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By Leviathan.Syagin 2015-03-26 07:21:45  
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R.I.P. THF DD, I guess it's time for everyone to bandwagon something good now.

THF till the day this bad boy shuts down relivant DD or not.
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By Cerberus.Warviper 2015-03-26 07:24:18  
So if you SATA rudras now after this update:
should you use the Trick Attack Pilagers Armlet +1 or the new Skulkers Armlets ??

Pillagers Armlets +1 are only +16 TA but also has crit hit dmg +2 on it.
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By Odin.Sheelay 2015-03-26 07:27:43  
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Skulker's Bonnet +1" DEF:100 HP+41 STR+20 DEX+33 VIT+19 AGI+23 INT+18 MND+18 CHR+18 Accuracy+32 Evasion+49 Magic Evasion+59 "Magic Def. Bonus "+3 Haste+8% "Triple Attack "+4% "Accomplice "+15% "Collaborator "+15% Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulker's Vest +1" DEF:131 HP+63 STR+25 DEX+41 VIT+24 AGI+28 INT+21 MND+21 CHR+21 Evasion+55 Magic Evasion+69 "Magic Def. Bonus "+6 Haste+6% Dagger skill +28 Augments "Conspirator " Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulk. Armlets +1" DEF:91 HP+27 STR+14 DEX+40 VIT+29 AGI+7 INT+12 MND+30 CHR+17 Accuracy+22 Attack+25 Evasion+36 Magic Evasion+43 "Magic Def. Bonus "+2 Haste+5% "Sneak Attack "+25 Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulk. Culottes +1" DEF:112 HP+50 STR+29 DEX+7 VIT+16 AGI+20 INT+30 MND+17 CHR+11 Evasion+47 Magic Evasion+75 "Magic Def. Bonus "+5 Haste+6% "Despoil "+9 Critical hit rate +5% Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulk. Poulaines +1" DEF:73 HP+15 STR+12 DEX+24 VIT+12 AGI+44 MND+12 CHR+30 Evasion+107 Magic Evasion+75 "Magic Def. Bonus "+5 Haste+4% "Treasure Hunter "+3 "Despoil " effect +6 Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""


Let's see here.

Head is ok. Higher base stats, much more acc but no atk.
Body and hands is iffy. Much higher stats/acc/atk, but no TA or DW.
Legs are meh
Feet are TH

The set bonus might make some pieces worth making still. Highly disappointed in the legs though.
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By Leviathan.Syagin 2015-03-26 07:32:58  
Odin.Sheelay said: »
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Skulker's Bonnet +1" DEF:100 HP+41 STR+20 DEX+33 VIT+19 AGI+23 INT+18 MND+18 CHR+18 Accuracy+32 Evasion+49 Magic Evasion+59 "Magic Def. Bonus "+3 Haste+8% "Triple Attack "+4% "Accomplice "+15% "Collaborator "+15% Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulker's Vest +1" DEF:131 HP+63 STR+25 DEX+41 VIT+24 AGI+28 INT+21 MND+21 CHR+21 Evasion+55 Magic Evasion+69 "Magic Def. Bonus "+6 Haste+6% Dagger skill +28 Augments "Conspirator " Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulk. Armlets +1" DEF:91 HP+27 STR+14 DEX+40 VIT+29 AGI+7 INT+12 MND+30 CHR+17 Accuracy+22 Attack+25 Evasion+36 Magic Evasion+43 "Magic Def. Bonus "+2 Haste+5% "Sneak Attack "+25 Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulk. Culottes +1" DEF:112 HP+50 STR+29 DEX+7 VIT+16 AGI+20 INT+30 MND+17 CHR+11 Evasion+47 Magic Evasion+75 "Magic Def. Bonus "+5 Haste+6% "Despoil "+9 Critical hit rate +5% Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulk. Poulaines +1" DEF:73 HP+15 STR+12 DEX+24 VIT+12 AGI+44 MND+12 CHR+30 Evasion+107 Magic Evasion+75 "Magic Def. Bonus "+5 Haste+4% "Treasure Hunter "+3 "Despoil " effect +6 Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""


Let's see here.

Head is ok. Higher base stats, much more acc but no atk.
Body and hands is iffy. Much higher stats/acc/atk, but no TA or DW.
Legs are meh
Feet are TH

The set bonus might make some pieces worth making still. Highly disappointed in the legs though.

