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By geigei 2018-03-21 10:03:25  
@Mrkillface are you att capped in that scenario?
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-03-21 10:10:26  
Those are pretty much certainly attack capped party buffed numbers on a high level target.

Or a super low target.

The parameters kind of matter... Assuming when uncapped attack they will be even better.
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2018-03-21 10:10:50  
Hmmm interesting

Guess ill make them and rework another herc feet for unstack eh...
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By geigei 2018-03-21 10:12:03  
I'm getting 47105 lustratiox2 vs 46829 relic/lustratio.
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By Cerberus.Mrkillface 2018-03-21 10:15:58  
Yeah, I just tried adding every attack buff and lowering target def. and the differences between the sets are basically the same.
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By geigei 2018-03-21 10:17:32  
If they come for free or close i can see them being good in low att situations, not going to happen for me.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-03-21 10:23:32  
Sounds to me like they win easy with trust/solo and can/may win/break even when buffed.

Problem being the original qualifier; retardediculous cost
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By Cerberus.Mrkillface 2018-03-21 10:23:37  
On a related note, the relic body seems like an improvement over meghanda +2 too (even ignoring whatever the TA +10 does).

and yeah... I'm in no rush to buy any of this.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-03-21 10:33:04  
nm thats TRICK attack 10, not triple attack... we need different names for ta and ta lol

yeah, the vest looks better (not by much)

But, they're gonna +3 ambuscade, *shrug* at this point why wouldn't they.
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2018-03-21 13:25:04  
Im 2/5 0/3 on pants

Ill wait as well...
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By Boshi 2018-03-21 13:35:28  
you can also get +5% triple attack while behind enemy with the augment on the body.
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By geigei 2018-03-21 14:28:08  
Boshi said: »
you can also get +5% triple attack while behind enemy with the augment on the body.
Nice catch!
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By Sylph.Oraen 2018-03-21 14:30:19  
Didn't even think about the body's augment, good call. Still gonna fall behind AF +3 for TP, but Relic is likely best for Evis.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2018-03-21 15:01:37  
I just got Aeneas, so I was wondering if anyone had a cool list of skillchain options? I've tried looking through old posts, but I don't think there's anywhere with a decent list of the possibilities. Also I'm kinda torn on my offhand choices at the moment, which would be Skinflayer or Taming Sari, but unsure which is better at this point. Cheers for any tips.
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By Foxfire 2018-03-21 15:04:35  
Cerberus.Kylos said: »
I just got Aeneas, so I was wondering if anyone had a cool list of skillchain options? I've tried looking through old posts, but I don't think there's anywhere with a decent list of the possibilities. Also I'm kinda torn on my offhand choices at the moment, which would be Skinflayer or Taming Sari, but unsure which is better at this point. Cheers for any tips.
Perfect sari for offhand if non-REMA, AFAIK.
What exactly do you mean by skillchain options? Solo?, with any particular setup?
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2018-03-21 15:09:18  
Foxfire said: »
Cerberus.Kylos said: »
I just got Aeneas, so I was wondering if anyone had a cool list of skillchain options? I've tried looking through old posts, but I don't think there's anywhere with a decent list of the possibilities. Also I'm kinda torn on my offhand choices at the moment, which would be Skinflayer or Taming Sari, but unsure which is better at this point. Cheers for any tips.
Perfect sari for offhand if non-REMA, AFAIK.
What exactly do you mean by skillchain options? Solo?, with any particular setup?

Yeah I'm not sure if my Taming has perfect augs, it has DMG+13 STR+8 DEX+9. My Skinflayer has DMG+18 STR+3 ACC+15 ATK+23 and Triple Attack +1.

And yes I meant solo options mainly, I'd like to try it out on certain things. I'm going to have to make an Exenterator set again too, not had one of those for a few years. If anyone's got an Exen set that would be awesome as well.
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By geigei 2018-03-21 15:21:35  
Sadly even with a good set exen still sucks, double darkness still rules if solo/trusts.

For radiance i think its rudra>mandalic>exen.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2018-03-21 15:24:11  
geigei said: »
Sadly even with a good set exen still sucks, double darkness still rules if solo/trusts.

For radiance i think its rudra>mandalic>exen.

So there's no reason to use Exen outside of certain skillchains? No point using aftermath? And what about Umbra?
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By Boshi 2018-03-21 15:30:36  
If you don’t have perfect sari shijo d and adjusting your dw is your best option
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By geigei 2018-03-21 15:36:57  
Cannot make exen part of umbra, you need to put am up and do usual darkness after.
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By Siren.Kyte 2018-03-21 15:42:23  
That's not true.
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By geigei 2018-03-21 15:47:02  
Evi>exen>evi>rudra> works?
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By Quendi210 2018-03-21 15:55:45  
geigei said: »
Evi>exen>evi>rudra> works?

Pretty sure standard solo Umbra is: Exen > Rudra > Evis > Rudra.
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By geigei 2018-03-21 16:05:07  
Thats corect.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2018-03-21 16:07:00  
Boshi said: »
If you don’t have perfect sari shijo d and adjusting your dw is your best option

I was afraid of that, now I'm going to have to get a perfect Sari or one of these lol. A perfect Sari has DMG+15 STR+10 DEX +10 TH+1 ?

Quendi210 said: »
geigei said: »
Evi>exen>evi>rudra> works?

Pretty sure standard solo Umbra is: Exen > Rudra > Evis > Rudra.

Thanks! Are there any others?
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By Foxfire 2018-03-21 16:48:56  
Cerberus.Kylos said: »
Boshi said: »
If you don’t have perfect sari shijo d and adjusting your dw is your best option

I was afraid of that, now I'm going to have to get a perfect Sari or one of these lol. A perfect Sari has DMG+15 STR+10 DEX +10 TH+1 ?

Quendi210 said: »
geigei said: »
Evi>exen>evi>rudra> works?

Pretty sure standard solo Umbra is: Exen > Rudra > Evis > Rudra.

Thanks! Are there any others?
honestly the sari you own is near perfect so you CAN use that; no need to get a shijo. if you get a better sari, then upgrade to the new sari, but keep the one you got for now

only other SC worth mentioning is the standard fare RS>RS = dark, but double darkness is still the best way to go (RS>Evi>RS), to my understanding

if you *must* make light, Exen>MandoStab or even SharkBite>MandoStab for solo light iirc
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-03-21 18:29:44  
Boshi said: »
you can also get +5% triple attack while behind enemy with the augment on the body.

And pull hate from meleeing in TA/Crit/Crit/Enmity+30 gear, lul.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-03-21 18:34:36  
As for THF skillchains, that's one of the greatest boons to THF, imo. We can do anything. Obviously not the strongest light options (Exen is best used if the enemy takes double light damage only, really) but we have Fusion, Fragmentation, Gravitation and Distortion options of decent to good strength. This means we can do 2-step, 3-step, 4-step, 5-step, etc. options depending on how much TP generation we have. And also means we can fit someone else in that line anywhere to keep it going as well.

If I'm doing Umbra, my go-to is Exen > Rudra > Evis > Rudra.

If I'm doing Radiance, my go-to is Exen > Rudra > Man > Exen

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By Asura.Eiryl 2018-04-04 02:46:51  
You guys ready to make 300 Ambuscade capes?

Regen, Tp-DT, HP/Meva, Turms+Parry, SIR, full resist, counter (cause counter on not-mnk is BROKEN AS ***)
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2018-04-04 03:01:45  
Asura.Eiryl said: »
You guys ready to make 300 Ambuscade capes?

SIR

Goddamnit don't *** tempt me.
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