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 Odin.Zelphes
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-04-28 05:40:45  
Asura.Hotsoups said: »
Don't have expansion yet!

Actually, I'd change phorcys salade to, Usukane Somen +1 and the phorcys schuhs to Karieyh sollerets.
Just remember that these targets are used as a reference to how sets perform outside of VW, thus atmacites can't be relied on.

They weren't included in calculation either.
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2013-04-28 06:50:07  
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Why would a Masa SAM be using RCB's on something like Ig? (Sorry to be a pain in the *** but hopefully the people with the different GK's know when to switch up stuff)
Remember, gear is situational given different scenarios. In no way am I'm saying that that's the gear/buffs/food which is optimal for any given situation.

But I'm posting these numbers to serve as a baseline (unbias'd hopefully) to show the trend-results (acc capped anyways) using these 5 GK's.

Using pizza instead of RCB was a notable DPS loss on Ig-Alima, so I'd suggest doing 2x marches/madrigals if you got a brd who can do 4x songs and/or rotate brds if you're able, or swap fighters for hunters roll if you fight a mob with these kinda stats.

Thanks for the responses and the bold bit is good to know :o!
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By Bahamut.Spiketaru 2013-05-01 13:33:24  
Eeeh, Ambuscade Ring for DA+1? That's all I can think of. Phorcys Mitts seem to be the best choice for hands.
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2013-05-01 13:35:15  
I'd probably go usukane gote+1 over phorcys every day of the week.

Edit: Also seeing a build with no usukane sune-ate+1 makes me sad =(
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By Bahamut.Spiketaru 2013-05-01 13:37:16  
Oooooops, I wasn't playing when Salvage II came out, so I blatantly ignored that. DA+3 on hands tastes good to me.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2013-05-01 13:50:04  
Rajas is better than that ring unless you want the 70 hp for defensive reasons.

Ragnarok.Daffel said: »
I'd probably go usukane gote+1 over phorcys every day of the week.
Unless you need the accuracy, I don't see why.
 
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2013-05-01 14:48:11  
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Rajas is better than that ring unless you want the 70 hp for defensive reasons.

Ragnarok.Daffel said: »
I'd probably go usukane gote+1 over phorcys every day of the week.
Unless you need the accuracy, I don't see why.

Suppose it all depends how evasive new stuff is, hardly had a chance to fight anything yet. (That set is rocking almost 100 acc already though, not including DEX :o) Suppose we will find out in time.
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By Ragnarok.Gunit 2013-05-01 18:49:41  
What does a good Accuracy set look like?
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ItemSet 278096
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2013-05-01 18:59:30  
would the new Honed Tathlum not be better or trying to maintain att where possible?
 
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2013-05-01 19:02:06  
yeah nvm thought was all jobs too much gear to process atm
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By Ragnarok.Gunit 2013-05-01 19:09:13  
Cerberus.Taint said: »
So Just don't 5hit?
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-01 19:23:26  
Ragnarok.Gunit said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
So Just don't 5hit?



Xhit doesn't matter if you can't hit.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-05-01 20:15:02  
Valefor.Angierus said: »
ItemSet 288319
How about some input from the SAM community on the future build around this GKT.
Plugged your set in versus a set I found more Mid/High level-friendly.

SET 1:
ItemSet 299369

Set 2:
ItemSet 299372

WS (used with both):
ItemSet 299373

Monster & Buffs DPS (Melee/WS)
Dynamis DC mob.RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/2xMarches/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's Roll Set 1: 1216,255 Set 2: 1224,297
Pil.RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/2xMarches/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's Roll Set 1: 915,207 Set 2: 925,345
Qilin.RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/2xMarches/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's Roll Set 1: 907,716 Set 2: 919,601
Ig-Alima.RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/2xMarches/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's Roll Set 1: 464,776 Set 2: 485,388
Ig-Alima.RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Aggressor/Berserk/Hasso/2xMarches/Madrigal/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's Roll Set 1: 523,498 Set 2: 525,961

Chaos Roll: 40% (11+DRK. Closer to 40.9% ATK, but rounded down)
Fighter's Roll: 20% (11+WAR)
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-05-01 20:23:22  
Zerk/Agg down:

Monster & Buffs DPS (Melee/WS)
Dynamis DC mob.RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/2xMarches/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's Roll Set 1: 1216,255 Set 2: 1224,297
Pil.RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/2xMarches/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's Roll Set 1: 898,368 Set 2: 898,319
Qilin.RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/2xMarches/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's Roll Set 1: 868,873 Set 2: 870,789
Ig-Alima.RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/2xMarches/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's Roll Set 1: 341,862 Set 2: 365,390
Ig-Alima.RCB/Boost-STR(450 skill)/Hasso/2xMarches/Madrigal/Haste/Chaos/Fighter's Roll Set 1: 412,029 Set 2: 423,099

Chaos Roll: 40% (11+DRK. Closer to 40.9% ATK, but rounded down)
Fighter's Roll: 20% (11+WAR)

Notes:

- Adding 1 or 2 Minuets, zerk/agg up or not had Set 2 winning across the board.