Would be nice to steal 1000 tp at a time with the HQ legs equipped when using despoil.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget 2015-03-26 07:36:05  
TH3 on feet seems like overkill... you are still going to need Relic hands will to cap out most efficiently even with 119.
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By Asura.Taidis 2015-03-26 07:43:56  
Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget said: »
TH3 on feet seems like overkill... Relic hands will still be the best way to cap out even with 119.
That's the thing, if you want to cap out you still need to use both the hands and the feet unless you're using a TH knife or the TH ring from Adoulin missions.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget 2015-03-26 07:44:56  
Asura.Taidis said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget said: »
TH3 on feet seems like overkill... Relic hands will still be the best way to cap out even with 119.
That's the thing, if you want to cap out you still need to use both the hands and the feet unless you're using a TH knife or the TH ring from Adoulin missions.


Yeah, but al you really need is TH2 for that. The 3rd TH pretty much goes to waste with the gear cap.
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By Asura.Taidis 2015-03-26 07:49:19  
Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget said: »
Asura.Taidis said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Wakmidget said: »
TH3 on feet seems like overkill... Relic hands will still be the best way to cap out even with 119.
That's the thing, if you want to cap out you still need to use both the hands and the feet unless you're using a TH knife or the TH ring from Adoulin missions.


Yeah, but al you really need is TH2 for that. The 3rd TH pretty much goes to waste with the gear cap.
Makes me wonder what they were aiming for unless it's to appease the ones who haven't wanted to pay for Plunderer's +1 and make it easier to hit TH8.
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By lhova 2015-03-26 08:30:12  
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Skulker's Bonnet" DEF:74 HP+19 STR+14 DEX+25 VIT+13 AGI+16 INT+12 MND+12 CHR+12 Accuracy+22 Evasion+23 Magic Evasion+40 "Magic Def. Bonus "+1 Haste+7% "Triple Attack "+3% "Accomplice "+12% "Collaborator "+12% Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""
Skulker's Bonnet +1" DEF:100 HP+41 STR+20 DEX+33 VIT+19 AGI+23 INT+18 MND+18 CHR+18 Accuracy+32 Evasion+49 Magic Evasion+59 "Magic Def. Bonus "+3 Haste+8% "Triple Attack "+4% "Accomplice "+15% "Collaborator "+15% Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulker's Vest" DEF:94 HP+30 STR+16 DEX+29 VIT+15 AGI+17 INT+13 MND+13 CHR+13 Evasion+25 Magic Evasion+47 "Magic Def. Bonus "+3 Haste+5% Dagger skill +18 Augments "Conspirator " Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""
Skulker's Vest +1" DEF:131 HP+63 STR+25 DEX+41 VIT+24 AGI+28 INT+21 MND+21 CHR+21 Evasion+55 Magic Evasion+69 "Magic Def. Bonus "+6 Haste+6% Dagger skill +28 Augments "Conspirator " Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulker's Armlets" DEF:64 HP+12 STR+10 DEX+26 VIT+18 AGI+4 INT+8 MND+19 CHR+11 Accuracy+12 Attack+16 Evasion+16 Magic Evasion+29 "Magic Def. Bonus "+1 Haste+4% "Sneak Attack "+20 Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""
Skulk. Armlets +1" DEF:91 HP+27 STR+14 DEX+40 VIT+29 AGI+7 INT+12 MND+30 CHR+17 Accuracy+22 Attack+25 Evasion+36 Magic Evasion+43 "Magic Def. Bonus "+2 Haste+5% "Sneak Attack "+25 Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulker's Culottes" DEF:77 HP+23 STR+18 DEX+7 VIT+10 AGI+12 INT+19 MND+11 CHR+7 Evasion+21 Magic Evasion+51 "Magic Def. Bonus "+2 Haste+6% "Despoil "+7 Critical hit rate +4% Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""
Skulk. Culottes +1" DEF:112 HP+50 STR+29 DEX+7 VIT+16 AGI+20 INT+30 MND+17 CHR+11 Evasion+47 Magic Evasion+75 "Magic Def. Bonus "+5 Haste+6% "Despoil "+9 Critical hit rate +5% Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulk. Poulaines" DEF:52 HP+7 STR+8 DEX+15 VIT+8 AGI+30 MND+8 CHR+19 Evasion+54 Magic Evasion+51 "Magic Def. Bonus "+2 Haste+4% "Treasure Hunter "+2 "Despoil " effect +5 Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""
Skulk. Poulaines +1" DEF:73 HP+15 STR+12 DEX+24 VIT+12 AGI+44 MND+12 CHR+30 Evasion+107 Magic Evasion+75 "Magic Def. Bonus "+5 Haste+4% "Treasure Hunter "+3 "Despoil " effect +6 Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""


Let's see here.

