Leviathan.Katriina said: »
Your set is looking good. I think Hetairoi may be ahead of Ilabrat though. Not absolutely sure on this one.
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Your set is looking good. I think Hetairoi may be ahead of Ilabrat though. Not absolutely sure on this one.
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silvanesti said: »
Does anyone have a waltz set I could have a look at?
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Luthiene said: »
Anyone got an Aeolian Edge, Evisceration, FC/Utsu and a Curing Waltz Set i can have a look at? Thanks.
Waltz
ItemSet 347016
This is the best possible Waltz set on thf atm.
Cape chr 30/mevaeva20/waltz10
BOTH herc pieces need a waltz11 fern aug for this set to reach exactly 50%.
Alternatives & slight downgrades ppl probably carry normally: mummu head,
enchanter's earring +1,
chaac belt
Because of non-ilvl head I personally sub in gold moogle belt to avoid some max hp drop.
Fast Cast
ItemSet 350961
herc fern magic fc+6, cape fc+10
if your Soa ring is Weatherspoon(+1) of course that is best
body: fc+5 (9 total) (if you have rdm or run you could just use a taeon body from phalanx)
belt can get a fc+1 aug, that's only belt option. Otherwise you can just use a ninurta's or a defensive belt.
Precast quick magic options: weatherspoon+1(soa) ring, lebeche ring, impatiens, veneficium ring
Precast flips for Utsusemi: Passion Jacket, Magora bead necklace
-Enif is fc8, if you want a ilvl alternative for midcast the best would be fc6 herc (you might already have these for ninja)
There's easier to get neck alternatives with 4fc like baetyl or voltsurge
note: (technically adhemar+1 body D path is fc10... but lol)
A.Edge
ItemSet 350960
Hachirin-no-obi for windday/wind weather.
Shiva+1 if different SOA ring.
novio earring at 3k tp, maybe ishvara? I can't get ishvara to win when I test it in-game.
Cape is int30/maccmdmg20/wsd10... however the typical thf dex30/wsd10 cape is a very strong option
Herc stuff is ideally (fern)wsd > matt > int > dex. Of these pieces head/feet/legs are extremely easy to make BIS, body and hands you need good augments because alternative options are solid.
There's more options for downgrades here here so I'll try to organize them a bit:
ammo: p.tathlum (yes seething+1 beats this)
neck: Sanctity
earring: so many matt downgrade ears to pick from
ring: i mean the sparks one isn't bad..
waist: if you can't get eschan: Salire belt (dirt cheap, & from easy nonilvl unity version of leaping lizzy)
Head: Highwing Helm (matt20 int18 dex22), Chimera Hairpin (wind.matt6)
Body: augSamnuha (matt35 macc38 int20 dex33), RawhideA (matt25 int32 dex45), baseSamnuha (matt20 macc23 int20 dex33), Lapidary Tunic (matt20 int23 dex32)
Hands: augLeyline (matt30 macc33 int12 dex35), PursuersB (matt20 int12 dex42), baseLeyline (matt15 macc18 int12 dex35), Nilas (matt15 int12 dex35)
Legs: Limbo (matt17 int30), Shneddick+1 (matt17 int28)
Feet: adhemar+1 (matt35 dex23+12 if a/b), adhemar nq (matt25 dex23+10 if a/b)
(Also I guess Taeon hands/legs are still strong options can get matt/macc15 or matt20 with wsd3... but that's such an incredible waste of time vs herc)
For head/feet base herc no augs will beat anything less than these besides a taeon aug
for the body parts I think a good way to look at is what what base herc pieces need to -match- the next best piece:
head: matt+10 dex+5 (super easy to beat, (unauged helm next best after ones I listed and taeon))
body: matt+35 macc+38 int-1 dex-1 (very hard to beat, you pretty much need to roll wsd with high matt/macc numbers)
hands: matt+30/macc+33 int-2 dex-4 (medium dificulty to beat)
legs: matt+17 int+1 (super easy to beat)
feet: matt+25 macc-10 dex+9 (easy to beat, unauged feet next best after ones I listed and taeon)
I end up just using gold moogle belt and odnowa earrings for the hp in waist/ear slots now.
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anyone have an updated gearswap with bind keys?
With a UC healer's Shellra 5 (25%?) what's the best MDT set THF can get now?
(without HQ buyables, please)
ItemSet 355003
Or some changing of Engulfers, moonbeam ring, flax sash, Yamarang and Loricate+1
Sigh, never realized how tough it would be to get that belt... I have literally never seen a waking the beast shout, ever.
