WHM Or SCH In A Duo / Dual Box Situation?

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WHM or SCH in a duo / dual box situation?
 Bahamut.Lianua
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By Bahamut.Lianua 2013-03-07 23:06:42  
I recently came back from a (long time) Hiatus, and decided to start up a second character to dual-box along with continuing my old main. Due to school and work and my crazy life schedule I have very sporatic play times and can't really commit to a static LS or endgame LS, so I came back with the intent of doing everything possible duo (with more as needed but only sparingly)...

So, seeing as the game has evolved so much since I left... would the better choice be for my second character be a WHM or SCH? Obviously with how easy it is to level now it wouldn't be hard to get both to 99 and have basic gear sets for both, but which should I invest my (limited) time into?

Main character mostly BST, THF, or RDM...

On a side note - looking for a fun active social LS on Bahamut!

Thanks!
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By Valefor.Lisamarie 2013-03-07 23:23:06  
I would personally go with Scholar.

Why? Currently, SCH offers a lot more support than WHM can. Enspell damage, and phalanx damage reduction come to mind. A Scholar does not need to cure as much with perpetuance paired with regen5.. Can also nuke pretty well if the target is evasive or high defense.

Plus Embrava. Embrava is fun.
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By Siren.Mcclane 2013-03-07 23:25:04  
WHM would be the better pure healer. And if you don't want to concern yourself keeping up so many buffs and whatnot, WHM is far easier to handle.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2013-03-07 23:30:14  
Considering it looks like you'll be in abyssea for awhile, WHM.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2013-03-07 23:36:26  
I prefer SCH over WHM in abyssea considering you can full-time embrava.
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By Sylph.Citrelautame 2013-03-07 23:47:20  
I have my mule with whm and sch both, I never use whm anywhere for a duo. Inside of abyssea sch is plenty strong in healing for 99% of mobs only time whm is handy is during pure blood tanking (dragua comes to mind, did him thf+whm because sch couldn't keep up heals) otherwise its basically always sch. Regen 5 is enough for all things in abyssea besides the high teir mobs, proc nukes are handy. Also as stated above, sch/rdm phalanx is only ~5 pts or so below a rdm's phalanx 2 depending on gear plus it lasts longer w/ stratagems, and enspells rock for dyna. To each their own but sch adds a lot more to the table than sch in most situations but also it is drasticly easier to make gear sets and dual box a whm
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By Valefor.Philemon 2013-03-07 23:52:04  
If all you are looking for is cure bombs, WHM is pretty idiot-proof. You should never be in any life or death situation that necessitates its curing powers though. SCH has many things to offer like full time phalanx, regen, and enspells. And yeah, you can full time embrava.
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By Latifah 2013-03-07 23:59:59  
scholar is fun, can heal, support. and nuke
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By Kingregg 2013-03-08 00:27:02  
Whm/sch sub since your new character cure vi will be like 700 at first
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By Leviathan.Draugo 2013-03-08 01:33:27  
brd/rdm and never look back.
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By Xenetex 2013-03-08 02:21:45  
Leviathan.Draugo said: »
brd/whm and never look back.
fixed.

edit:
hmm is brd/sch viable?
anyway with those main jobs i would take a bard/mage, you shouldnt need that much cure and bard has access to a lot of refresh.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2013-03-08 02:33:07  
brd/sch has stronger cure3 but lacks cure4, which is rather important when you have 3k+ hp.

brd/rdm has cure4, but no -na spells, which can be important depending on the mob you're fighting.

sch/--- can work, but you might struggle here and there if you find yourself in a really heavy cure-intense situation

whm/--- is pretty mindless, and will work, no matter what situation you find yourself in. Only downside is that you don't get extra buffs from being any of the other jobs. Upside is that you're allowed to not care what your sub is and go /blm for d2.
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By Lianua 2013-03-08 12:26:59  
I like the idea of BRD/mage actually... hmmm. Feel like that would be the most difficult dual box route though.
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By Valefor.Philemon 2013-03-08 12:38:38  
Remember that /SCH doesn't get haste. If you're going the BRD route, I don't see how you could go anything other than /WHM the vast majority of the time.
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By Leviathan.Andret 2013-03-08 12:49:28  
In a dual box situation you will want your 2nd character to be simple. The fewer the keys you need to press to perform a function the better. Because you have 2 characters to play, the more keys to need to press, the busier you will be.

Whm is best since you don't really have that many keys to press to do whm duties. They are also pretty good in situations with hate reset moves as Cure5/6 will generate minimal hate. You can also /blm and warp around. I find this utility extremely useful for trials and quests. You can also sub /rdm for simple refresh and convert. /Sch for when you need more AOE stuff.

Sch is 2nd best but you will have to press 1-2 extra keys here and there to cast a buffed up cure or buffs. They are really bad with hate reset moves as they will stack up a lot of hate with Cure3/4. However, in situations where you need minimal cure5/6 spam (like killing folder mobs) then they will probably work well for you. You are stuck with /rdm and you can't tele or warp with that. You can go with /whm or /blm but you generally will have to give up haste/tele (/blm) or warp (/whm).
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By Bahamut.Dannyl 2013-03-08 12:50:02  
Being that you just returned and you'll more than likely be all over aby. I would start off WHM -> BLM -> BRD or SCH
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By Asura.Aikchan 2013-03-08 12:58:58  
WHM if you going to solo many things in abyssea, SCH if need it for outside aby, like salvage, dynamis. but in the end.. just lvl both..