Head is ok. Higher base stats, much more acc but no atk.
Body and hands is iffy. Much higher stats/acc/atk, but no TA or DW.
Legs are meh
Feet are TH

All this time we've wanted and yearned for Emp 119 and this is what we get, an ok tp head and th feet. Back to Yorcia skirmish.... Screw you SE
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By Asura.Highwynn 2015-03-26 08:41:55  
What's wrong with the head?
Taeon chapeau can get max of +2TA and this has 4% as well as huge acc and 8 haste
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By Leviathan.Syagin 2015-03-26 08:45:37  
lhova said: »
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Skulker's Bonnet" DEF:74 HP+19 STR+14 DEX+25 VIT+13 AGI+16 INT+12 MND+12 CHR+12 Accuracy+22 Evasion+23 Magic Evasion+40 "Magic Def. Bonus "+1 Haste+7% "Triple Attack "+3% "Accomplice "+12% "Collaborator "+12% Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""
Skulker's Bonnet +1" DEF:100 HP+41 STR+20 DEX+33 VIT+19 AGI+23 INT+18 MND+18 CHR+18 Accuracy+32 Evasion+49 Magic Evasion+59 "Magic Def. Bonus "+3 Haste+8% "Triple Attack "+4% "Accomplice "+15% "Collaborator "+15% Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulker's Vest" DEF:94 HP+30 STR+16 DEX+29 VIT+15 AGI+17 INT+13 MND+13 CHR+13 Evasion+25 Magic Evasion+47 "Magic Def. Bonus "+3 Haste+5% Dagger skill +18 Augments "Conspirator " Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""
Skulker's Vest +1" DEF:131 HP+63 STR+25 DEX+41 VIT+24 AGI+28 INT+21 MND+21 CHR+21 Evasion+55 Magic Evasion+69 "Magic Def. Bonus "+6 Haste+6% Dagger skill +28 Augments "Conspirator " Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulker's Armlets" DEF:64 HP+12 STR+10 DEX+26 VIT+18 AGI+4 INT+8 MND+19 CHR+11 Accuracy+12 Attack+16 Evasion+16 Magic Evasion+29 "Magic Def. Bonus "+1 Haste+4% "Sneak Attack "+20 Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""
Skulk. Armlets +1" DEF:91 HP+27 STR+14 DEX+40 VIT+29 AGI+7 INT+12 MND+30 CHR+17 Accuracy+22 Attack+25 Evasion+36 Magic Evasion+43 "Magic Def. Bonus "+2 Haste+5% "Sneak Attack "+25 Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulker's Culottes" DEF:77 HP+23 STR+18 DEX+7 VIT+10 AGI+12 INT+19 MND+11 CHR+7 Evasion+21 Magic Evasion+51 "Magic Def. Bonus "+2 Haste+6% "Despoil "+7 Critical hit rate +4% Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""
Skulk. Culottes +1" DEF:112 HP+50 STR+29 DEX+7 VIT+16 AGI+20 INT+30 MND+17 CHR+11 Evasion+47 Magic Evasion+75 "Magic Def. Bonus "+5 Haste+6% "Despoil "+9 Critical hit rate +5% Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulk. Poulaines" DEF:52 HP+7 STR+8 DEX+15 VIT+8 AGI+30 MND+8 CHR+19 Evasion+54 Magic Evasion+51 "Magic Def. Bonus "+2 Haste+4% "Treasure Hunter "+2 "Despoil " effect +5 Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""
Skulk. Poulaines +1" DEF:73 HP+15 STR+12 DEX+24 VIT+12 AGI+44 MND+12 CHR+30 Evasion+107 Magic Evasion+75 "Magic Def. Bonus "+5 Haste+4% "Treasure Hunter "+3 "Despoil " effect +6 Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""


Let's see here.

