
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By Hopalong 2022-07-06 21:15:12  
Nice, score 1 thief for empy gears inc!
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