(without HQ buyables, please)
ItemSet 355003
Or some changing of Engulfers, moonbeam ring, flax sash, Yamarang and Loricate+1
Sigh, never realized how tough it would be to get that belt... I have literally never seen a waking the beast shout, ever.
Carby's really not too bad. With shadows and a good MDT set, his moves don't hit hard at all, even on VD. Your biggest concern is trusts dying, but with the upcoming trust campaign, they should actually be able to survive more than a light breeze.
I did my runs on BLU, so I can't speak to the effectiveness of others, but I'd bet RUN would be fantastic. Worst comes to worst, grab a GEO friend and it'll be extremely easy.
I did my runs on BLU, so I can't speak to the effectiveness of others, but I'd bet RUN would be fantastic. Worst comes to worst, grab a GEO friend and it'll be extremely easy.
Is it one carby, or multiple carbies, or multiple avatars?
It's completely different than the original waking the beast?
And how strong is a UC trusts shellra5 (just so the question doesn't get missed from the previous post)
It's completely different than the original waking the beast?
And how strong is a UC trusts shellra5 (just so the question doesn't get missed from the previous post)
It's just the one Carby, no adds. Shadow maintenance is cake since he has no multi-hit moves, but he does have quite a few light AoEs, so keep the MDT toggle ready.
As to the Trust Shellra, I'm honestly not sure.
As to the Trust Shellra, I'm honestly not sure.
What do good evisceration and mercy stroke sets look like these days? Went back like 20 pages and couldn't find any. I may have just been blind. Lol
Something like that
ItemSet 355370
Replace Adhemar+1 with mummu+2 for an obtainable set.
I think mummu+2 would beat adhemar NQ since there is no set effect.
Cape with Crit Hit rate
ItemSet 355370
Replace Adhemar+1 with mummu+2 for an obtainable set.
I think mummu+2 would beat adhemar NQ since there is no set effect.
Cape with Crit Hit rate
Well, Epona's doesn't really do anything for Evis, being 6 hit with already so much TA.
Regal, ilabrat or Mummu are better used in that slot
Af+3 head, good aug herc hands/mummu+2 hands
(not going to spreadsheet it though.)
Regal, ilabrat or Mummu are better used in that slot
Af+3 head, good aug herc hands/mummu+2 hands
(not going to spreadsheet it though.)
Note on previous topic above:
Don't forget shadow ring is an option. And if you're at low haste floral hands have some mdt on them.
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ItemSet 355374
@3k tp ear2 mache+1>mache>brutal
-Adhemar+1 head > AF+3
-At capped attack AF+3 body wins
-You need pretty much -perfect- augs on herc (dex15 critD4 acc/att) to beat abnoba body
-I'm not sure if with set bonus you can actually beat +1 adhemar hands
-Downgrade for legs would be AF+3 next best
-Downgrade for thf (barely) is good herc critD feet
next best hand/ring combo would be mummu+2 hands / mummu ring for regal
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ItemSet 355376
legs herc str/wsd, downgrade samnuha
If attack capped belt -> metalsinger, ring shuk->ifrit+1
edit: for -unstacked- head LustratioA might actually win I'd need to plug it in. (would be str+17 da+3 for -4wsd).
Stacked:
ammo: Yetshila+1
body: Meghanda+2
legs: AF+3
feet: herc str/wsd (mayybe I have to double check, these might still win especially for SAonly)
above Adhemar all B, Lust body A, Lust legs B, Lust feet D
Don't forget shadow ring is an option. And if you're at low haste floral hands have some mdt on them.
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ItemSet 355374
@3k tp ear2 mache+1>mache>brutal
-Adhemar+1 head > AF+3
-At capped attack AF+3 body wins
-You need pretty much -perfect- augs on herc (dex15 critD4 acc/att) to beat abnoba body
-I'm not sure if with set bonus you can actually beat +1 adhemar hands
-Downgrade for legs would be AF+3 next best
-Downgrade for thf (barely) is good herc critD feet
next best hand/ring combo would be mummu+2 hands / mummu ring for regal
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ItemSet 355376
legs herc str/wsd, downgrade samnuha
If attack capped belt -> metalsinger, ring shuk->ifrit+1
edit: for -unstacked- head LustratioA might actually win I'd need to plug it in. (would be str+17 da+3 for -4wsd).
Stacked:
ammo: Yetshila+1
body: Meghanda+2
legs: AF+3
feet: herc str/wsd (mayybe I have to double check, these might still win especially for SAonly)
above Adhemar all B, Lust body A, Lust legs B, Lust feet D
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Awesome. Thanks guys.
