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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2018-06-01 08:12:54  
What else are you TPing in?
Do you have the JP Gift @550 that gives you 5% Dual Wield?
Do you have capped magic haste?

Are you meleeing in the Kirin DW belt or Adhemar Body +1 with capped haste? If so, that DW on floral isn't doing anything except lowering your TP/hit.

I don't think a lot of people do Herc hands because Adhemar hands have acc/TA/STP on them. Enough to beat an all but perfect Herc augment.
 
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By Asura.Lanun 2018-06-01 08:47:52  
Does anyone have a current Dream Tier tp set for Vajra assuming AM3 is up? Offhanding Aeneas or capped Taming Sari.
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2018-06-01 08:56:27  
Asura.Lanun said: »
Does anyone have a current Dream Tier tp set for Vajra assuming AM3 is up? Offhanding Aeneas or capped Taming Sari.

ask that dude you brought all that gil from

or look at the first page -
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2018-06-01 08:58:20  
@99 with no JP gift and capped haste you need 11% to cap.
@99 with haste 1 only you need ~67 DW to cap (including 25% from traits).

So 42 in gear if you just have haste 1 to cap.

Can't you at least get haste 2 if you use KoH/Koru-moru/Arciela II though? That would knock the requirement down to 31% DW needed.

Regardless, yeah, you're going to want to use a lot of dual wield gear without capped magic haste.

I think 31% is possible without uber gear like Kirin Belt or +1 adhemar.
adhemar jacket
floral gauntlets
patentia sash
suppanomimi
shijo Path D
eabani earring
Haverton ring

one of either:
adhemar jacket +1 instead of Adhemar Jacket
reiki yotai instead of Patentia Sash

and you can drop one of the other items in the list up there and still cap with haste 2.

You end up sacrificing a lot for capped attack delay though.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-06-01 08:59:11  
Asura.Lanun said: »
Does anyone have a current Dream Tier tp set for Vajra assuming AM3 is up? Offhanding Aeneas or capped Taming Sari.

Dream tier TP set would be Aeneas mainhand.
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By Asura.Lanun 2018-06-01 09:08:25  
Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »
Asura.Lanun said: »
Does anyone have a current Dream Tier tp set for Vajra assuming AM3 is up? Offhanding Aeneas or capped Taming Sari.

Dream tier TP set would be Aeneas mainhand.

Want to believe that Vajra has a good use for Omen bosses when I can ride SATA timers with AM3 up. Outside of that it is a bit underwhelming. But essentially the TP set should be similar to when I have Aeneas in mainhand?
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By Photographer 2018-06-01 09:11:55  
Bismarck.Nickeny said: »
Asura.Lanun said: »
Does anyone have a current Dream Tier tp set for Vajra assuming AM3 is up? Offhanding Aeneas or capped Taming Sari.

ask that dude you brought all that gil from

or look at the first page -
It's called mercing buddy, welcome to Asura.
And first page is as useless as your comment.
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2018-06-01 09:18:38  
Righhhttttt

Sure buddy... we believe yah ^_~
 
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2018-06-01 10:17:12  
Should be noted then that this is what you're looking at for capping attack speed.
no haste or haste samba 49 DW
/rdm Haste 42 DW
/dnc Haste Samba 47 DW
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-06-01 13:04:33  
I told you already what you needed to know in the other thread...
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By Nekseus 2018-06-01 13:39:05  
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With the amount of TA+ gear now in the standard set +11% damage on second and third hits of a Triple have to be better than 1% more triple attack.

Simply having and updated sheet would show that.

I would update the sheet, but I'm not going to pay for 365 just for that, can't find one I can steal, and it will not open in libreoffice or any other excel clone anymore.

Would you send me a link to the spread sheet?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-06-01 13:39:51  
https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/51196/currently-maintained-dps-spreadsheets/
 
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By Foxfire 2018-06-01 14:32:48  
The spreadsheets open up fine for me on GDrive, fwiw.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-06-01 14:36:19  
Yeah i don't have google drive, but I got it to work with my 20 year old college account on excel online lol.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-06-01 15:44:02  
Asura.Lanun said: »
Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »
Asura.Lanun said: »
Does anyone have a current Dream Tier tp set for Vajra assuming AM3 is up? Offhanding Aeneas or capped Taming Sari.