Head is ok. Higher base stats, much more acc but no atk.
Body and hands is iffy. Much higher stats/acc/atk, but no TA or DW.
Legs are meh
Feet are TH

All this time we've wanted and yearned for Emp 119 and this is what we get, an ok tp head and th feet. Back to Yorcia skirmish.... Screw you SE

Actually SE are the ones saying "screw you motherfu**rs... take this garbage sh** and like it. We shutting you ungreatful SOBs down anyways.
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By lhova 2015-03-26 10:10:00  
Leviathan.Syagin said: »
lhova said: »
Bismarck.Ihina said: »
Skulker's Bonnet" DEF:74 HP+19 STR+14 DEX+25 VIT+13 AGI+16 INT+12 MND+12 CHR+12 Accuracy+22 Evasion+23 Magic Evasion+40 "Magic Def. Bonus "+1 Haste+7% "Triple Attack "+3% "Accomplice "+12% "Collaborator "+12% Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""
Skulker's Bonnet +1" DEF:100 HP+41 STR+20 DEX+33 VIT+19 AGI+23 INT+18 MND+18 CHR+18 Accuracy+32 Evasion+49 Magic Evasion+59 "Magic Def. Bonus "+3 Haste+8% "Triple Attack "+4% "Accomplice "+15% "Collaborator "+15% Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulker's Vest" DEF:94 HP+30 STR+16 DEX+29 VIT+15 AGI+17 INT+13 MND+13 CHR+13 Evasion+25 Magic Evasion+47 "Magic Def. Bonus "+3 Haste+5% Dagger skill +18 Augments "Conspirator " Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""
Skulker's Vest +1" DEF:131 HP+63 STR+25 DEX+41 VIT+24 AGI+28 INT+21 MND+21 CHR+21 Evasion+55 Magic Evasion+69 "Magic Def. Bonus "+6 Haste+6% Dagger skill +28 Augments "Conspirator " Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulker's Armlets" DEF:64 HP+12 STR+10 DEX+26 VIT+18 AGI+4 INT+8 MND+19 CHR+11 Accuracy+12 Attack+16 Evasion+16 Magic Evasion+29 "Magic Def. Bonus "+1 Haste+4% "Sneak Attack "+20 Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""
Skulk. Armlets +1" DEF:91 HP+27 STR+14 DEX+40 VIT+29 AGI+7 INT+12 MND+30 CHR+17 Accuracy+22 Attack+25 Evasion+36 Magic Evasion+43 "Magic Def. Bonus "+2 Haste+5% "Sneak Attack "+25 Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulker's Culottes" DEF:77 HP+23 STR+18 DEX+7 VIT+10 AGI+12 INT+19 MND+11 CHR+7 Evasion+21 Magic Evasion+51 "Magic Def. Bonus "+2 Haste+6% "Despoil "+7 Critical hit rate +4% Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""
Skulk. Culottes +1" DEF:112 HP+50 STR+29 DEX+7 VIT+16 AGI+20 INT+30 MND+17 CHR+11 Evasion+47 Magic Evasion+75 "Magic Def. Bonus "+5 Haste+6% "Despoil "+9 Critical hit rate +5% Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""

Skulk. Poulaines" DEF:52 HP+7 STR+8 DEX+15 VIT+8 AGI+30 MND+8 CHR+19 Evasion+54 Magic Evasion+51 "Magic Def. Bonus "+2 Haste+4% "Treasure Hunter "+2 "Despoil " effect +5 Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""
Skulk. Poulaines +1" DEF:73 HP+15 STR+12 DEX+24 VIT+12 AGI+44 MND+12 CHR+30 Evasion+107 Magic Evasion+75 "Magic Def. Bonus "+5 Haste+4% "Treasure Hunter "+3 "Despoil " effect +6 Set: Augments "Triple Attack ""


Let's see here.

Head is ok. Higher base stats, much more acc but no atk.
Body and hands is iffy. Much higher stats/acc/atk, but no TA or DW.
Legs are meh
Feet are TH

All this time we've wanted and yearned for Emp 119 and this is what we get, an ok tp head and th feet. Back to Yorcia skirmish.... Screw you SE

Actually SE are the ones saying "screw you motherfu**rs... take this garbage sh** and like it. We shutting you ungreatful SOBs down anyways.

True strike...
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By lhova 2015-03-26 10:13:30  
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What's wrong with the head?
Taeon chapeau can get max of +2TA and this has 4% as well as huge acc and 8 haste

The head is a great tp piece I get that, but then you make getting the items centered around killing abyssea NM's whose items aren't sellable and now you have a bottle neck of EVERYONE farming the same NM's. At least the other stuff you could buy via bazaar or ah.

Also does anyone have information on the 119 item process? My point is that none of this gear is jaw dropping and SE again just wants everyone fighting each other for mobs.
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By Ragnarok.Punisha 2015-03-26 11:20:28  
Thoughts on new dagger? Better than jugo+1?

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By lhova 2015-03-26 11:22:15  
Ragnarok.Punisha said: »
Thoughts on new dagger? Better than jugo+1?