Curious as to why people are using Empy head 119 over adhemar +1 bonnet.
High acc set, or too cheap to buy HQ adhemar(or it's unavailable on their server)
I don't think anyone does that
No, they do, I see it all the time lol.
It's not for a good reason though.
Remember; people don't always do smart things, if you see someone doing it, there isn't always a good reason.
(there is someone on asura ((more than one but this one specifically)) that think's he's /very/ good, and tps in emp 119 head.)
It's not for a good reason though.
Remember; people don't always do smart things, if you see someone doing it, there isn't always a good reason.
(there is someone on asura ((more than one but this one specifically)) that think's he's /very/ good, and tps in emp 119 head.)
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It was discussed a while ago that the empy hat beat damp tam for max acc sets, despite being a couple acc short.
(since then AF+3hat/setbonus hat came out also)
the set posted at the top of this page ppl just didn't bother responding to because they're sick of giving the same answers to people that don't want to take a few minutes to look thru this forum.
Basically aside from obvious:
ammo:
-Ginsen / Yamarang same stp: so att10 vs acc10 & defensive stats
-yetshila+1 could win depending and sam roll level.
neck: there are sooo many various builds of acc/stp, could argue:
Iskur: 0acc/att STP+8
Anu: attack+20 STP+7
Erudit: acc+10 STP+6
Combatant's: acc+13.5 att+15 STP+4
ear2:
Dedition vs. Cessance vs. Telos all depend on total gear / acc
ring1:
Hetaroi (sam roll - also underestimated on spreadsheet)
Petrov (high att no sam roll)
Illabrat (low att no sam roll)
[feet: *whispers relic+3* *runs away before ppl send hate mail*]
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with Job Points capped there are several ways to approach the need for 6DW:
1. ShijoD: DW5 (very good option if you don't have offhand Twashtar, this dagger performs much better than people realize).
2. Adhemar Jacket +1: DW6 w/ ear2 tel/ces/ded, belt windbuffet+1, cape ambSTP10
3. Kirin Belt: DW7 w/ ear2 tel/ces/ded, body af3, cape ambSTP10
4. Supponami: DW5 ear2 w/ body af3, belt windbuffet+1, cape ambSTP10
5. amb cape DW+6 (not maxed) aug w/ ear2 tel/ces/ded, body af3, belt windbuffet+1
6. Canny Cape JSE: DW5 w/ ear2 tel/ces/ded, body af3, belt windbuffet+1 [note canny also has t2 and can get critD3)
~~These DW options vs each other heavily rely on your acc/att needs also
-kirin belt is an acc options,
-adhemar body provides a huuuuge boost in attack if you're short,
-if you're capped in both I actually think perfect canny technically wins out, how practical is this tho we're so used to running around with dex20~30/acc20~30/att capes for everything now.
(since then AF+3hat/setbonus hat came out also)
the set posted at the top of this page ppl just didn't bother responding to because they're sick of giving the same answers to people that don't want to take a few minutes to look thru this forum.
Basically aside from obvious:
ammo:
-Ginsen / Yamarang same stp: so att10 vs acc10 & defensive stats
-yetshila+1 could win depending and sam roll level.
neck: there are sooo many various builds of acc/stp, could argue:
Iskur: 0acc/att STP+8
Anu: attack+20 STP+7
Erudit: acc+10 STP+6
Combatant's: acc+13.5 att+15 STP+4
ear2:
Dedition vs. Cessance vs. Telos all depend on total gear / acc
ring1:
Hetaroi (sam roll - also underestimated on spreadsheet)
Petrov (high att no sam roll)
Illabrat (low att no sam roll)
[feet: *whispers relic+3* *runs away before ppl send hate mail*]
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with Job Points capped there are several ways to approach the need for 6DW:
1. ShijoD: DW5 (very good option if you don't have offhand Twashtar, this dagger performs much better than people realize).
2. Adhemar Jacket +1: DW6 w/ ear2 tel/ces/ded, belt windbuffet+1, cape ambSTP10
3. Kirin Belt: DW7 w/ ear2 tel/ces/ded, body af3, cape ambSTP10
4. Supponami: DW5 ear2 w/ body af3, belt windbuffet+1, cape ambSTP10
5. amb cape DW+6 (not maxed) aug w/ ear2 tel/ces/ded, body af3, belt windbuffet+1
6. Canny Cape JSE: DW5 w/ ear2 tel/ces/ded, body af3, belt windbuffet+1 [note canny also has t2 and can get critD3)
~~These DW options vs each other heavily rely on your acc/att needs also
-kirin belt is an acc options,
-adhemar body provides a huuuuge boost in attack if you're short,
-if you're capped in both I actually think perfect canny technically wins out, how practical is this tho we're so used to running around with dex20~30/acc20~30/att capes for everything now.
