You Spoony Guide! - A Troubadour's Libretto

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 Asura.Topace
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By Asura.Topace 2017-12-31 14:17:49  
Asura.Verbannt said: »
My suggestion is to do it in ule, reason being if you build amber lights you can stock up on sisyphus fragment(400k a pop) and usually 3 different people farming at same time, being on asura i can tell you, there will likely be more competition on sis than there will be for colorless souls, a second account or person, that can come in and send fragments to their delivery box then check the box to send more would be nice, took about 50 pops to get my horns.
Did have nin and run so always had red proc and had th7 from my thf
Either way gl

Do you have any specfic trust you use to cap lights for TE? My trust WS happy *** ruby quickly.
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By Leviathan.Brotherhood 2017-12-31 18:07:24  
Arciela Shantotto 2 Unity leader whm, Ulmia what I used never saw 1 Ruby, but takes a while with trust
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By Bismarck.Cloudstrafie 2018-01-10 22:59:06  
What is the current cap for bard songs?,Barring Clarion call thought songs lasted long back in the day with mythic,Coulda sworn i seen a vid someone had 16 min songs
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By Quizzy 2018-01-10 23:38:51  
Certain songs can be extra long. As a rule I only end up with like 11 minute songs.
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By Asura.Sechs 2018-01-11 03:00:42  
Some songs receive excess duration instead of potency from stuff like Soul Voice and Marcato.
It's the case for Mazurka or Scherzo, for instance.

Good luck overwriting a SV Scherzo with another song, have fun! xD
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By Asura.Chiaia 2018-01-11 04:13:58  
Hymnus, Mazurka & Scherzo are the 3 songs that get increased duration with SV or Marcuto so you can see 20+ minute songs if SV'd on them
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By Sylph.Funkworkz 2018-01-11 08:40:03  
All song potency is listed here: https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/BGWiki:SongPotency

If you scroll down to Mage's Ballad 1, you can see my plan was to eventually list the marcato/sv values if you hover over each tier. Have not gotten to that yet, so if anyone feels bored go ahead.

If you click an individual type of song, for instance Threnody, that page tells you what marcato/SV does for each song: https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Category:Threnody
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By cuddlyhamster 2018-01-12 14:41:01  
Question on recast for songs.
What is the cap on recast?
How does 'Song Recast -' gear work with gear haste/fast cast gear?
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By Asura.Inuyushi 2018-01-12 14:53:40  
cuddlyhamster said: »
Question on recast for songs.
What is the cap on recast?
How does 'Song Recast -' gear work with gear haste/fast cast gear?

Cap on fast cast and recast is 80%. Do note that 80% FC will only give you 40% recast due to Recast from FC being half of the FC value. You want to cap your gear Haste/Magic Haste to get capped recast.

The 'Song Recast -' gear works best because it's a straight deduction off the recast. So 'Song Recast -10' would be 10 seconds off of the recast. I don't know if that is calculated before or after the recast from FC and Gear Haste/Magical Haste.
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By cuddlyhamster 2018-01-12 15:37:29  
ok ty.
Recast gear goes into midcast sets right?
Just have to work on mixing in some song recast in with magic acc.
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By Asura.Sechs 2018-01-30 19:04:24  
Do we know if all the % values from song duration bonus stuff is exact?
I have a custom formula to calculate duration of lullaby which used to be flawless when I developed it originally.
Now I noticed there's like a ~3-4 seconds discrepancy*** between the values I get on screen and the moment monsters wake up in the log.

Since this has never been the case when I thoroughfully and carefully developed the duration formula either I *** up and changed something in my function some time ago and then forgot about it, or some of the new values (Brioso+3 feet for instance?) aren't exactly as shown.
If it were 14% instead of the displayed 15% for instance, it would probably make sense.
Nobody else having this issue?

The formula I'm using to calculate duration atm is:
full_duration = ((((duration.base * (duration.gear + duration.instrument))+duration.lullabyJP + duration.clarion) * duration.troubadour) + duration.marcato)

duration.base is the base duration of the song (30 seconds for tier1 lullabies, 60 seconds for tier 2)
duration.gear and duration.instrument is the sum of the duration bonus between these two. The 5% gift is added in this formula as well (I consider it gear duration)
I then add the static durations of JPs and clarioncall and then proceed to multiply for 1 if Troub is down, or 2 if it's up.
Last but not least I add the static value of Marcato bonus, which doesn't get multiplied by Troubadour.

I swear this formula has always worked flawlessly for me. The fact there is this discrepancy now means I probably *** up with something else, like the static values when I upgraded my gear with the new Omen stuff.

What's the max duration you guys can get, without special cooldowns?
I'm getting 202.4 seconds with Marsyas (no SV, no CC, no Troub, no Marcato) for tier 2 songs.


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Going by Battlemod timestamps this discrepancy seems to be ~3-4 with tier 2 lullabies, and ~2 with tier 1 lullabies.
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By Sylph.Reain 2018-01-30 19:39:46  
My timer is still accurate and your logic looks okay.

Did you adjust Inyanga Shalwar +2 to 17%?
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By Asura.Sechs 2018-01-31 01:30:00  
Oooooh yes, finally found the problem.
It was the 5% (0.05) value from Gifts.

I *** up and forgot to add it when I re-calculated the sum of values while adding up the Brioso+3 feet, pretty sure this is what happened.

Wtf, considering how long ago I updated my feet this value in my lua has been off for like, what, close to 1 year? Hahaha
I need to stop doing these things at 2:00 AM before going to bed >___>



On a side note, was it ever tested if Tenuto song duration bonus from Job Points works for debuffs?
I seem to recall I tested it myself and that it was giving duration+ only on the song effect I (the caster) received, but not on the song received by other party members.
Likewise it wasn't working on debuffs for the same reason.
I'm not so sure any longer though. Does anybody remember 100% if it works or not?
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By Asura.Sechs 2018-01-31 12:10:01  
Can anybody confirm these numbers are consistent with your calculations, given the "currently best" gear?
(Carn, Kali offhand, HQ neck, AF3+1 body, AF1+3 hands, Inyanga+2 legs, AF1+3 feet, Marsyas)

Troub+Marcato t2 = 424.8 seconds
Troub tier 2 = 404.8 seconds
tier2 = 202.4 seconds
tier1 = 111.2

Numbers without Kali offhand:
Troub+Marcato t2 = 418.8 seconds
Troub tier 2 = 398.8 seconds
tier2 = 199.4 seconds
tier1 = 109.7 seconds


Thanks!
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