Doesn't look to impressive.
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By Ragnarok.Punisha 2015-03-26 11:26:27  
I like the ACC
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By Asura.Fiv 2015-03-26 11:27:10  
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I like the ACC
It only has Dagger Skill +228, less accuracy then you think.
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By Pantafernando 2015-03-26 11:33:46  
This dagger is great for the high range of jobs that can use, but not for thf.

Even blm can use it. funy thing, meither cor or dnc can.
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By Ragnarok.Punisha 2015-03-26 11:35:56  
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Ragnarok.Punisha said: »
I like the ACC
It only has Dagger Skill +228, less accuracy then you think.

Eh, dagger skill is only added from your mainhand. right?
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By Shiva.Spathaian 2015-03-26 11:38:40  
Ragnarok.Punisha said: »
Asura.Fiv said: »
Ragnarok.Punisha said: »
I like the ACC
It only has Dagger Skill +228, less accuracy then you think.

Eh, dagger skill is only added from your mainhand. right?
Each weapon's skill is calculated for their individual attacks.
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By Asura.Fiv 2015-03-26 11:38:52  
Offhand dagger skill will affect your offhand accuracy.
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By Ulthakptah 2015-03-26 12:00:38  
You know for a set that augments triple attack Skulker's doesn't give much triple attack. Skulker's Bonnet +1 looks like best in slot for tp and rudra's though what with the TA +4% and +33 DEX
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By lhova 2015-03-26 12:05:12  
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You know for a set that augments triple attack Skulker's doesn't give much triple attack. Skulker's Bonnet +1 looks like best in slot for tp and rudra's though what with the TA +4% and +33 DEX

I would think Taeon with +10 Dex and +3% WSD would beat this head easily for RS, even though its gimp now...
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By Ulthakptah 2015-03-26 12:10:25  
lhova said: »
Ulthakptah said: »
You know for a set that augments triple attack Skulker's doesn't give much triple attack. Skulker's Bonnet +1 looks like best in slot for tp and rudra's though what with the TA +4% and +33 DEX

I would think Taeon with +10 Dex and +3% WSD would beat this head easily.
I'm sure if you could get +10 Dex and +3% WSD at the same time it would, but you can't, so Taeon with +10 Dex is 33 Dex total like the bonnet.
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By Valefor.Cowrevenge 2015-03-26 12:39:37  


I have Taeon Augments of +20 acc/atk +10dex and TA2.

Empy Head/Body look very interesting to me for TP gear.
I tried to calculate Str/Dex/skill and indicate them in this chart.

I it worth empy head for 2 more TA? I think I will stay with Taeon body, the minor acc gain doesn't look useful enough.


Its worth noting that I have mnk/blu for use in this Taeon set also.

I don't know what set to WS in.
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By lhova 2015-03-26 13:59:57  
Ulthakptah said: »
lhova said: »
Ulthakptah said: »
You know for a set that augments triple attack Skulker's doesn't give much triple attack. Skulker's Bonnet +1 looks like best in slot for tp and rudra's though what with the TA +4% and +33 DEX

I would think Taeon with +10 Dex and +3% WSD would beat this head easily.
I'm sure if you could get +10 Dex and +3% WSD at the same time it would, but you can't, so Taeon with +10 Dex is 33 Dex total like the bonnet.

I meant or.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-03-26 14:25:11  
You don't need a spreadsheet to know where high acc gear belongs in your set.
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By lhova 2015-03-26 15:43:51  
Noobish question, I know, but Dagger skill +28 is the equivalent of 28 Accuracy and Attack for dagger users, right?
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By Ulthakptah 2015-03-26 15:47:18  
lhova said: »
Noobish question, I know, but Dagger skill +28 is the equivalent of 28 Accuracy and Attack for dagger users, right?
when your skill is over 600 you only get 0.9 per skill so it's 25 acc, atk would be 28 though.
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By Siren.Kiyara 2015-03-27 05:04:13  
I dunno if this was asked before but I'm assuming the best potential damage combo is Mandau main and sub Vajra? Does the SA/TA +30% dmg bonus work when offhanding Vajra or is that strictly main hand only? If it works offhand, then that would be a devastating dmg boost when doing a fully stacked SATAWS at 300% with rudra's storm getting the +30% dmg modifier on both SA and TA plus the potential triple dmg proc from Mandau and combining with either AFLv119 gloves or Emp Armor Gloves 119. Has anyone tested this?
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