Dream tier TP set would be Aeneas mainhand.

Want to believe that Vajra has a good use for Omen bosses when I can ride SATA timers with AM3 up. Outside of that it is a bit underwhelming. But essentially the TP set should be similar to when I have Aeneas in mainhand?

Vajra's place is on Erynis, when you don't melee it.
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By Nekseus 2018-06-01 21:24:12  
Thank Eiyl. I saw that thread was locked and just assumed it got flamed or something and never looked at it. lol
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By Nekseus 2018-06-02 11:08:10  
FTR the THF spreadsheet opened up fine for me on Google Sheets. I believe it's free. It's an app on Chrome Web Browser along with Docs and Drive. There's a free version of Google Drive w/ 10gb limit. If I'm wrong about sheets then well all I have is a 100gb Drive sub for $3 a month.
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By aisukage 2018-06-07 04:51:26  
Was discussing with a friend who wanted to make a Hybrid set for THF. How solid is this set i suggested and any improvements i could make?

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Wasn't sure on earrings and weather not dedition earring would be a better choise over the 2 here.

Also to note i suggested -10 PDT on cape
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By Asura.Umopepisdn 2018-06-07 06:16:31  
aisukage said: »
Was discussing with a friend who wanted to make a Hybrid set for THF. How solid is this set i suggested and any improvements i could make?

ItemSet 359386

Wasn't sure on earrings and weather not dedition earring would be a better choise over the 2 here.

Also to note i suggested -10 PDT on cape

Moonlight Rings.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2018-06-07 08:11:34  
Agreed. I'd probably also recommend -5% DT on the cape. With a moonlight ring you'd still be about 7 MDT below capped MDT even with Shell V. Magic damage is much more dangerous to you than physical.
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By Marootsoobootsu 2018-06-07 09:51:41  
Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: »
Agreed. I'd probably also recommend -5% DT on the cape. With a moonlight ring you'd still be about 7 MDT below capped MDT even with Shell V. Magic damage is much more dangerous to you than physical.

Shell V's 24%
D. Ring 10
Loricate +1 6%
Moonlight Ring's 5%
Adhemar head's 4%

That puts them at 49% magic reduction; I'd go with the physical reduction. If you're that worried about 1%, put on an earring or Staunch Tathlum.

Edit: Or DT -5% cape with 2 Moonlight Rings.
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By Siren.Kyte 2018-06-07 09:58:29  
Adhemar is PDT.
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By Marootsoobootsu 2018-06-07 10:13:19  
Siren.Kyte said: »
Adhemar is PDT.

Oh yeah, well. Hedgehogs roll into balls by smooshing in their noses.
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By aisukage 2018-06-07 16:40:54  
after a few suggestions i updated it to this.
ItemSet 359386
A very good point that the Meg legs had less Meva on it so i switched to Mumu which is also DT instead of PDT to help cap the MDT so you could go with PDT on cape.

Using Moonbeam over Moonlight cause i don't think my friend wants to splash out on that much n the HQ ring until he gets other items first.

He also has Herc feet with 15STR, 38Acc 20ish atk and 3%TA which would give an extra 2PDT also without losing too much DPS i don't think.

so with this set for him i'm looking at 37PDT (39 with herc feet) and the 50MDT Cap (51 overall).
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By Shiva.Phioness 2018-06-07 18:01:39  
As a thief who utilizes many pieces for a variety of kills based on content difficulty I suggest you go /DNC sub (ease of curewaltz / haste samba / and an Erase like WALTZ are nice (no mp required)

Weapon suggestion for offhand is the Jugo Kukri +1. This will give you lowest delay on content when your just running through easy mobs as quickly as possible and don't need a high dmg offhand dagger. This dagger allows for greater TP gains when you don't have trusts to cap out haste period.

Also if you don't have the Jute Boots +1 (18% movement Speed) get them , as it will help out on the runs switching between kill areas.

Rest of gear mentioned above are great recommendations.
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By Foxfire 2018-06-07 21:01:20  
Out of genuine curiosity - what does that post have to do with any of the previous posts?
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