For Ex. in Neo Salvage, the sch starting w/ JA, SJ, Magic have "infinite MP" Sublimation, better output damage Accession EnSpell, better cure for most floors, Regen 5 w/ Perpetuance/Accession, and NErfed Embrava there, that help w/ haste and more regen.

In dynamis 2x Embrava in the run = 60-100 more coins than normal.
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By Valefor.Lisamarie 2013-03-08 13:17:01  
I second Aikchan; but also suggest doing BRD.
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By Thorbean 2013-03-08 13:42:21  
Asura.Aikchan said: »
For Ex. in Neo Salvage, the sch starting w/ JA, SJ, Magic have "infinite MP" Sublimation

You also need HP unlocked to benefit from sublimation, but you get refresh from unlocked sub to tide you over until then.

On topic, Sch/Rdm + DD is great for duo both inside and outside abby. 7.5 min phalanx + haste combined with powerful regen and very respectable cures, plus the ability to nuke makes it a very strong half of a duo. Perpetuanced buffs means you can focus on other stuff and saves you MP. Not that MP is ever an issue for SCH, inside or outside abby, with or without temps.
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By Lianua 2013-03-08 13:50:12  
Thanks for the input guys! I think I'm going to do some experimenting but am leaning WHM for the simplicity.
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By Asura.Aikchan 2013-03-08 18:33:36  
Thorbean said: »
Asura.Aikchan said: »
For Ex. in Neo Salvage, the sch starting w/ JA, SJ, Magic have "infinite MP" Sublimation

You also need HP unlocked to benefit from sublimation, but you get refresh from unlocked sub to tide you over until then.

you don't need HP for sublimation, just Stoneskin your self before use it.

But yea in the end you will end having the mule as WHM, SCH and BRD, probably even blm if want to farm seals for AF3
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-03-12 06:26:09  
Leviathan.Andret said: »
In a dual box situation you will want your 2nd character to be simple. The fewer the keys you need to press to perform a function the better. Because you have 2 characters to play, the more keys to need to press, the busier you will be.

Whm is best since you don't really have that many keys to press to do whm duties. They are also pretty good in situations with hate reset moves as Cure5/6 will generate minimal hate. You can also /blm and warp around. I find this utility extremely useful for trials and quests. You can also sub /rdm for simple refresh and convert. /Sch for when you need more AOE stuff.

Sch is 2nd best but you will have to press 1-2 extra keys here and there to cast a buffed up cure or buffs. They are really bad with hate reset moves as they will stack up a lot of hate with Cure3/4. However, in situations where you need minimal cure5/6 spam (like killing folder mobs) then they will probably work well for you. You are stuck with /rdm and you can't tele or warp with that. You can go with /whm or /blm but you generally will have to give up haste/tele (/blm) or warp (/whm).


Highlighted for importance. Since your talking strictly dual boxing go with WHM/SCH or if in abyssea WHM/BLM. Dual box characters primarily cure / na / haste spam while you actually play your main character. SCH main requires entirely too much attention to play well, unless your an experienced dualboxer with a full spellcast and macro setup, you'll end up playing it as a gimp WHM.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-03-12 06:28:59  
Asura.Aikchan said: »
WHM if you going to solo many things in abyssea, SCH if need it for outside aby, like salvage, dynamis. but in the end.. just lvl both..

For Ex. in Neo Salvage, the sch starting w/ JA, SJ, Magic have "infinite MP" Sublimation, better output damage Accession EnSpell, better cure for most floors, Regen 5 w/ Perpetuance/Accession, and NErfed Embrava there, that help w/ haste and more regen.

In dynamis 2x Embrava in the run = 60-100 more coins than normal.


Bad f*cking idea. Your DD's should be getting the starting JA unlock, it's far more important to them then it is to the SCH. JA unlocks weaponskills so they can use their high powered VS, Reso, MS, UF and so on. Monsters will simply melt. First sub should go the SCH so they can have haste / refresh / Dia II things.
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By Valefor.Esdain 2013-03-12 06:55:05  
This is off main question, but since you already have one BST, why not make a second? I love my two BSTs. Double the reward timers. Double the pet damage, pet tanking, and pet recall timers. It's pretty win. Also you could stay in dynamis for basically four hours a day that way (or double up for 2).
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By Ragnarok.Arcalimo 2013-03-12 07:19:09  
SCH requires much less atention than WHM to keep you alive in a dual box situation, 90% of time you don't need to throw a single cure, you just Perp+Regen V and forget about it for 4+ mins, the same aplies to Haste, you perp it and forget about it for 7+ mins. With that alone you aready have what WHM provides and once you are used to that you can even go further and give you enspells and phalanx and you will see that is not that hard, you'll get used to it.
With WHM you have to change windows more regulary to apply Hastes and throw cures every now and then.
I can't think of a situation right now where WHM is superior to SCH to keep just 1 or 2 persons alive, and in some situations like when phalanx comes into play, SCH is mileages ahead of WHM. So if it's just for 2-box or low man i'd go with SCH. All of that even without having embrava in the equation.

My mule has WHM, BRD and SCH as support jobs and i'd say i'm about 40% BRD, 50% SCH, 10% WHM.
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