- Using Whirlpool greaves & Tenryu hakama +1 with Shoha on targets like Ig-Alima increased DPS by a fair amount with, or w/o 1 Madrigal song.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-05-01 20:41:46  
Aside from hybrid sets, I don't see Pya'ekue Belt +1 optimal for any SAM TP sets at all.

If someone can put together a set using it, that pulls ahead majority of the time, I'd love to see it. I weren't able atleast.

Most likely because we have access to so much haste gear now, that 10% isn't really needed.
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By Fenrir.Luckycharmss 2013-05-04 16:15:58  
Hi everyone i'm new to Sam and my question is why
Ganesha's Mala/Windbuffet > Elemental/Gorget-Belt?

or should i use Gorget/Windbuffet
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-04 16:21:20  
Fenrir.Luckycharmss said: »
Hi everyone i'm new to Sam and my question is why
Ganesha's Mala/Windbuffet > Elemental/Gorget-Belt?

or should i use Gorget/Windbuffet


Gane/Wind is best when ACC is capped for Shoha. 2 Chances for TA/QA to proc averages out to higher fTP gain then Elemental belt/neck.

If ACC isn't capped the elemental belts are better.
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By Fenrir.Luckycharmss 2013-05-04 16:23:05  
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Fenrir.Luckycharmss said: »
Hi everyone i'm new to Sam and my question is why
Ganesha's Mala/Windbuffet > Elemental/Gorget-Belt?

or should i use Gorget/Windbuffet


Gane/Wind is best when ACC is capped for Shoha. 2 Chances for QA to proc averages out to higher fTP gain then Elemental belt/neck.

If ACC isn't capped the elemental belts are better.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-06 14:39:09  
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If the augments are the same for every piece of gear as it is for weapons, the Mikinaak Gauntlets, augmented with type B (Acc+15 Atk+10 DEX+10) how would they hold up against Tenryu Tekko +1? or because I have tenryu would it be more beneficial to go type A (Atk +15 Acc +10 STR+10) and swap phorcys out on Shoha?


Hands are not worth the effort in any fashion.
 
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By Bahamut.Haymitch 2013-05-07 07:05:19  
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Okay then, so before I go and blow more points on some of the gear, I don't have Omodaka Sune-ate, would those feet be a better upgrade over Peacekeeper's Feet, idk what they're called off the top of my head.

Also how would the body hold up over Phorcys augmented with ATK.

I don't have Omodake Sune-ate either, but I was thinking the same if Mikinaak Greaves is better than Karieyh Sollerets. Let me show you the full augmented Mikinaak Greaves: DEF:37 STR+10 Accuracy+10 Attack+25 "Store TP"+5 Haste+4%

VS
Karieyh Sollerets: DEF:30 STR+11 DEX+11 VIT+11 Accuracy+10 Attack+10 "Store TP"+5

prolly, Miki. Greaves is better cuz of more atks on it if you r willing to upgrade it to the max. thoughts?
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-07 08:41:34  
Bahamut.Haymitch said: »
Valefor.Angierus said: »
Okay then, so before I go and blow more points on some of the gear, I don't have Omodaka Sune-ate, would those feet be a better upgrade over Peacekeeper's Feet, idk what they're called off the top of my head.

Also how would the body hold up over Phorcys augmented with ATK.

I don't have Omodake Sune-ate either, but I was thinking the same if Mikinaak Greaves is better than Karieyh Sollerets. Let me show you the full augmented Mikinaak Greaves: DEF:37 STR+10 Accuracy+10 Attack+25 "Store TP"+5 Haste+4%

VS
Karieyh Sollerets: DEF:30 STR+11 DEX+11 VIT+11 Accuracy+10 Attack+10 "Store TP"+5

prolly, Miki. Greaves is better cuz of more atks on it if you r willing to upgrade it to the max. thoughts?


For shoha no for Fudo/kaiten maybe.
Defintitely not worth it from a WS stabdpoint
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By Sylph.Shadida 2013-05-07 14:29:25  
For a 420 delay no STP GKT like the Ugui, any advice for keeping a 5 hit? Or just roll with a 6-hit?
 
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