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People need to relax with the "check through the thread!" line. This is a terrible format for reference, and people are going to ask the same questions over and over. I mean honestly, what else is keeping any of these job guides alive? The brief, semi-annual min-maxing discussion resulting from new armor releases?
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Current sets should be at the top of every page, that would be a big improvement.
Good luck getting that to happen, or anyone to care enough to do it more than once or twice
Good luck getting that to happen, or anyone to care enough to do it more than once or twice
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Leviathan.Kaparu said: »
People need to relax with the "check through the thread!" line. This is a terrible format for reference, and people are going to ask the same questions over and over. I mean honestly, what else is keeping any of these job guides alive? The brief, semi-annual min-maxing discussion resulting from new armor releases?
"Check through the thread!" isn't really that unreasonable considering how often (not that often) sets change in a game like XI. All the info is already here, and probably in the last 5~10 pages, which takes no time to read.
My question is why anyone cares. These repetitive questions are why the guides still circulate
And for the umpteenth time: nobody is required to respond
And for the umpteenth time: nobody is required to respond
Does anyone care? Maybe references to info in previous parts of a thread are to help others see specifics, or more in-depth explanations of covered topics.
Asura.Eiryl said: »
No, they do, I see it all the time lol.
It's not for a good reason though.
Remember; people don't always do smart things, if you see someone doing it, there isn't always a good reason.
(there is someone on asura ((more than one but this one specifically)) that think's he's /very/ good, and tps in emp 119 head.)
It's not for a good reason though.
Remember; people don't always do smart things, if you see someone doing it, there isn't always a good reason.
(there is someone on asura ((more than one but this one specifically)) that think's he's /very/ good, and tps in emp 119 head.)
I TP in 119 emp head because I'm upgrading other jobs, and doing multiple crafting shields, and the increase between bonnet +1 and Empy 119 isn't big enough for the cost for me(yet). But it's definitely an upgrade if I don't need the Acc.
As far as DW... there's also the Haverton Ring/+1. I find giving up the 2nd ring is a far less cost given up than the others, and while I kind of miss the WSD ring, I've parsed better with Haverton.
Also: While I haven't shelled out for them yet, I'm a pretty big believer that Relic +3 feet should be best in slot (outside of top-end DM), and I have some pretty darned good Hercs. Losing 1 TA, when I'm already over 50%, but bumping my white damage by 5%~ would be significant. THF white damage doesn't get enough credit.
Asura.Eiryl said: »
No, they do, I see it all the time lol.
It's not for a good reason though.
Remember; people don't always do smart things, if you see someone doing it, there isn't always a good reason.
(there is someone on asura ((more than one but this one specifically)) that think's he's /very/ good, and tps in emp 119 head.)
It's not for a good reason though.
Remember; people don't always do smart things, if you see someone doing it, there isn't always a good reason.
(there is someone on asura ((more than one but this one specifically)) that think's he's /very/ good, and tps in emp 119 head.)
Why are you calling out my throwtogether THF TP set? I don't have a capped tam nor adhemar+1 alright? it's my 8th job to play that I just happen to have an aeonic on, but give me a break buddy!!!! I'm trying here!
Nq bonnet was perfectly fine a month ago.
Nothing’s changed there.
Nothing’s changed there.
I mean at the very top of this page 163, theres a set that says "BIS MASTER THF" with empy 119 head, and the comment below says "this set looks good". But I can make that adjustment since its an easy one on my THF.
Marootsoobootsu said: »
Also: While I haven't shelled out for them yet, I'm a pretty big believer that Relic +3 feet should be best in slot (outside of top-end DM), and I have some pretty darned good Hercs. Losing 1 TA, when I'm already over 50%, but bumping my white damage by 5%~ would be significant. THF white damage doesn't get enough credit.
I agree with you on this piece. The way I like to look at gear these days is to compare them to base herc and think as if it was an augment off that vs. base herc:
STR+6, DEX+13(which is also 9.75acc), Accuracy+26, Attack+51, TA+3%, TAdmg+11
def+13 hp+24 vit+12 agi+4 mnd+11 chr+17 macc+26 Evasion+12 Meva+14 mdef+2
(lose pdt-2 and subtleblow6)
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